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Old 06-03-2008, 05:32 PM   #176
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The logic is simple. Under $30K is the number needed to really irritate Mustang fans!
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:37 PM   #177
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$30k really isn't that low. We're not demanding a $25k Camaro. We're asking for a penny below $30k plus tax. That's fairly realistic, especially for a big seller.
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:15 PM   #178
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Actually, it is well known that the reason why ford can keep the cost of a mustang GT under 30K is due to the SRA which is much cheaper to manufacture than an independent rear suspension. Also, I predict that dealers will try to price gouge this new V-8 camaro just like they've been doing on the new shelby cobra's. I just don't see the logic you're using to come up with this $30K figure. If you can explain, then please do.
MY logic in using the $30k figure? I pulled a random number out of my@$$ to make a point: No point to ask GM to charge more than we would like to pay. If they do charge more, then pay it if you have it/want to.
But why should the V8 Camaro cost $8k more than the GT? Other than being FAR superior?
GM has an opportunity, now; to provide a quality product that will dominate (again) the competition, AND to do it at a price that should embarass ford / dodge for trying to sell their merchandise at the same price.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:11 PM   #179
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But why should the V8 Camaro cost $8k more than the GT? Other than being FAR superior?
GM has an opportunity, now; to provide a quality product that will dominate (again) the competition, AND to do it at a price that should embarass ford / dodge for trying to sell their merchandise at the same price.
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:51 AM   #180
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MY logic in using the $30k figure? I pulled a random number out of my@$$ to make a point: No point to ask GM to charge more than we would like to pay. If they do charge more, then pay it if you have it/want to.
But why should the V8 Camaro cost $8k more than the GT? Other than being FAR superior?
GM has an opportunity, now; to provide a quality product that will dominate (again) the competition, AND to do it at a price that should embarass ford / dodge for trying to sell their merchandise at the same price.
Not to sound like I don't think the camaro wont be " far superior", but how do we KNOW that it will, in fact, be better than the new mustang? It's great and all that it will dominate the last gen (current), but what about when the new ones come out, with the possible twin turbo v6 (5.0 also, which should be cheap because it will be in mass supply, if they decide to use it in trucks too)? I don't think anyone really knows what the price of one of those would be exactly, but how will the camaro's v6 even compete if they're somewhat similar price tags? It seems like everyone keeps talking about how much better the camaro is, but there isn't a whole lot of info on the new mustang. I want to believe that it will be soo much better, but for now I don't think we should get our hopes up too high.

Just my .02. I don't really have a point, just thought I'd throw that out there. Sorry for off topic.
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Old 06-04-2008, 06:45 PM   #181
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MY logic in using the $30k figure? I pulled a random number out of my@$$ to make a point: No point to ask GM to charge more than we would like to pay. If they do charge more, then pay it if you have it/want to.
But why should the V8 Camaro cost $8k more than the GT? Other than being FAR superior?
GM has an opportunity, now; to provide a quality product that will dominate (again) the competition, AND to do it at a price that should embarass ford / dodge for trying to sell their merchandise at the same price.
No one's asking GM to charge more...so...yea. I just explained that the suspension will definitely make it cost more. The killer motor and better transmission would also be reasons for this. And besides all of those GOOD reasons, there's economics. A company sells the most and makes the most money when supply meets demand. If they sell the car to cheap then there would be a huge demand for it, one which they could not fill. If you understood anything about this you would realize that GM can't make an infinite amount of these V-8's. So there are some more good reasons for you guys to sit on. Better yet, open a book and read about some of this stuff. From what I've seen posted here, some people might be dumbfounded by the way business works.
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:08 PM   #182
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From what I've seen posted here, some people might be dumbfounded by the way business works.
It works both ways, mister...you may be "dumbfounded" by how much of a performance value this car is really going to be. V8 = under or right at 30,000. It won't survive the marketplace any other way.

Let's agree to disagree for now, and let the media unvieling (or Indy) prove the victor in this discussion. Are you up for that?
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:26 PM   #183
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I don't get your logic in being here. Do you want a new Camaro or are you just here to troll around or are you trying to maintain your faith in Ford by telling us this can't be done? If so, just hit the little red x in the top of the window, you haven't made any friends on this forum in your first few posts and I doubt you will unless you get off your "high" horse (pun intended).

