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Old 09-10-2009, 04:05 PM   #101
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I find it a bit ironic that this will do more to distinguish early build cars than the R6P code, which folks go on and on about
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:05 PM   #102
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$10,000 OVER MSRP!!! Whaaaat! That's outrageous, no that's downright criminal. I have a suggestion to anyone in that area. Fly out to Michigan, buy your Camaro for MSRP or 1%-1.5% under. Arrange to have the Camaro shipped home and fly back home. Then go on a vacation with your wife to Hawaii for 2 weeks with the $6000-$7000 that you saved.

As for the back up sensor dots...no big deal to me. In fact, I may just get my dots chromed (just kidding). But it is interesting to note all the negative comments, while no one objected to the STINKIN, BUTT UGLY dealer's decal glued on the bumper. Holy #@*$! I refused delivery on my CTS when the Caddy dealership did that.

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That sticker on the back is uglier than the 'dots' IMO.

And frankly, it's just stupid to pay that much over MSRP.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:07 PM   #103
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I find it a bit ironic that this will do more to distinguish early build cars than the R6P code, which folks go on and on about
No, the "chicklets" will.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:08 PM   #104
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Forgot about the chicklets! You're right about those, as well.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:12 PM   #105
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Making a big deal about nothing, again.....

I think it's great they're adding features already, especially considering the poor visibility.
I agree. I rented a SS over the Labor day weekend from Avis and I must say visibility is poor and I wouldnt want to wreck my bumper. I'm a great driver and all but when I finally get my beautiful 2010 SS, its one of those just in case deals.

Besides, I'm sure with the outcry that this has caused, GM might make it an option in all the models instead of standard. Nothings set in stone and with GM, things are always changing. Just my $0.02
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:13 PM   #106
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hey guys, we all hate bundling of options. I think that's the root cause of the uproar. Maybe we should just petition GM to allow an a la carte selection of options. So if you want leather, get leather. If you want Bluetooth, get bluetooth. If you want the USB port, get the USB port. If you want the back up sensor, get the back up sensors.

They bundle all these options up in order to rake in more profit. Profit is one thing, but I think they're bundling too much. You HAVE to get leather heated seats in the SS if you want Bluetooth. That makes little sense, except profit margin sense.

So I agree with most of you that this should be included as a stand alone option. But the only way to get it now is bundled with other options including the 2SS/2LT and C&C packages. Lets not nit pick whether or not 2SS is a different car from 1SS. They have the same performance specs and widened front fascia. They're the same car, with the same badges, just with different options.

They should just offer 1SS buyers the opportunity to purchase Leather OR bluetooth OR park assist if they want. I can understand if you want it all bundled together if you want it all and it saves you a couple bucks, but what is the gosh darn harm in offering un-bundled options?

? ..... You couldn't afford the car if the options weren't bundled.... It's like that for most products, always a better value for the consumer when it's a package deal....
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:29 PM   #107
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We should be happy that GM was listening to the customers who said they wished they had back up sensors. Be careful what you wish for. Does it look great, no but it doesn't look anymore out of place than what we see on other vehicles that have the same feature.
If they would have done it right the first time it might have been hard for GM to come up with a compelling reason for customers to trade up on a later year Camaro. You just know that we will have a back up camera and HUD in the 2011 Camaro. Although I think it should be an option and not part of the 2ss or 2lt package it is what it is. Take a 67-68 Camaro for instance...great car but it really wasn't perfected until the 69 model ( i love them all equally by the way ). Perfection takes time and I just get tired of the GM bashing that goes on by some media outlets so i get a little defensive when it goes on inside of our own forum.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:30 PM   #108
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No, the "chicklets" will.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:31 PM   #109
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boo :( it looks ugly but I can live with it

does it just beep inside the car when you get to close to something?
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hey guys, we all hate bundling of options. I think that's the root cause of the uproar. Maybe we should just petition GM to allow an a la carte selection of options. So if you want leather, get leather. If you want Bluetooth, get bluetooth. If you want the USB port, get the USB port. If you want the back up sensor, get the back up sensors.

They bundle all these options up in order to rake in more profit. Profit is one thing, but I think they're bundling too much. You HAVE to get leather heated seats in the SS if you want Bluetooth. That makes little sense, except profit margin sense.

