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Old 05-15-2008, 11:33 PM   #1
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GM Building New GEN-5 V-8 in St. Catharines

General Motors of Canada has reaffirmed its commitment to bringing a new transmission line to St. Catharines as part of a tentative contract agreement struck early Thursday morning with the Canadian Auto Workers.

The company is expected to finalize its $300-million to $400-million plan to start making six-speed, rear-wheel drive transmissions at its Glendale Avenue plant by this fall, union president Buzz Hargrove said during a news conference Thursday.

Hargrove said it’s uncertain what, if any, new jobs the new line will bring to St. Catharines. In May 2007, GM announced it was poised to bring the transmission line to the city.

“There’s been a delay in the launch of it because of the uncertainty facing the industry and consumer preference changes that are there,” Hargrove said.

“They have assured us during the life of this agreement they’re going to launch the six-speed transmission in St. Catharines.”

As part of the tentative three-year contract agreement, GM has also committed to building new fuel-efficient Gen-5, V-8 engines in St. Catharines, Hargrove said.

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I hope more answers start to surface
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As far as when will it debut, no one knows but, I did find a document regarding future business and Delphi is going to be making many components for GEN 5. A chart showed they are going to start making the GEN 5 parts in 2011, but small in volume ramping up to several times that in 2012.


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Old 05-16-2008, 03:17 AM   #4
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That's awesome news!!! I have a very good feeling that my new 5th Gen Camaro is going to have a Gen V motor w/ 6spd trans. Oh, and I'll be easily getting over 30 mpgs!
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looks like 3whiterag will be able to keep his job for a while.
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Old 05-16-2008, 04:04 AM   #6
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looks like 3whiterag will be able to keep his job for a while.
Oh yeah...for a long while. If there's one thing I'm really stoked about besides the Camaro, it's the new engines GM is coming out with. I can't wait to see what they have up their sleeves!!
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Thanks guys! I'll have my 30 years by the end of August but with two boys away at school and a 14 year old girl, you're right, I will be working for a while. Ratification vote is today so I will have more details then. Got to see how this drug thing works. Thankfully I had the big "C" a few years ago. Could have been very expensive for me. I am back to normal now although some people I am sure, would disagree!
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The big "C" ? Castration? (if you can't poke fun at it now that you've licked it...grin)
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Production on the Camaro starts this October. It seems way too late to be starting to build a brand new engine in a car that starts production in a matter of months. Whatever it is I dont see how it could be for the Camaro.
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This engine probably won't be in camaro in beginning. The question is which engine will replace once when it comes? Will it maybe be a top engine? Or something below?
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The big "C" ? Castration? (if you can't poke fun at it now that you've licked it...grin)
You got that right! Castration would have been easier.
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Production on the Camaro starts this October. It seems way too late to be starting to build a brand new engine in a car that starts production in a matter of months. Whatever it is I dont see how it could be for the Camaro.
Not right away, I know a few of the engines and I would assume the 5 th. gen. will be later. To change the Plant from 4th. gen to 5th. gen is a major undertaking and will not happen over night!
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This engine probably won't be in camaro in beginning. The question is which engine will replace once when it comes? Will it maybe be a top engine? Or something below?
All of them. It it the Generation 5 V8 engines. Just like generation IV replaced all the Generation III's. It's a new engine design incorporating Direct Injection and some other goodies.
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Wow; this is pretty cool news. I'm eager to hear/read what the details of this engine are. It doesn't sound like it's going to make it into Camaro at launch, so I wonder what Father meant about forgetting what we know...

'Rag - I'm glad that you got the "C" taken care of. I've lost many family/friends to that horrible bug and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I just heard there is a guy who is a broadcast engineer who has actually developed a machine that can tune into certain C-cell frequencies that can actually destroy the cells by burning them up, with the help of Nano cells that are being developed. Regardless, I'm glad that has been corrected for you.

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Wow; this is pretty cool news. I'm eager to hear/read what the details of this engine are. It doesn't sound like it's going to make it into Camaro at launch, so I wonder what Father meant about forgetting what we know...

'Rag - I'm glad that you got the "C" taken care of. I've lost many family/friends to that horrible bug and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I just heard there is a guy who is a broadcast engineer who has actually developed a machine that can tune into certain C-cell frequencies that can actually destroy the cells by burning them up, with the help of Nano cells that are being developed. Regardless, I'm glad that has been corrected for you.

