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Old 05-22-2008, 05:04 PM   #51
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another thing to look at on the t/b is the fact that there is no linkage to it. fly by wire. while its cool, i want my cable damnit.

and yes, hood struts. thank you gm for keeping them.
It just seems like it would be more likely to fail IMO , not that it will though! You know I don't think i've ever had a Camaro without the hood struts.

That bay is looking good though!
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:05 PM   #52
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:12 PM   #53
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(My comment on the Toyota Camry is this, the engine was obviously made for function and pure savings. The Camaro's engine is looking like it's more about savings and function ..and I feel it just needs some loving in the "cool, wow, got to have it" factor (speaking about the engine bay only).
I respect your opinion but, if one wants to dress up the engine there will be countless aftermarket parts they can get. I think it's best to keep the bottom line price as cheap as possible. Then you can customize it with aftermarket parts to your liking.
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:23 PM   #54
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um, i am alone in my thought on this, but to be honest that engine doesn't look like anything special to me. Forget what the engine can do, but if we are just discussing that engines looks... I'd really like to see a really nicely polished set of air intake tubes, some polished aluminum and/or carbon fiber parts (instead of cheap plastic) and some colored tubing rather than the standard and usual black hoses.



Okay...bring it on, I can take all the criticism from you guys!!!

thats just it. this is not the "special" motor. its the base motor. its capabilities will speak for themselves, but the looks of the motor....90% of the people who will be getting this motor wont care what it looks like. as for the polished/aluminum/cf parts, thats what the aftermarket is for. how many cars came out stock, designed from the factory, with basically a custom engine bay setup? and ferrari and lambo (exotics) dont count unless you can name enough of your friends who own one on one hand.

and if you were to do colored hoses/lines out the door from the factory, that would add to the price of the vehicle, say you want a black camaro with red hoses, or a red camaro with yellow hoses, to be able to get all that, you are going to have to spend a lot more producing all the little "excess things" that make the aftermarket what it is.

just buy your camaro and wait a few months for the aftermarket to catch up or fab something up yourself.
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:25 PM   #55
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Look how far back the engine sits in the bay, in relation to the strut arm supports....This car is going to be SO well balance...thats awesome

Thats such a good point also I feel like the camaro will be a bit lighter than the G8 so 3650 should be an obtainable weight.
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:28 PM   #56
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:37 PM   #57
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It just seems like it would be more likely to fail IMO , not that it will though! You know I don't think i've ever had a Camaro without the hood struts.

That bay is looking good though!

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Old 05-22-2008, 05:38 PM   #58
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I want to see the V8 dammit.
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:42 PM   #59
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It is HUGE look at the gap between the radiator cowl and the front of the engine...
Also notice that the plastic engine cover is half missing.
Also notice how much accesss is available to install plumbing for Super chargers...
Finally, notice how the ABS system is on the passenger firewall as opposed to the front support bracket.... someone finally realize that too much tubing, and proximity to accidents is a cost factor....
Struts....starting to realize why the handling looked so poor on the "Ring" Looks like braces and towers are going to be the cure for up level mods, meaning they might just be thinking its a good idea to allow consumers to easily mod this car aftermarket... contrary to every other GM vehicle, save the Cobalt....

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engine bay is designed differently, radiator not laid back as it was in 4th gens
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s/c v-6...good possibility
ABS block needs to be moved off the car....lol no, but it does take up a lot of space and weighs a lot (15 lbs in the 4th gens), would be better if it was routed elsewhere, but oh well.
braces, sfcs will help any car. but depending on the way this zeta frame handles, we might not need them.
as far as the easy to mod, a lot of gm vehicles are easy to mod with aftermarket. what other vehicles have you had trouble with?



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Look how far back the engine sits in the bay, in relation to the strut arm supports....This car is going to be SO well balance...thats awesome
well, the reason it looks like it is sitting so far back is cus its missing 2 full cylinders on the front. lol look at the 4th gen motors and how far under the dash they were. then compare a 4th gen v-8 engine bay to a 4th gen v-6, a lot of difference without those two extra cyl and different accessories

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It just seems like it would be more likely to fail IMO , not that it will though! You know I don't think i've ever had a Camaro without the hood struts.

That bay is looking good though!

the fly by wire is a great system...to an extent. while it give the computer more acurate readings from how far the t/b is actually open (seeing as how it is opening it). i would really hate for the motor in the t/b to fail at the wrong time. for me its just too much computer.
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:50 PM   #60
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Interesting how big the air intake and air filter box is. This must be some sort of MONSTER V6.

