2010 Camaro engine bay showing DI 3.6L V6 LLT engine ?

[TaylorRyanSS]

Dang a v6 camaro with just as much hp as a GT mustang... thats awesome
I bet ford is working on the next mustang and will try and top the camaro, if it keeps going like this were gonna end up with 600 hp camaros and mustangs in 50 years haha

[camero]

Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

Dang a v6 camaro with just as much hp as a GT mustang... thats awesome
I bet ford is working on the next mustang and will try and top the camaro, if it keeps going like this were gonna end up with 600 hp camaros and mustangs in 50 years haha

50 years! Dude, the ZR1 has way over 600 HP already so the Camaro could easily have it when it comes out in less than one year if GM wanted to do it! I think most Camaro buyers are going to be a LOT more interested in the V6 in today's day and age though.

[Team Monte Carlo SS]

ford oughta be unshamed of thereselves the Chevy Camaro v6 will have the same horsepower as the lame ford mustake gt v8 that goes to show you how much ford suck the ford mustake will never be a match for the Camaro ever

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

Dang a v6 camaro with just as much hp as a GT mustang... thats awesome
I bet ford is working on the next mustang and will try and top the camaro, if it keeps going like this were gonna end up with 600 hp camaros and mustangs in 50 years haha

Originally Posted by camero

50 years! Dude, the ZR1 has way over 600 HP already so the Camaro could easily have it when it comes out in less than one year if GM wanted to do it! I think most Camaro buyers are going to be a LOT more interested in the V6 in today's day and age though.

Didn't I hear these same comments back in 1970? Right before the insurance companies bought the USA? Hope this ain't Deja Vu

[Team Monte Carlo SS]

im thinkin bout somethin sick like a 500 plus horsepowered Camaro since the Camaro will be returning it needs to return with a vengence! we(GM)dont need to run neck and neck with our competitors we need to run over them!

[Dark Eric]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

not to bust your chops eric... buuuuut, comparing two cars with different weight and gearing options makes it unfair to compare. just cus the vette can pull off those numbers with the LS3 doesnt mean a camaro will be able to.

I agree, I actually thought about this after I posted it, the Vette is waaay lighter than the CTS, almost 700 lbs lighter, but its hard to imagine a DI V6 getting any more than 18/26 MPG in the Camaro. Now they really have to consider the 2.0 T4 engine, but again, inside the Soltice its 19/28 (manual) and 19/26 for the auto, but the Camaro is sure to weigh more than the 2976 lb Soltice, so will the 2.0 T4 engine even be a viable option compared to the V6? There is a ton of variables we would could consider here based off the existing vehicles. If the LS3 V8 gets 17/24 in the Camaro with that cylinder shutoff feature I'm getting that one without question. I just don't see how fuel efficient enough GM could make the V6 or T4 engines to make me or many other people bypass the V8, right now the only major factors appear to be overally cost of the vehicle and insurance.

Originally Posted by ToneyTone

Dude, look at your source. Edmunds is notorious for having bad test numbers. All three C&D, MT and R&T got the DI CTS to do 0-60 in under a 6.0. Now saying that I have no dought that the DI camaro will be neck to neck with the whale of a R/T challenger. The SRT8 version only got a 4.7 pass to 60 so a mid 5 second number if not worse is expected out of the challenger. The DI camaro won't have trouble matching if not exceeding those numbers.

I somewhat disagree with this, have you seen Road & Track's Dodge Charger SRT8 numbers compared to MT? Road and Tracks numbers are ALWAYS faster than MT for some reason. I subscribe to both, the same was true for the Lancer Evo MR. I trust Motor Trend more than Road and Track. Never been too much of a fan of C & D though. Also, I have in Motor Trend the Cadillac STS with the DI V6 getting 0-60 at 6.4 seconds. I'll post the exact issue numbers for both really soon. I have soo many of those magazines stacked. I also have Automobile magazine so some of the number comparisons I found in there too.

Lastly, I don't think its possible for the DI V6 Camaro to run neck and neck with a Challenger R/T, you will lose at 0-60 AND 0-100. Maybe in 1/8 mile it could but the Challenger would just catch up to it and beat it.

