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Old 09-10-2009, 08:32 PM   #171
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Not meaning to offend anyone, but if you can't back up your car without a constant "extra set of eyes" then somethings wrong....JMHO...


Would YOU be able to see a small child behind your car as you are backing up if the child wasn't there already when you first got in your car????...

We actually ordered our own back-up sensors to be installed just for that very reason...not trying to give you a hard time, just want you to realize that GM is not coming out with these just because they think some people don't know how to drive...

It's a safety issue...what if that's YOUR child that darts out behind someone ELSE'S Camaro and that Camaro runs your child over because the back of the car was taller than a small child and that child was not able to be seen by the driver????...

Don't automatically judge people that want to drive their cars as safely and happily as possible....
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:35 PM   #172
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From what I've read, some folks on the Forum seem to try and project the really hard core pure muscle car enthusiast image . Some seem to oppose a safety advancement that came about undoubtedly through multiple tragic life altering results. I wonder if those ugly 5 point seat belt requirements you see in Drag races at the Saturday night track events are only for the guys that can't seem to keep their car from crashing into the guard rails.... We all know that a real driver wouldn't be caught dead with them in his ride.... Maybe we should remove those ugly airbags or those wretched 3 point seat belts in the rear seat and allow family and friends to experience true kinetic energy in a head on collision. I can understand the cosmetic disdain of some folks concerning the beautiful lines of the Camaro but to argue against a possible life saving advancement is like trying to argue to let the kids sit in the back bed of pickup trucks while driving down the interstate.
AMEN TO THAT!!!...
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:36 PM   #173
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:37 PM   #174
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Making a big deal about nothing, again.....

I think it's great they're adding features already, especially considering the poor visibility.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:42 PM   #175
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Well I'm glad I got my car before they started putting them on. I don't think they look all that bad but they are somehing else to wax around. Wouldn't have stopped me from getting the car though. As far as something that looks bad, I could do without that stupid looking antenna on the roof.
I think most who have driven a new camaro would have to agree that visibility is less than ideal. Visibility out the back of a lot of vehicles is not good. That's why when you put it in reverse you back up very slowly and carefully, not put it in R and hit the gas. JMHO
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:42 PM   #176
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Wait until your neighbors 3 year old peddles behind you while you're backing out of the driveway!
EXACTLY MY POINT!!!...
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:43 PM   #177
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Somewhere in America or Canada there will be a child riding their tricycle or Big Wheel on the driveway. A parent will back-up, run over and kill their child. It may happen today, tomorrow, next week, but it WILL happen and it has happened in the past.
Ask the parent of that child how they feel about back-up sensors that spoiled the look of your bumper. Oh, you could always tell yourself or that parent "I`m carefull and always look behind my car before backing-up" and yes you probably are that safe but so was the parent of that child.
It`s your choice, a blemish on your bumper or a possibly dead child on your conscience.
I can live with the blemish but never the child`s death.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:46 PM   #178
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Scotty where are you getting that info from?
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:48 PM   #179
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So that`s your simple answer "parenting" Let me tell you a true story about parenting, I had a friend who had just that morning lectured her daughter about leaving her toys in the driveway that morning, after lunch she asked Lexie if she had she had put her toys away, "yes mommy" then when her mother went into the kitchen Lexie remembered her Polly Pockets she left in the front yard, opened the door, ran across the driveway just as her father was backing out of garage, knocked her down and drove over her, he was lucky, he drove his Silverado with plenty of ground clearence. It scared the crap out of him after he backed up and saw his daughter laying in the driveway with nothing more than a bruise and a small cut.
All of this happened in less than 30 seconds, you can lecture your kids until your blue in the face and watch them like a hawk but it only takes 30 seconds for something to go terribly wrong and it has nothing to do with whether your a good parent or a bad parent.
So if this point annoys you then tuff, better you`re annoyed than a kid dies or gets hurt.

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Old 09-10-2009, 08:51 PM   #180
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You do realize that you can back up really slowly or toot your horn when reversing and this would accomplish the same results by alerting the child to your vehicle and allowing them the opportunity to avoid laying low to the ground enough to fit under your rear bumper directly in your path...

So, if you weren't in such a darn RUSH to back up like a maniac, you wouldn't kill any extra children and have this on your conscience!
and there are no DEAF children in the world, or autistic children or pre-occupied children, right???...
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:54 PM   #181
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Okay Okay let's not turn this into a parenting argument..I have kids but thats not why I like them on my other cars that have them I like the beep beep beep until a solid tone...cuz i can back in very close to stuff without hitting anything
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:58 PM   #182
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I don't mind them I just want my car...
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:05 PM   #183
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:09 PM   #184
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they dont want ten grand for the addition. they want ten grand because they say its "fair market value."
i could walk in to any dealer here in rochester and get one for msrp or like 2 k over just wish i had the money
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:18 PM   #185
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Okay Okay let's not turn this into a parenting argument..I have kids but thats not why I like them on my other cars that have them I like the beep beep beep until a solid tone...cuz i can back in very close to stuff without hitting anything
I just like the beeping haha, i'm easily amused.... DON'T JUDGE ME!!!
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:22 PM   #186
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Yes, please.

Mine will have them.

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Old 09-10-2009, 09:22 PM   #187
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and there are no DEAF children in the world, or autistic children or pre-occupied children, right???...
Probably, but what are the chances that any of them are less than 9 inches tall? That's how low to the ground this car is.

We're NOT talking about a pickup or a bus here... this is a very low car. If you hit a kid on a "big wheel" as some keep suggesting do you know what will happen? You're going to push them out of the way.

You have just as much an opportunity to have a kid crawl UNDER the car before you even get in, and get eaten up by the driveshaft or crushed by the wheels when you move in EITHER direction (that darn FLOOR is a HUGE blindspot).

Where's the manufactured outrage over lack of under-body radar child detection systems?
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