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Old 12-02-2009, 02:09 PM   #26
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Well...

In that situation, if there is a problem where the dealer DOES NOT have to send any computer snap shot info to GM, AND...AND, you take the car into this dealer ONLY, there would not be a problem. But, if your tranny goes, the engine blows, etc and you take your car into this dealership where it was purchased from and GM has to get involved? I would not expect GM to honor any powertrain warranty. This is when the dealership would have to step up and take the hit for any repairs.

There are dealers who will offer this. But, they will also stand by that ANY and ALL changes/work must be done through them.
I would say if you got the tune at the dealership, you better get it in writing from that dealership that they will honor the warrenty, even if GM denys the claim... they did the tune they should be held responsible...
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:18 PM   #27
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I would say if you got the tune at the dealership, you better get it in writing from that dealership that they will honor the warrenty, even if GM denys the claim... they did the tune they should be held responsible...
Amen to that...
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:19 PM   #28
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Would buying some other after-market warranty allow you to do a tune and keep your warranty?
Good question for someone from some place like Warranty Direct.

I had an aftermarket warranty though them (but no tune stuff...all stock).
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Old 12-09-2009, 01:21 AM   #29
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tuning is for the birds anyway...... why go fast......
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Old 12-25-2009, 03:17 PM   #30
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Come on, lets all be fair, if you want to hot rod your car do it. With any racing type application your on your own and it would be unfair to expect GM to honor a warranty for a blown motor that has been modified, raced, beat to S---. If you want to have a daily driver keep it stock and enjoy. As for GM paying people to monitor vin numbers, come on be real. They have better ways to control warranty losses.
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:20 PM   #31
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no reason to tune, such a refined awesome machine.....
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Old 02-14-2010, 01:32 AM   #32
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IT GETS BETTER

Here's a bit of new info.. Some folks might be interested in this when they think they can "beat the system."

http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/index.html
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:35 PM   #33
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To pour gas on this fire, the kind people at On Star have the capability of interpreting codes when service lights pop on. In my last car, I was unable to restart the car for several minutes after it stalled in the parking lot. Within those 2-3 minutes, On Star was able to read the specific code and I was into a 3-way phone call with the service department down the street. They knew at the dealership what was wrong with my car before I even arrived.

It is certainly feasible that On Star can communicate all sorts of things (whether the driver knows it or not).

Knowing this, it certainly seems possible that On Star could, at any time, relay information to GM that some drivers might rather be kept private.

Now... where did I put my tinfoil hat...
gonna piggy-back the onstar comment

If you have a scan guage (aeroforce interceptor, etc) plugged into the obdII port always, the onstar system is unable to communicate the cars "status".
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:45 PM   #34
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I want to suggest moderation here. Don't post your VIN, but don't be afraid to post modifications to your car. Balance is the key. No one here wants to be responsible for your denied warranty claim on your drivetrain because your tune and VIN were made public. We do, however, want to discuss the potential to enhance our cars.

I'm also going to point out that OnStar neither has the staff nor the desire to follow your cars without your permission. It may even be illegal for them to conduct this sort of unauthorized espionage. Don't worry about OnStar. Worry about what personal information you post online.
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Old 04-02-2010, 09:30 AM   #36
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i can say i have nos.supercharger or turbos it doesnt make it so because you saw it here.
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Old 04-02-2010, 10:19 AM   #37
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This is one thing i have been thinking about when i get my camaro. To mod it or leave it stock. Because chances are i will be getting a 2SSRS and thats a lot of money. So a warranty is a nice luxury to have.

But on the other hand, my current vehicle is a 2002 silverado with a millon mods. So i can honestly say itll be difficult to ditcht he modding bug when i do get my camaro.

I know first hand what tunes do to an engine...they wake it up! That will be tempting as well... but idk if its worth the risk of voiding my warranty on a brand new vehicle.
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:40 PM   #38
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IMO, it won't be worth it. And now, we hear a lot of reports that tuners are having difficulty tuning the new Camaros coming out. Something about the computers programs being changed.

regardless, tuning for an extra 20hp really isn't worth a warranty that says, "we'll fix your 3 thousand dollar transmission if it breaks for the next 5 years." I mean... That is a no brainer for me....especially when I've gone through 3 transmissions in my last 2 Camaros.
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Old 04-03-2010, 04:12 PM   #39
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Old 04-03-2010, 07:54 PM   #40
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Old 06-13-2010, 11:29 PM   #41
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Yeah, I certainly agree not only about not sharing info, but just not messing with retuning the car or computers, it's just not worth doing. I'm already getting a 2011 2LT RS thats fully loaded with everything; 312HP V-6 is more than plenty for me! I wouldn't have any use for tuning or turbos or super chargers on my car. I have to wait untill the warranty is over anyway to be able to afford an aftermarket exhaust (maybe, when the price comes down alot more). In the meantime, in a couple of years, I might put in some better spark plugs & wires, but thats about it. I already have a K&N air filter for the original box that will immediately make better power from the get go. So, I'm pretty happy with the Camaro as it is from the factory. It will do everything I could ever want for years to come. Just like my special ordered 2004 Chevy Silverado.

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Old 06-14-2010, 07:26 AM   #42
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Keep in mind when your car comes in for service, a cable is hooked up to the car, into a GM diagnostic hand tool, and then to a computer, which in turn, communicates information to GM via the internet.

I am fairly confident on is the code on the computer, which, despite most vendors claims, detects any changes to factory settings.
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Old 06-14-2010, 03:32 PM   #43
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Yep. You got that right.

It's here somewhere, but it was just posted that anything done to the computer can be detected....number of computer flashes done and when, any different codes, added or removed items...anything.

I just keep saying that if you want to keep your warranty, don't mess with the computer. It really is as simple as that. If you want to try to trick GM or the dealers, get ready to be disappointed. And when you (the tuner in general) gets found out, don't go crying back to mommy. It was a decision you made that you get to live with.
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Yep. You got that right.

It's here somewhere, but it was just posted that anything done to the computer can be detected....number of computer flashes done and when, any different codes, added or removed items...anything.

I just keep saying that if you want to keep your warranty, don't mess with the computer. It really is as simple as that. If you want to try to trick GM or the dealers, get ready to be disappointed. And when you (the tuner in general) gets found out, don't go crying back to mommy. It was a decision you made that you get to live with.
This is true, the Tech II at the dealer might not detect it, but if GM digs deeper in the ecu they can see that it's been modified.
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On a side note, if you mod your car and you throw your air fuel ratio off too lean or rich, a tune wouldn't be a bad idea to correct it.
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I'm late, but that is just funny.
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I'm late, but that is just funny.
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Magnuson Moss act. A manufacturer cannot categorically deny a warranty because of a "bolt-on" modification unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the modification that was performed caused the malfunction. If you take your car in for a bad alternator, A/C system, power windows, or even a bad injector, they cannot void your warranty because you added a tuner. They have to prove that the tuner caused the malfunction.
Our local dealer has sent customers to us before for all sorts of stuff for Camaro's, and I've brought my car to my dealer, they even invited me to drive it in the Iowa Hawkeye Homecoming parade.
Bottom line, and as a moderator on another site I've dealt with posts concerning dealer issues many many times, alot of it comes down to your dealer and their willingness to cooperate. Develop a good relationship with them, buy parts from them, support them and your local economy, and they will get to know you, and most likely, you'll have no issues. Dont expect them, however, to cover things if they are caused by your tune. Just be smart, use quality parts!
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