Ok I found one example, Automobile Magazine, Sept. 2007 issue Cadillac CTS DI V6 304hp, 0-60 MPH 6.6 seconds 1/4 mile 15.1 (thats no better than a stock 3800 Camaro, Firebird with Y87 performance package). 0-120MPH 25.8 seconds! Therefore even in a Camaro that weights 450lbs less, there is NO way you will be beating Dodge Challengers R/Ts, even the V6 Challenger will give you a heck of a time. Maybe the V6 camaro can hit the 1/4 mile at 14.5 with a better exhaust etc. But I'm looking at every 100lbs being 0.1 sec or more off the 1/4 mile. Lets just hope GM leaves room for a S/C or Turbo this time for the V6 guys, that way they'll have an easier time upgrading and then finally whooping any Challenger R/T, SRT etc. But if GM can get the V6 to say 0-60 in 5.6 seconds stock, then we have a true winner with the V6.

No more V6s for me unless its the Porche 911 Carrera or the Nissan GTR, both of which will be out of my reach.

[ZeeTwentyFour]

I am stoked for this car, only 20K you get a v6 with as much HP as a mustang GT and its a bowtie . It will be one hell of an upgrade my my 93 cavi lol.

I wonder how much of an after market there will be for this engine?

[2KZ28_For_Now]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

You decide.... I think yes!!

First engine bay photos.
Also featured on homepage.

CLUES:
-- "LLT" letters on some hoses indicate GM's LLT engine (the direct-injection 3.6L V6)
-- throttle-body size / shape and bolts holding it on
-- three fluid reservoirs in the same locations


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Without reading the rest of the thread (sorry) -- That IS a V6.

And, I'd bet THIS V6 will set new benchmarks in performance and economy for years to come. Congrats to the GM powertrain engineers.

Quote by Col. Kilgore: "Outstanding, Red Team! Outstanding. You get you a case of beer for that one!!!

<Death From Above> (for those that keep track of such things).

[TAG UR IT]

And for whomever was looking for the battery..................


Don't look like there's one under THAT hood!!!

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Dark Eric

I agree, I actually thought about this after I posted it, the Vette is waaay lighter than the CTS, almost 700 lbs lighter, but its hard to imagine a DI V6 getting any more than 18/26 MPG in the Camaro. Now they really have to consider the 2.0 T4 engine, but again, inside the Soltice its 19/28 (manual) and 19/26 for the auto, but the Camaro is sure to weigh more than the 2976 lb Soltice, so will the 2.0 T4 engine even be a viable option compared to the V6? There is a ton of variables we would could consider here based off the existing vehicles. If the LS3 V8 gets 17/24 in the Camaro with that cylinder shutoff feature I'm getting that one without question. I just don't see how fuel efficient enough GM could make the V6 or T4 engines to make me or many other people bypass the V8, right now the only major factors appear to be overally cost of the vehicle and insurance.


I somewhat disagree with this, have you seen Road & Track's Dodge Charger SRT8 numbers compared to MT? Road and Tracks numbers are ALWAYS faster than MT for some reason. I subscribe to both, the same was true for the Lancer Evo MR. I trust Motor Trend more than Road and Track. Never been too much of a fan of C & D though. Also, I have in Motor Trend the Cadillac STS with the DI V6 getting 0-60 at 6.4 seconds. I'll post the exact issue numbers for both really soon. I have soo many of those magazines stacked. I also have Automobile magazine so some of the number comparisons I found in there too.

Lastly, I don't think its possible for the DI V6 Camaro to run neck and neck with a Challenger R/T, you will lose at 0-60 AND 0-100. Maybe in 1/8 mile it could but the Challenger would just catch up to it and beat it.

