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Old 05-23-2008, 11:17 AM   #101
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The Camaro V6 should come in under 3600lbs. And it'll have a 6-speed, too.
Let's say the Challenger will lose a hundred pounds thanks to a smaller engine

The numbers tell the case: Challenger's Power to weight ratio is: 10.8
Camaro's would be 11.8. The Challenger is faster, but it's not "more than enough" to kick the DI V6's ass. Think back to G8/Challenger SRT8. (G8 = 11.08; SRT8 = 9.64), yet the G8 kept right on it's tail. Scary.


As it stands;
300hp V6, 400hp V8, and 500+hp V8. With a high probability of a 260hp T4.
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you mean the charger lol guess it dont make a diffrence, but I still think it as an edge aganist the DI camaro5, v6 six-speed manual..........facts
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:25 AM   #102
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The Camaro V6 should come in under 3600lbs. And it'll have a 6-speed, too.
Let's say the Challenger will lose a hundred pounds thanks to a smaller engine

The numbers tell the case: Challenger's Power to weight ratio is: 10.8
Camaro's would be 11.8. The Challenger is faster, but it's not "more than enough" to kick the DI V6's ass. Think back to G8/Challenger SRT8. (G8 = 11.08; SRT8 = 9.64), yet the G8 kept right on it's tail. Scary.


As it stands;
300hp V6, 400hp V8, and 500+hp V8. With a high probability of a 260hp T4.
Any questions?
Something of note to add to this:

The 2.0L turbo is currently rated at 260HP, however there is good information that GM is talking about or planning a 300HP version of said engine. It was mentioned for the Targa Solstice GXP model. It has been known for a while that GM left some HP on the table when they did the 2.0L
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:27 AM   #103
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i dont think so. look at the wheel of the red car. half of it is in the wheel well. an older car maybe?

edit: heck, i may be wrong too. the rest of the tire is probably cut of by the crease in the door panel?
who knows.
After looking super close, I've come to the conclusion that, that is a challenger sitting next to our beloved Camaro, i think. Also, why is there a Dodge Caliber next to it on the other side?? Are they comparing performace stats between the three?? j/k
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:29 AM   #104
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Something of note to add to this:

The 2.0L turbo is currently rated at 260HP, however there is good information that GM is talking about or planning a 300HP version of said engine. It was mentioned for the Targa Solstice GXP model. It has been known for a while that GM left some HP on the table when they did the 2.0L
what are you saying, its between the DI V6 and the T4
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:40 AM   #105
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After looking super close, I've come to the conclusion that, that is a challenger sitting next to our beloved Camaro, i think. Also, why is there a Dodge Caliber next to it on the other side?? Are they comparing performace stats between the three?? j/k
that is a challenger, eww thats a low blow
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:58 AM   #106
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what are you saying, its between the DI V6 and the T4
Not saying anything. The talk is about the 2.0L turbo going into the Solstice targa GXP. I imagine that is because they don't want to try and fit a V6 into it. However it does become important when we are talking about that engine going into the Camaro because it means that it could be more than 260HP.
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Not saying anything. The talk is about the 2.0L turbo going into the Solstice targa GXP. I imagine that is because they don't want to try and fit a V6 into it. However it does become important when we are talking about that engine going into the Camaro because it means that it could be more than 260HP.
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Old 05-23-2008, 12:01 PM   #108
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Not saying anything. The talk is about the 2.0L turbo going into the Solstice targa GXP. I imagine that is because they don't want to try and fit a V6 into it. However it does become important when we are talking about that engine going into the Camaro because it means that it could be more than 260HP.
Wouldn't that defeat the purpose, though? I mean, putting a 300 horse Turbo 4 in the base Camaro. The Sky/Solctice is 28 grand for that 260 horse Turbo...if they popped it in the Camaro for 20k, they'd need to give the Solctice/Sky folks something to make them feel 'special', to keep the the Red Line/GXP models stronger than an entry-level car, you know? That's what I think they may be doing...
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If I'm wrong about the R/T being the Hemi, I appologize. I think it would be a V6 DI Camaro because of the torque, at least in a 1320. I think Camaro would pull at the top, but still don't think it would outrun a Hemi. Who knows though; with the right gearing, that little V6 could pull a Hemi, perhaps.