I wonder why it only has 1 telescoping rod for holding the hood up? Hood must be composite or fiberglass instead of steel... but I'd still like two for symmetry.
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I hope these spy pics also mean that we'll get the hood cowl for the V6 model too.
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Old 05-22-2008, 06:12 PM   #62
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I disagree that at the track that was a V6, I have a fairly decent speaker system on my comp and there is no doubt in my mind it was a V8. I listened to it on a friends comp with the stock speakers and sounded crappy like everybody said. I think the car was traveling a lot faster than most people think, anybody watch Nascar or other racing?. Ignoring the time he let the Porsche pass.

Anyway, this car is going to be a best seller. I just cant wait for my V8 to show up, I'll have patience and faith til then.
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Old 05-22-2008, 06:16 PM   #63
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Old 05-22-2008, 06:32 PM   #64
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Interesting how big the air intake and air filter box is. This must be some sort of MONSTER V6.

I wonder why it only has 1 telescoping rod for holding the hood up? Hood must be composite or fiberglass instead of steel... but I'd still like two for symmetry.


wow... just noticed the single hood strut. long ol sucker aint it.


i would imagine the hood is composite.

as for the air filter box, thats how a lot of cars are anymore. looks almost like the intake tract on the gto. or the mustang, or the charger, or any other number of decently powered vehicles. it still looks restrictive as crap. ill be swapping that out for either an LT1 style CAI or a vette style ram air setup coming right up under the car.
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Old 05-22-2008, 06:34 PM   #65
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You just compared the newest flagship American sportscar (Vette) and 3 highly modified Imports (Porsche!!! a BMW Z-car, and a MKIV Supra?) to the preproductions of the entry level $19k Camaro?

Sorry, but your post means nothing to me with that comparison.
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I am sure anyone can even make a honda civic's engine LOOK like sparkling s--- with a lil work. Here is my concern...I don't give a damn what the thing looks like under the hood (of course a lil touch up is nice)...but as long as it has that legendary camaro crunch, then that is all that matters..period
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it looks identical to the DI but is there a difference on the appearance of the 3.6 and the DI?
i want to know where the v8 motor shots are at???!!!
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So, in the germany vid alot of folks were saying that the car with the small wheel/tires was still a V-8 because of the exaust sound. I wonder if them folks were fooled by a V-6. Interesting.
Need to take a closer look at the vid. That guy in the background sure looks German to me. So the 6 got some track time too I'm guessing, that's great.

That VIN or whatever tape looks familiar from other pics. Is this the car you guys drove at the proving grounds?
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I hope what I see isn't the case. I do hope that both side windows go down like on a real hardtop. We know that the convertible they have to, but I sure hope they do on the coupe too, it isn't a 2 dr hardtop in my thinking if not.
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man that looks clean under there but what I'm happy about is the fact that the v6 camaro will have 300 hp that is moor than the mustang GT and the challenger R/T how cool is that
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I can't believe none of you noticed the embossed under the hood on the insulator like on the 'Vette! That's awesome, however I guess that means the old Camaro red,white and blue with the bowtie on the bottom symbol is gone.

But I love the Bowtie anyway!!
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I hope what I see isn't the case. I do hope that both side windows go down like on a real hardtop. We know that the convertible they have to, but I sure hope they do on the coupe too, it isn't a 2 dr hardtop in my thinking if not.
The way it looks, the 1/4 windows are going to be solid mounted. The convert. will likely be cloth in that area.
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I just really hope the Z28 (or SS) has a bit more,... well,... something. That seems awfully plain for some reason. The sharkfins aren't even cut out,... the wheels-n-tires seem out of place,...

Flame me if you want, but I'm almost saying "yuk".

Maybe I'm jumping the gun or a couple sheets to the wind,... but if the Camaro full-out-production looks like that,... I might go Challenger.

Also,.. WTH is the point of the scoop up front if the airbox is off to the right? I seriously hope the higher end model has forced air (like the late WS6).
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Once again, this is a base model and is in an unfinished form.
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Once again, I don't like how it looks at all.

I simply stated I hope the higher end models look better.
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Once again, I don't like how it looks at all.

I simply stated I hope the higher end models look better.
Good things happen to those who wait. I however LOVE this model
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