Ok I found one example, Automobile Magazine, Sept. 2007 issue Cadillac CTS DI V6 304hp, 0-60 MPH 6.6 seconds 1/4 mile 15.1 (thats no better than a stock 3800 Camaro, Firebird with Y87 performance package). 0-120MPH 25.8 seconds! Therefore even in a Camaro that weights 450lbs less, there is NO way you will be beating Dodge Challengers R/Ts, even the V6 Challenger will give you a heck of a time. Maybe the V6 camaro can hit the 1/4 mile at 14.5 with a better exhaust etc. But I'm looking at every 100lbs being 0.1 sec or more off the 1/4 mile. Lets just hope GM leaves room for a S/C or Turbo this time for the V6 guys, that way they'll have an easier time upgrading and then finally whooping any Challenger R/T, SRT etc. But if GM can get the V6 to say 0-60 in 5.6 seconds stock, then we have a true winner with the V6.

No more V6s for me unless its the Porche 911 Carrera or the Nissan GTR, both of which will be out of my reach.

good point, but I disagree theirs no doubt thats the DI camaro would smoke the V6 challenger but even that might be a problem 3 years from know cause chrysler replacing all their v6's with some new phoenix v6 thats get 280-300 HP and with the 5-speed autostick....problem, can't see chrysler doing all this with out rising the price

and I'm a V8 man, and the only V6's I like are the ones in the Impalas LS to LTZ, there peppy the sound real good and if I had to drive a V6 it would be an Impala LTZ

P.S. I did not know the Porche 911 Carrera was a V6, cool

[Captain Awesome]

I thought that that the 911 has a flat 6 ("boxer")?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Dark Eric, you seem to be an open-minded kinda guy...so I'll just touch on some of the things you spoke about.

Originally Posted by Dark Eric

its hard to imagine a DI V6 getting any more than 18/26 MPG in the Camaro.

That's what it gets in the CTS, right? The CTS wieghs 3874lbs with that engine. We expect the V8 Camaro to be about the same weight as the most recent GTO, so about 3700lbs. In the G8, the difference between V6, and V8 weights of the car is 110lbs. And both the DI V6, and the regular V6 wiegh about the same.

So: a V6 Camaro should wieght somewhere around 3600lbs. That's at least a 250lb difference. Is it too hard to expect 18/27 mpg out of the V6 model?

Originally Posted by Dark Eric

right now the only major factors appear to be overally cost of the vehicle and insurance.

Then you just hit the two primary factors that both have a LOT of say in the decision average buyers will make. Those, and percieved fuel economy benefits.

And, (I'm not trying to be sarcastic or a smartass or anything) believe it or not, not everybody wants the temperament and power of a V8. Some are scared of it, others look down on pushrod technology, still others just hear about a 'V8' in a car, and think 'evil' (for whatever reason)

Originally Posted by Dark Eric

I somewhat disagree with this, have you seen Road & Track's Dodge Charger SRT8 numbers compared to MT? Road and Tracks numbers are ALWAYS faster than MT for some reason. I subscribe to both, the same was true for the Lancer Evo MR. I trust Motor Trend more than Road and Track. Never been too much of a fan of C & D though. Also, I have in Motor Trend the Cadillac STS with the DI V6 getting 0-60 at 6.4 seconds. I'll post the exact issue numbers for both really soon. I have soo many of those magazines stacked. I also have Automobile magazine so some of the number comparisons I found in there too.

Lastly, I don't think its possible for the DI V6 Camaro to run neck and neck with a Challenger R/T, you will lose at 0-60 AND 0-100. Maybe in 1/8 mile it could but the Challenger would just catch up to it and beat it.

Ok I found one example, Automobile Magazine, Sept. 2007 issue Cadillac CTS DI V6 304hp, 0-60 MPH 6.6 seconds 1/4 mile 15.1 (thats no better than a stock 3800 Camaro, Firebird with Y87 performance package). 0-120MPH 25.8 seconds! Therefore even in a Camaro that weights 450lbs less, there is NO way you will be beating Dodge Challengers R/Ts, even the V6 Challenger will give you a heck of a time. Maybe the V6 camaro can hit the 1/4 mile at 14.5 with a better exhaust etc. But I'm looking at every 100lbs being 0.1 sec or more off the 1/4 mile. Lets just hope GM leaves room for a S/C or Turbo this time for the V6 guys, that way they'll have an easier time upgrading and then finally whooping any Challenger R/T, SRT etc. But if GM can get the V6 to say 0-60 in 5.6 seconds stock, then we have a true winner with the V6.