So I agree with most of you that this should be included as a stand alone option. But the only way to get it now is bundled with other options including the 2SS/2LT and C&C packages. Lets not nit pick whether or not 2SS is a different car from 1SS. They have the same performance specs and widened front fascia. They're the same car, with the same badges, just with different options.

They should just offer 1SS buyers the opportunity to purchase Leather OR bluetooth OR park assist if they want. I can understand if you want it all bundled together if you want it all and it saves you a couple bucks, but what is the gosh darn harm in offering un-bundled options?
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? ..... You couldn't afford the car if the options weren't bundled.... It's like that for most products, always a better value for the consumer when it's a package deal....
I totally agree with Slingshot. Also, imagine you have all these people wanting to order their camaro ala carte. That would be chaos. People would be getting wrong orders all the time and orders would take twice as long to fill.

Not to mention all the different parts that would have to be available for the car. For example, if you wanted option1 that shared the same panel with option2, then you would have to have a different panel with a option2 delete and vice versa for other people that want it the other way.

And its not like the sensors are a curse or a bad thing, its to HELP YOU avoid damaging your beautiful 2010 Camaro. So isnt that a positive thing?
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:34 PM   #111
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I'd like to know if the car in the OP had the chicklets.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:35 PM   #112
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Happy mine didn't have those! Looks like they belong on a Mini Van. To each their own
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:35 PM   #113
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:38 PM   #114
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I totally agree with Slingshot. Also, imagine you have all these people wanting to order their camaro ala carte. That would be chaos. People would be getting wrong orders all the time and orders would take twice as long to fill.

Yes, except the price of the car has been slowly creeping up. Price hike on IOM paint, price hike on shipping, price hike on this - is there going to be a price hike when HUD comes in as well?

I don't mind the added options but I suspect the price will continue to increase as a result.
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They don't seem like a huge deal to me.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:43 PM   #116
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No kidding. 4200+ posts and a member for a year and a half? I'm pretty sure Xanthos is addicted to this car, with or without the parking assist.

yea me too..this doesn't change my mind..I'll deal with it..just something else to have to wax around
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Yes, except the price of the car has been slowly creeping up. Price hike on IOM paint, price hike on shipping, price hike on this - is there going to be a price hike when HUD comes in as well?

I don't mind the added options but I suspect the price will continue to increase as a result.
of course it will
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:46 PM   #117
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of course it will
Well so much for trying to keep the car competitively priced then huh?
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Well so much for trying to keep the car competitively priced then huh?

nah..more options for the 2011 MY on the camaro equals more options on 2011 Mustang etc, it will all grow together IMO
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:50 PM   #119
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I think they will look even more subtle in real life
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some high dollar sports cars have them...i see no problem with them on certain trim level camaros
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nah..more options for the 2011 MY on the camaro equals more options on 2011 Mustang etc, it will all grow together IMO
Right well you were just a puppy when the 4th gens were out - they were clearly more expensive than the competition and it's price points contributed to poor sales. You don't get conquered sales (new customers) by jacking prices and then justifying the price hike from all the "scope creep".
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Old 09-10-2009, 05:03 PM   #123
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Solution to this visibility problem, Convertibles, enough said
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Thats the lowest common denominator. And this argument annoys me to no end. By this logic, we shouldn't drive cars. Too many people get killed by the things. The answer is simple. Parenting. If you choose to breed, you have the responsible to look after YOUR kid. Your neighbor doesn't have the responsibility to monitor that kid ALL the time. Which is in effect what this argument is.

As for the option itself, I could take it or leave it. It would be nice if it were a deletable option (and still maintaining every other option the 2LT/2SS has). But, c'est la vie.
So that`s your simple answer "parenting" Let me tell you a true story about parenting, I had a friend who had just that morning lectured her daughter about leaving her toys in the driveway that morning, after lunch she asked Lexie if she had she had put her toys away, "yes mommy" then when her mother went into the kitchen Lexie remembered her Polly Pockets she left in the front yard, opened the door, ran across the driveway just as her father was backing out of garage, knocked her down and drove over her, he was lucky, he drove his Silverado with plenty of ground clearence. It scared the crap out of him after he backed up and saw his daughter laying in the driveway with nothing more than a bruise and a small cut.
All of this happened in less than 30 seconds, you can lecture your kids until your blue in the face and watch them like a hawk but it only takes 30 seconds for something to go terribly wrong and it has nothing to do with whether your a good parent or a bad parent.
So if this point annoys you then tuff, better you`re annoyed than a kid dies or gets hurt.
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