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I can't wait to see what they have cooked up. Direct Injection I'd say is 100% penciled in, but the rest.....ooohhh I love surprises. Now I have something to trade the Z/28 I'm buying next year in for. Happy happy joy joy.
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All of them. It it the Generation 5 V8 engines. Just like generation IV replaced all the Generation III's. It's a new engine design incorporating Direct Injection and some other goodies.
It won't replace all of them. V6 will still be here . Also according to rumors GM is developing new v6 with turbochargers and over 400 hp so this engine can also find its way in future camaro maybe.
And what if LS9 or LSA is in top model? I don't think that gen V will come with superchargers/turbochargers in first year of introduction. Yes later we will probably see gen V with DI, vvt and superchargers ..but i don't think that when Gen V comes it will immediately be used instead of LS9 or LSA engine .I know it will replace ls3 and l98 but i don't think it will replace lsa and ls9 ..not in beginning..and one of this engine might end up in top model.
There probably will be direct injection and VVT in future gen V. I'm not so sure about 3 valve heads like there was earlier rumors.
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You know what I meant. A v6 isn't a V8, silly!

The LS9 and LSA, are one of a kind engines. We won't be seeing that kind of Horsepower out of GM for a long time after those two; sad but true.

The new V8's are designed to produce similar to current V8's (excluding the LS9) power more efficiently. So, smaller displacement = same power with DI, and VVT, etc; but better mpg.
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You know what I meant. A v6 isn't a V8, silly!

The LS9 and LSA, are one of a kind engines. We won't be seeing that kind of Horsepower out of GM for a long time after those two; sad but true.

The new V8's are designed to produce similar to current V8's (excluding the LS9) power more efficiently. So, smaller displacement = same power with DI, and VVT, etc; but better mpg.
Well GM could use mild boost on gen V.Like bmw use on their V8 TT..you can say what you want but if rumors are correct and new V6 TT will have as much HP as it is rumored to have (around 430 hp for cadillac instead of v8) i don't see problem using that kind of engine also in camaro.
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Well GM could use mild boost on gen V.Like bmw use on their V8 TT..you can say what you want but if rumors are correct and new V6 TT will have as much HP as it is rumored to have (around 430 hp for cadillac instead of v8) i don't see problem using that kind of engine also in camaro.
You still need a V8 somewhere. But I agree, I like the sounds of that new V6 engine.
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You still need a V8 somewhere. But I agree, I like the sounds of that new V6 engine.
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I mean I am all ofr more power and effeciency, but If all I wanted was fuel efficiency and speed I would ride my motorcycle everywhere. V8 until I die!
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I mean I am all ofr more power and effeciency, but If all I wanted was fuel efficiency and speed I would ride my motorcycle everywhere. V8 until I die!
Well . . . there is at least one custom bike shop, possibly more, that make V8 powered motorcycles. Best of both worlds for ya!
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does anyone else hope that with the gen V engines the push-rod will be dead? i'm hoping that an OHC or DOHC engine with 4vpc comes out so we can have better breathing... i doubt the CTS engine would be able to hit it's hp number with out the 4vpc set up...
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does anyone else hope that with the gen V engines the push-rod will be dead? i'm hoping that an OHC or DOHC engine with 4vpc comes out so we can have better breathing... i doubt the CTS engine would be able to hit it's hp number with out the 4vpc set up...
i respectfully disagree. The power curve of a pushrod is better. they are simplier and therefore cheaper to repair/upgrade. The engine weighs less and takes up a smaller space. The ZR1 from the early 90's had an aluminum DOHC engine. it weighed as much as the standard iron block engine. I've also heard that some fuel economy tricks work much better with pushrods than with ohc/dohc.

The most direct comparisson of DOHC vs OHC engines I can think of is the LS3 vs the V8 for the new M3. Both are released within a year of each other and have a similar power output. The LS3 makes 16 more hp, but it makes 125 ft lbs more torque, weighs ~20 lbs less, and should give a couple mpg better fuel economy for a similar car. It has a lower redline which should reduce wear. Fewer parts to break. Near as I can tell, the LS3 is superior in almost every real way. Unless you want to talk about hp/L or number of valves, but those things don't seem to help the dohc make enough power to beat the good 'ole pushrod.
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