If you read my first post, this got started by me suggesting that I might prefer the V-6 since the V-8 might be out of my price range (won't spend more than half what I make in a year on a car). From there, people responded with half @$$3d explainations of why the V-8 can't possibly cost any more than $30K. So way to read my "first couple of posts". Anyways, going back to my original point, the V-6 might be a slick ride w/ a full exhaust and a better air intake, or, you could put a S/C or turbo on it with the money you'd save from buying a V-8 and it might even be faster. I'm guessing that they will make the V-6 in a 6spd, and it would out handle the current mustang GT for a few thou less.

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It works both ways, mister...you may be "dumbfounded" by how much of a performance value this car is really going to be. V8 = under or right at 30,000. It won't survive the marketplace any other way.

Let's agree to disagree for now, and let the media unvieling (or Indy) prove the victor in this discussion. Are you up for that?
Sure Dragon, We won't know until they hit the dealers next year anyways b/c GM employees will get fired if they spill the beans.
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:31 PM   #184
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Sure Dragon, We won't know until they hit the dealers next year anyways b/c GM employees will get fired if they spill the beans.
Good. *offers hand*

(But all those tasty beans will be spilled in or before the month of September 2008, without any firing -- if you don't believe anything else I say, Count on that.)
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:50 PM   #185
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Good. *offers hand*

(But all those tasty beans will be spilled in or before the month of September 2008, without any firing -- if you don't believe anything else I say, Count on that.)
True dat. The reason I say "not till they hit the dealers" is because dealers might try to price gouge since this car is in the same "new muscle-car" category as the challenger and shelby and I've seen Shelby's on lots down here in Florida w/ $55,000 on the sticker (gt500 not the KR). I would have to be pretty rich and really want a shelby to even want to spend time haggling or waiting until the end of the month to haggle for one of those.
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Old 06-05-2008, 12:33 AM   #186
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yes they will! and I'll be there firsthand to hear it with my own two ears!!! You gonna be there too? Or what??!!??
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Old 06-21-2008, 09:15 PM   #187
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I know its been stated numerous times already, but the engine in the black Camaro IS an LLT. It is identified by the left hand camshaft cover, this is the only piece visible in that picture that HAS to be on an LLT(it doesnt fit on the LY7), all the other bits pointed out could be installed an a "regular" LY7 3.6L or even the lowly 2.8L LP1.

I am honestly still hoping for the LNF 2.0L as the value leader/base engine. The 3.6L are horribly, horribly plagued by timing chain, tensioner and cylinder head issues. I replace stretched timing chains on 3.6's AT LEAST once a week, we probably get about a dozen a month through the shop, and the newest issue is the camshafts being machined with a slight "spiral" on the journals and working their way forward in the head, chewing away at the cylinder head itself and creating excessive camshaft thrust clearance, necessitating new HEADS!

I like the engine, they are nice pieces and perform great, but are on their fourth design timing set since 2004(introduction) and even the newest ones are failing, it appears to be mostly on less than optimally maintained vehicles, but its still a serious ongoing issue.

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Old 06-21-2008, 11:35 PM   #188
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I know its been stated numerous times already, but the engine in the black Camaro IS an LLT. It is identified by the left hand camshaft cover, this is the only piece visible in that picture that HAS to be on an LLT(it doesnt fit on the LY7), all the other bits pointed out could be installed an a "regular" LY7 3.6L or even the lowly 2.8L LP1.

I am honestly still hoping for the LNF 2.0L as the value leader/base engine. The 3.6L are horribly, horribly plagued by timing chain, tensioner and cylinder head issues. I replace stretched timing chains on 3.6's AT LEAST once a week, we probably get about a dozen a month through the shop, and the newest issue is the camshafts being machined with a slight "spiral" on the journals and working their way forward in the head, chewing away at the cylinder head itself and creating excessive camshaft thrust clearance, necessitating new HEADS!

I like the engine, they are nice pieces and perform great, but are on their fourth design timing set since 2004(introduction) and even the newest ones are failing, it appears to be mostly on less than optimally maintained vehicles, but its still a serious ongoing issue.