I'm not going to argue with your numbers...but I'll just say I think you underestimate this engine. Not a bad thing; just one more surprise in a few months.

Finally...This is probably me overthinking things -- but I still want to put it out there: I have a sneaking suspicion that GM is 'tampering' with the V6 for the Camaro...What I find very hard to believe is that they'd simply transplant the engine right out of the CTS...

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Finally...This is probably me overthinking things -- but I still want to put it out there: I have a sneaking suspicion that GM is 'tampering' with the V6 for the Camaro...What I find very hard to believe is that they'd simply transplant the engine right out of the CTS...

lol don't every automaker do it

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

P.S. I did not know the Porche 911 Carrera was a V6, cool

That's because it's not, it's a flat6. Boxter style engine where the crank is in the middle of the engine block and the cylinders are horizontally opposed. The only V6 you'll ever see in a Porsche is the Cayenne, which is actually a gussied up Volkswagen Touarag.

I am really psyched up about the V6 Camaro. I will give it serious thought, which is something I would have never said a few months ago. Heck, for a while after they made the initial announcement that the Camaro was to return there were rumours the base engine would the the old 3.5 pushrod. Yikes! Might as well throw the old Iron Duke back in the thing

But this engine is going to be great. And essential to the success of the car. Great decision to the whole Camaro team, you too Scott!

[The CHINESE boy]

Camaro hope to come to China as soon as possible! I urgently desire ......

[COPO_Chevy]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

lol don't every automaker do it

But now heres were GM can shine and take there own steps away from what everybody else does and really knock there socks off

[Xanthos]

I don't know if anybody has posted this, but heres a youtube video of a 2008 CTS with the LLT being taken around a race track. The driver's speech annoyed me a bit, but you can hear the engine pretty well - and, one must assume that the sound dampening in the camaro wouldn't be as good as that in a caddy. Now just put some flowmasters on it, and maybe a dual exhaust kit...

[COPO_Chevy]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

I don't know if anybody has posted this, but heres a youtube video of a 2008 CTS with the LLT being taken around a race track. The driver's speech annoyed me a bit, but you can hear the engine pretty well - and, one must assume that the sound dampening in the camaro wouldn't be as good as that in a caddy. Now just put some flowmasters on it, and maybe a dual exhaust kit...

good find, sounds really good. I'v heard alot thought that flowmasters sound really nice but can hamper performance in some instances..just saying wat i heard good vid though!

[warbird81]

i want to see pictures of the v8 engine bay. i know that the v6 will kick ass but i want to see the engine bay of the v8

[COPO_Chevy]

^ +1 makes me giddy inside thinking about it

[camaro5]

Somewhat interesting comments and now we're "Hotshots" and "Fan-boys"

SOURCE:http://news.windingroad.com/body-sty...os-v-6-engine/


Reader Annie just made our afternoon by tipping in with some under-the-hood images of what would appear to be the V-6 powered 2010 Chevrolet Camaro from the hotshots at Camaro5.com.

By all accounts the V-6 in question looks to be a 3.6-liter unit, likely equipped with direct injection technology identifiable by the telling “hump” at the back of the motor, as well as the vacuum tube entering the manifold. If DI is indeed the case, output figures of around 300 horsepower wouldn’t be at all shocking for the base Camaro. A new standard-setter for entry-level pony sports cars? Early returns look good.

[Dark Eric]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

I thought that that the 911 has a flat 6 ("boxer")?

Yeah its a flat 6, when I said V6s, I meant 6 cylinder period. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Dark Eric, you seem to be an open-minded kinda guy...so I'll just touch on some of the things you spoke about.


That's what it gets in the CTS, right? The CTS wieghs 3874lbs with that engine. We expect the V8 Camaro to be about the same weight as the most recent GTO, so about 3700lbs. In the G8, the difference between V6, and V8 weights of the car is 110lbs. And both the DI V6, and the regular V6 wiegh about the same.