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Old 05-23-2008, 12:23 PM   #110
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Wouldn't that defeat the purpose, though? I mean, putting a 300 horse Turbo 4 in the base Camaro. The Sky/Solctice is 28 grand for that 260 horse Turbo...if they popped it in the Camaro for 20k, they'd need to give the Solctice/Sky folks something to make them feel 'special', to keep the the Red Line/GXP models stronger than an entry-level car, you know? That's what I think they may be doing...
GM has made moves that don't make sense before....Honestly my only point was that 260HP isn't set in stone. To me, I don't care. I've V8 bound. I can't imagine the turbo 2 L getting better much better gas mileage than the 3.6L DI in the Camaro, so to me, the whole idea of the 2.0L turbo doesn't makes any sense. That motor isn't made in quantity so I'm betting the cost difference between the 3.6L and 2.0 L is insignificant. Why bother?
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If I'm wrong about the R/T being the Hemi, I appologize. I think it would be a V6 DI Camaro because of the torque, at least in a 1320. I think Camaro would pull at the top, but still don't think it would outrun a Hemi. Who knows though; with the right gearing, that little V6 could pull a Hemi, perhaps.

We'll find out soon enough
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Old 05-23-2008, 01:25 PM   #112
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it is the LLT same as the caddys. She will be direct injection. If you guys are looking for real performance though i would go G8 all the way the thing is sick trust me. The new one u want ls3 here i come.
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i am still planning on getting the v8 eventually, but im really excited about this v6 here! i have a v6 camaro now and this new ones gonna have 100 more hp than my current one?? thats awesome! i think the thing that makes me most excited is that our v6 will have pretty much matched hp of the mustang gt and almost 100 over their v6! very cool
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GM has made moves that don't make sense before....Honestly my only point was that 260HP isn't set in stone. To me, I don't care. I've V8 bound. I can't imagine the turbo 2 L getting better much better gas mileage than the 3.6L DI in the Camaro, so to me, the whole idea of the 2.0L turbo doesn't makes any sense. That motor isn't made in quantity so I'm betting the cost difference between the 3.6L and 2.0 L is insignificant. Why bother?

Maybe the idea is simply to generate more sales to the unwashed masses by making the ones that automatically assume 4-cyl = best MPG attracted to the car?
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Maybe the idea is simply to generate more sales to the unwashed masses by making the ones that automatically assume 4-cyl = best MPG attracted to the car?
Also the average car buyer assumes V8's are gas guzzlers and V6's are not. 4cyl's are absolutely frugal -Not when they put out 300hp, and pull 3500 plus lbs.

The Solstice gets Turbo ECOTEC® 2.0L VVT DOHC (automatic): 19/26 (city/highway mpg) The Solstice weighs around 3000lbs. Add 40 more hp AND 500lbs (min) and I'll see you at the pumps with my V8.

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i am still planning on getting the v8 eventually, but im really excited about this v6 here! i have a v6 camaro now and this new ones gonna have 100 more hp than my current one?? thats awesome! i think the thing that makes me most excited is that our v6 will have pretty much matched hp of the mustang gt and almost 100 over their v6! very cool
I know, huh?! lol, And just think... buy yourself a sick loaded V6 with all the suspension upgrades, enjoy it for a little while and... BAM!... slap a supercharger on it!! sick... just sick
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it is the LLT same as the caddys. She will be direct injection. If you guys are looking for real performance though i would go G8 all the way the thing is sick trust me. The new one u want ls3 here i come.
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Old 05-23-2008, 05:16 PM   #119
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wrong......I know for a fact that DI V6 camaro would spank that ass aganist the mustang but... not so sure about the challenger R/T it has 370 HP and 375 with the six-speed, yes I know it is 2 tons and the camaro is under 3700....maybe but I think the extra 75 horses and the six-speed is more than enough to kick the DI V6 camaro's ass, so the DI V6 gota go way faster than 300hp, I was expecting 350-380 horses for the mid-trim but 300 come on man, and does this mean that the camaro would have only one v8 trim??, comments
I agree the Chally R/T manual has an edge against the V6 camaro. But look at what it takes to get that "Edge" rather than a significant winner.

The differences.

Camaro V6 - low 20's for price and the MOST common out of the production trims.

Chally V8 R/T - Low/mid 30's for price, for the 6 speed you need the track pack which is a guessed 2grand option on an already low 30's car, its not going to be as common as a v6 mustang or camaro.