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Old 06-22-2008, 12:40 AM   #189
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No one's asking GM to charge more...so...yea. I just explained that the suspension will definitely make it cost more. The killer motor and better transmission would also be reasons for this. And besides all of those GOOD reasons, there's economics. A company sells the most and makes the most money when supply meets demand. If they sell the car to cheap then there would be a huge demand for it, one which they could not fill. If you understood anything about this you would realize that GM can't make an infinite amount of these V-8's. So there are some more good reasons for you guys to sit on. Better yet, open a book and read about some of this stuff. From what I've seen posted here, some people might be dumbfounded by the way business works.
You are right about one thing, the parts that GM will be using will be better than the parts that ford uses. That can cost more, but it does not have to cost $5k to $8k more than a 'similar' mustang.
Your (my economics is the only valid point of view) is DUMBFOUNDING.
And to assume, that you know more about business/ economics than anyone on here, is assenine. You have no idea how much any of us knows about economics. For you to tell any of us to go read about it, that makes you sound like a 12 year old who thinks he knows it all.
BUSINESS TIP for you: Build a better car (GM) / ford, charge too much more than your competition (mustang) you will not sell as many cars as they do...... AND SOME HISTORY for you; That is what GM did with the previous Camaro, and more mustangs were sold. To give credit where credit is due: ford sold a cheaper car and met the demand for cheaper (pony) cars and the Camaro lost the battle in 2002.
and by the way, if you do not know how much something costs, in comparison to its main competitor, saying that you will be happy to pay $8,000 more is asking them to charge more....$8,000 more to be exact!
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Speaking of economics... we know the Mustang is technically inferior and therefore the Camaro should cost more for a similar model, right? Well, that all depends on the fact that Ford is selling their inferior technology at a reasonable markup.

What if: Ford has been the "only game in town" since 2002, so they've been taking advantage of this fact by overcharging for the Mustang all these years? So they sell their car for roughly the same as what GM would sell for a Camaro with a reasonable markup.

There is some merit to this as well because often in business companies like to put an inflated "list price" on products so that stores and dealers can sell them way below list price and still makea profit and consumers leave with the perception that they just scored a gread "deal". The higher list price to them implies they got something of great value but they were able to get it at a great price.
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Old 06-22-2008, 11:56 AM   #191
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Then again, comparing it to just the Mustang might be limiting ourselves. If you look at just FWD V6 family sedans, they can easily get above $30K. Now of course the Camaro and Mustang have two fewer doors and less comfort features, but they do have RWD and V8s, which can add to the cost.
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Excellent point, except that the GXP model [that's the one w/ the LS3 which we pretty much know is going to be the v-8 for the camaro and likely the only one from what the Fbodfather has told us] is going to be just under $40K according to this http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/au...ntiacg8gxp1500 and this http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/4474 so I guess I have a valid point there and check out what motortrend estimates that dodge will be charging for a challenger http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...rt8/specs.html . Ohh what's this, $37,995 you say. Well I'm sure that logic and reasoning is just dumb and that we should buy whatever every 16 year old who wants to feel like an expert on the subject says about anything. You'll probably be able to get a new Camaro with an LS3 with 405 HP and DoD for like $20. Hey, maybe they'll also start selling those new z06's for like $30k, that way I can afford one of those too. I'm sure they'll make plenty of money that way.

Seriously though, you shouldn't believe things that random dudes post on the internet, you'll get your hopes up only to to have them shot down when this sweet car gets released next year. And if by the grace of god chevy does sell these v-8's super cheap, then I will be camping outside of the factory next year like a nerd eagerly awaiting a new star wars movie.[not that there's anything wrong with star wars]
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No one's asking GM to charge more...so...yea. I just explained that the suspension will definitely make it cost more. The killer motor and better transmission would also be reasons for this. And besides all of those GOOD reasons, there's economics. A company sells the most and makes the most money when supply meets demand. If they sell the car to cheap then there would be a huge demand for it, one which they could not fill. If you understood anything about this you would realize that GM can't make an infinite amount of these V-8's. So there are some more good reasons for you guys to sit on. Better yet, open a book and read about some of this stuff. From what I've seen posted here, some people might be dumbfounded by the way business works.
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Just one question for everyone, a V6 with the mailbox slot infront? That really confuses me there. lol


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That was a pre-production prototype and they were all that way for some reason. It did look more like the showcar that way though.
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I have a 2010 CAMARO RS in my garage. Every 1st morning start im getting misfires and engine sounds like starving when you give gas. after about 3 to 4 min, the engine suddenly runs smooth and runs perfect. 1st DTC pulled out was bank 1 & 2 system too lean. cleaned the MAF and Short term Fuel Trim gave us a gud reading. But still have the engine shake and misfire symptom.

Does any of you guys experienced this type of problem? Would appreciate inputs.

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