So: a V6 Camaro should wieght somewhere around 3600lbs. That's at least a 250lb difference. Is it too hard to expect 18/27 mpg out of the V6 model?


Then you just hit the two primary factors that both have a LOT of say in the decision average buyers will make. Those, and percieved fuel economy benefits.

And, (I'm not trying to be sarcastic or a smartass or anything) believe it or not, not everybody wants the temperament and power of a V8. Some are scared of it, others look down on pushrod technology, still others just hear about a 'V8' in a car, and think 'evil' (for whatever reason)


I'm not going to argue with your numbers...but I'll just say I think you underestimate this engine. Not a bad thing; just one more surprise in a few months.

Finally...This is probably me overthinking things -- but I still want to put it out there: I have a sneaking suspicion that GM is 'tampering' with the V6 for the Camaro...What I find very hard to believe is that they'd simply transplant the engine right out of the CTS...

I understand completely. Thanks.

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

I don't know if anybody has posted this, but heres a youtube video of a 2008 CTS with the LLT being taken around a race track. The driver's speech annoyed me a bit, but you can hear the engine pretty well - and, one must assume that the sound dampening in the camaro wouldn't be as good as that in a caddy. Now just put some flowmasters on it, and maybe a dual exhaust kit...

amazing... that sounded awesome and even with that "350Z" engine in the 350 ahead of him he caught up by the end of the vid... so maybe our camaro can catch the 350Z on the twisties... i'd be satisfied with that... straight line speed means nothing if you can't turn it well...

[greysteel_M6]

Originally Posted by eR1c

um, i am alone in my thought on this, but to be honest that engine doesn't look like anything special to me. Forget what the engine can do, but if we are just discussing that engines looks... I'd really like to see a really nicely polished set of air intake tubes, some polished aluminum and/or carbon fiber parts (instead of cheap plastic) and some colored tubing rather than the standard and usual black hoses.

Here are some photos for inspiration ...the last one is a Toyota Camry engine (looks like the Camaro engine at quick glance).

Okay...bring it on, I can take all the criticism from you guys!!!

Carbon fiber? Are you f#cking kidding me? We're talking about a camaro, also the cost needs to be kept down. Judging by the looks of the maro's pics, I'm sure it will have valve covers. I can't reason why you don't give a diddly flip about the technological ambition of this beautiful DI engine; the fact that this will be producing as much power as the stang's V8, or other euro trash turbo'd V6's, rather you're concerned with a flashy bay and woven synthetic materials. You're comparing cars not even in the same league and customs at that, then you throw in a camry's bay that looks like ass....

[mot250]

Originally Posted by Team Monte Carlo SS

ford oughta be unshamed of thereselves the Chevy Camaro v6 will have the same horsepower as the lame ford mustake gt v8 that goes to show you how much ford suck the ford mustake will never be a match for the Camaro ever

Yes I own a 2006 Mustang GT so flame me if you like but I'll try to be nice. Let me first state that though I will most likely never buy a Camaro, I am truly glad they are coming back.

But come-on, a few of the things stated in this thread related to comparing the v6 DI Camaro to other existing cars currently on the market are a bit over the top. Like the quote above from Team Monte Carlo, for example.

In response...

Ford is rumored to have a 300hp v-6 (probably a turbo) in the 2010-2011 timeframe and a 400hp base direct injected v-8 around the same time. Sure, these are mere rumors and not written in stone as much as said Camaro offerings for the 2010 rebirth.

Finally, I'll restress that this is the "rebirth" of the Camaro. Lest you all need reminding, the "mere" 260 hp Mustang v6 and the "mere" 300hp Mustang GT v8 is still 260 and 300 HP more that ANY 2005 thru 2009 Camaro. You must agree that the continued support (sales, general public and aftermarket) for the Mustang has to have something to do with the rebirth of both the Challenger and Camaro. Had the Mustang also gone by the wayside as did the Camaro, I doubt the Camaro (or the Challenger) would be coming back as new 2009 and 2010 models.

Again, I look forward to the new Camaro, even if it only raises the bar of the performance stage for Ford, Pontiac, Mopar, etc. Horray for HP wars!!