ALSO someone was wondering about battery position, nobody knows not even the disciples (or if they do they are not telling). When asked about it they just mentioned that when inspecting the trunk they had no clear indicator of where it was.
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ALSO someone was wondering about battery position, nobody knows not even the disciples (or if they do they are not telling). When asked about it they just mentioned that when inspecting the trunk they had no clear indicator of where it was.
My Cobalt has the battery in the trunk, but you would never know it is there just by opening the lid. I imagine the Camaro is going to be the same way.
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Thanks for the photos, these are awesome!! One thing about the car though, it only has one hood air shock to hold the hood up? Looks weird. The 4th Gens have two, one on each side. I'm really going V8 now though, the Direct injection LLT gets only 17/26 economy, thats no better than the LS3:

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The 2008 Cadillac CTS is available with one of two V6 engines. Standard power comes from last year's optional 3.6-liter V6 generating 258 hp and 252 pound-feet of torque, while the available new 3.6-liter direct injection (DI) V6 puts out 304 hp and 273 lb-ft of torque. In performance testing, this engine produced a 0-60-mph time of 6.5 seconds. A six-speed manual transmission is standard with the base engine, and a six-speed automatic is available. The DI engine has the automatic as standard and the manual as optional. The CTS is offered in both rear-wheel and all-wheel-drive configurations. Note that all-wheel-drive models come only with the 258-horse V6 and six-speed automatic. Both engines get virtually the same gas mileage, with 18 mpg city and 26 mpg highway for the base engine and 17/26 mpg for the DI engine.

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Both the base coupe and convertible Corvettes feature a 6.2-liter V8 that makes an impressive 430 hp and 424 pound-feet of torque. An optional performance exhaust adds another 6 hp. The Z06 boasts an exotic-class 505 hp and 470 lb-ft from its 7.0-liter V8. All Corvettes have a six-speed manual gearbox as standard, while a six-speed paddle-shift automatic is a no-cost option for the base coupe and convertible. The manual gearbox features new linkage for more positive action while the automatic has been recalibrated to furnish quicker response to the paddle shifters.
Regardless of which Corvette you choose, you'll get stunning performance. We spurred the base Corvette coupe from zero to 60 mph in just 4.5 seconds en route to a blistering 12.8-second quarter-mile at 114.8 mph, and Chevrolet claims that it won't stop until it hits 190 mph. Fuel economy is relatively impressive too, with 2008 EPA estimates of 16 mpg city/26 mpg highway for a manual-transmission Corvette. The Z06 is even quicker -- and at 15 mpg city/24 highway, there's only a slight penalty at the pump.


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Dude, look at your source. Edmunds is notorious for having bad test numbers. All three C&D, MT and R&T got the DI CTS to do 0-60 in under a 6.0. Now saying that I have no dought that the DI camaro will be neck to neck with the whale of a R/T challenger. The SRT8 version only got a 4.7 pass to 60 so a mid 5 second number if not worse is expected out of the challenger. The DI camaro won't have trouble matching if not exceeding those numbers.
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Dude, look at your source. Edmunds is notorious for having bad test numbers. All three C&D, MT and R&T got the DI CTS to do 0-60 in under a 6.0. Now saying that I have no dought that the DI camaro will be neck to neck with the whale of a R/T challenger. The SRT8 version only got a 4.7 pass to 60 so a mid 5 second number if not worse is expected out of the challenger. The DI camaro won't have trouble matching if not exceeding those numbers.
I take back the whole kick ass thing, and I agree one hundred percent... but it might depend on the camaro weight which is still unknown, bet it still weighs under the SRT8....thats the only thing major thats holding it back the weight
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-Point well taken. But like I stated above, I think it could use a little flare. Look, I still LOVE the Camaro and think it looks killer. But if we are going to analyze the engine ...well that's my comment.
I am hoping that the LS3 compartment looks similar to the vette. Clean and simple with Camaro plastered across the valve covers
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Also the average car buyer assumes V8's are gas guzzlers and V6's are not. 4cyl's are absolutely frugal -Not when they put out 300hp, and pull 3500 plus lbs.

The Solstice gets Turbo ECOTEC® 2.0L VVT DOHC (automatic): 19/26 (city/highway mpg) The Solstice weighs around 3000lbs. Add 40 more hp AND 500lbs (min) and I'll see you at the pumps with my V8.
You know this, and I know this and probably everyone reading this forum knows this, but to the average man on the street it's more like:

"Gosh, golly, gee wilikers! There must be something wrong with my Solstice... It's got a 4-cylinder and I only get 26MPH. It's a 4-cylinder, so I should be getting more than 35MPH at least! Must be defective or bad design by GM."

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Wouldn't that defeat the purpose, though? I mean, putting a 300 horse Turbo 4 in the base Camaro. The Sky/Solctice is 28 grand for that 260 horse Turbo...if they popped it in the Camaro for 20k, they'd need to give the Solctice/Sky folks something to make them feel 'special', to keep the the Red Line/GXP models stronger than an entry-level car, you know? That's what I think they may be doing...
I feel the Solstice GXP and Sky Red Line are priced too high. Really, for $30K you could get a T4 2 seat roadster with a few options, or a V8 full size car with plenty of those options standard. I've even heard the Solstice coupe might cost even more. Sure they're selling well and they are pretty nice, but they just don't scream "value" like the G8 does.
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