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Old 12-02-2009, 01:49 PM   #1
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21CMC Camaro 667 RWHP 629 RWTQ pump gas

Just finished tuning another TVS 2300 Cyber Gray 2010 2SS Camaro
Stock internal LS3/stock heads
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LT Headers w. Cats
Borla Exhaust
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Custom Fuel System
8.9 PSI
93 Octane Pump Gas

Over 600 RWTQ at 2500 RPMs!!

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Old 12-02-2009, 01:58 PM   #2
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Wow, nice numbers!!
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:59 PM   #3
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Love that torque curve
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:03 PM   #4
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Wow, nice numbers!!
Yes,
look how it compares under the curve to the Pro Charger,
especially the TORQUE!

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Old 12-02-2009, 02:47 PM   #5
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Yes,
look how it compares under the curve to the Pro Charger,
especially the TORQUE!

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Now John....you know these heat soakers are only good for heavy trucks. They don't belong on sports cars. You're supposed to pro charge them and wait for 4000 rpm to see any power increase. You, of all people, should know this.

Good job. Bet the owner is one happy camper.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:10 PM   #6
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Now John....you know these heat soakers are only good for heavy trucks. They don't belong on sports cars.
You are mean man... I'm gonne tell D***
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:19 PM   #7
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Just finished tuning another TVS 2300 Cyber Gray 2010 2SS Camaro
Stock internal LS3/stock heads
21CMC Blower Camshaft
LT Headers w. Cats
Borla Exhaust
Roto-Fab CAI
Smaller Pulley
Custom Fuel System
8.9 PSI
93 Octane Pump Gas

Over 600 RWTQ at 2500 RPMs!!

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John, in your professional opinion, don't you think over 600RWTQ is too much load on the stock rods and/or pistons at such a low RPM?
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:34 PM   #8
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Very nice #s.......gotta love that torque curve!!!

What, a Custom Fuel System? What did ya do to upgrade the fuel system?

Great job!!!
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Old 12-02-2009, 05:37 PM   #9
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John, in your professional opinion, don't you think over 600RWTQ is too much load on the stock rods and/or pistons at such a low RPM?
Just becuz you have it available at such a low rpm doesn't mean you have to use all of it. If you want to do some serious a$$ hauling, you're going to downshift. What makes these TVS units so sweet, is the power increase down low where you do 99% of your driving. A few psi of boost in around town driving is sweet. Full boost at low rpm isn't advisable, but a little boost in your day to day driving is all good. It's like have 650 cubic inches of displacement at your disposal, but not having to pay the price unless you use it.
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Old 12-02-2009, 05:51 PM   #10
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Just becuz you have it available at such a low rpm doesn't mean you have to use all of it. If you want to do some serious a$$ hauling, you're going to downshift. What makes these TVS units so sweet, is the power increase down low where you do 99% of your driving. A few psi of boost in around town driving is sweet. Full boost at low rpm isn't advisable, but a little boost in your day to day driving is all good. It's like have 650 cubic inches of displacement at your disposal, but not having to pay the price unless you use it.
I agree 100% of having low end TQ, no doubt about it to get up and go. My main point (if you noticed) I was pointing at high boost in low RPM, where $hit hits the fan
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Old 12-02-2009, 06:58 PM   #11
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I agree 100% of having low end TQ, no doubt about it to get up and go. My main point (if you noticed) I was pointing at high boost in low RPM, where $hit hits the fan
Most folks that ask that question are usually trying to turn a positive into a negative. Their f/i system of choice can't make the power quickly so, in their mind, boost at a low rpm can't be good. Not at all saying that your post is leading in that direction. I agree that full boost at 2500 rpm is not a good program. It's just that full boost at low rpm isn't necessary. You won't have it with an auto tranny (it will downshift and rpm will go up as soon as you hit the go pedal), and you shouldn't use it with a manual gear box.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:53 AM   #12
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So you guys did this with no head work? What would happen with a little head massage. Give us a price if we just drop off our car and you guys handle it.
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Old 12-03-2009, 09:43 AM   #13
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Old 12-03-2009, 12:15 PM   #14
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John, in your professional opinion, don't you think over 600RWTQ is too much load on the stock rods and/or pistons at such a low RPM?
We have done quite a few 600+ rwhp forced induction cars over the past 8 1/2 years, including several LS6 stock bottom end cars that are still living.

I usually suggest at least getting forged pistons and/or lowering the compression for the larger psi boosted cars on anything over 550-ish
RWHP although the tuning, fuel system, octane, temps and how hard the car is beat on make more difference in how the engine handles the power than the actual power # itself.

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Old 12-03-2009, 12:22 PM   #15
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So you guys did this with no head work? What would happen with a little head massage. Give us a price if we just drop off our car and you guys handle it.
Head work would make some difference in this application but the stock heads flow in the 330s cfm out of the box.

Give me a call at your convenience and we can go over the options and pricing

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you said smaller pulley, what size are you using John?
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Old 12-04-2009, 01:39 PM   #17
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you said smaller pulley, what size are you using John?
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Damn Nice setup.

Please post up pricing info in the vendors furom I'm sure we'd like to see what it costs.

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Old 12-20-2009, 02:06 PM   #19
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Damn Nice setup.

Please post up pricing info in the vendors furom I'm sure we'd like to see what it costs.

Thanks, we will have pricing and more info on our almost finished new website

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Old 12-20-2009, 02:18 PM   #20
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So you guys did this with no head work? What would happen with a little head massage. Give us a price if we just drop off our car and you guys handle it.
Don't think heads would make much difference in this case but
667 on a stock LS3 on pump gas and without Nitrous isn't bad IMO
We also made 680s on race gas on this same Camaro but just posted the 93 octane numbers.

We are going to add a shot of Nitrous and some Race Gas to it and see how much power we can make on this stock LS3 with a TVS 2300.



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Old 12-21-2009, 09:57 AM   #21
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Looks Good John!! I wonder what a 427 and 2x the boost would do!!
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Old 12-21-2009, 10:01 AM   #22
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Looks Good John!! I wonder what a 427 and 2x the boost would do!!
My Guess would be North of 910

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