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Old 03-09-2010, 10:00 PM   #35
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Old 04-02-2010, 09:30 AM   #36
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i can say i have nos.supercharger or turbos it doesnt make it so because you saw it here.
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Old 04-02-2010, 10:19 AM   #37
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This is one thing i have been thinking about when i get my camaro. To mod it or leave it stock. Because chances are i will be getting a 2SSRS and thats a lot of money. So a warranty is a nice luxury to have.

But on the other hand, my current vehicle is a 2002 silverado with a millon mods. So i can honestly say itll be difficult to ditcht he modding bug when i do get my camaro.

I know first hand what tunes do to an engine...they wake it up! That will be tempting as well... but idk if its worth the risk of voiding my warranty on a brand new vehicle.
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Old 04-03-2010, 03:40 PM   #38
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IMO, it won't be worth it. And now, we hear a lot of reports that tuners are having difficulty tuning the new Camaros coming out. Something about the computers programs being changed.

regardless, tuning for an extra 20hp really isn't worth a warranty that says, "we'll fix your 3 thousand dollar transmission if it breaks for the next 5 years." I mean... That is a no brainer for me....especially when I've gone through 3 transmissions in my last 2 Camaros.
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Old 04-03-2010, 04:12 PM   #39
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Old 04-03-2010, 07:54 PM   #40
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Old 06-13-2010, 11:29 PM   #41
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Yeah, I certainly agree not only about not sharing info, but just not messing with retuning the car or computers, it's just not worth doing. I'm already getting a 2011 2LT RS thats fully loaded with everything; 312HP V-6 is more than plenty for me! I wouldn't have any use for tuning or turbos or super chargers on my car. I have to wait untill the warranty is over anyway to be able to afford an aftermarket exhaust (maybe, when the price comes down alot more). In the meantime, in a couple of years, I might put in some better spark plugs & wires, but thats about it. I already have a K&N air filter for the original box that will immediately make better power from the get go. So, I'm pretty happy with the Camaro as it is from the factory. It will do everything I could ever want for years to come. Just like my special ordered 2004 Chevy Silverado.

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Old 06-14-2010, 07:26 AM   #42
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Keep in mind when your car comes in for service, a cable is hooked up to the car, into a GM diagnostic hand tool, and then to a computer, which in turn, communicates information to GM via the internet.

I am fairly confident on is the code on the computer, which, despite most vendors claims, detects any changes to factory settings.
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Old 06-14-2010, 03:32 PM   #43
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Yep. You got that right.

It's here somewhere, but it was just posted that anything done to the computer can be detected....number of computer flashes done and when, any different codes, added or removed items...anything.

I just keep saying that if you want to keep your warranty, don't mess with the computer. It really is as simple as that. If you want to try to trick GM or the dealers, get ready to be disappointed. And when you (the tuner in general) gets found out, don't go crying back to mommy. It was a decision you made that you get to live with.
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Attn GM, my car is bone stock . . please cover my axles when i blow them up
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Yep. You got that right.

It's here somewhere, but it was just posted that anything done to the computer can be detected....number of computer flashes done and when, any different codes, added or removed items...anything.

I just keep saying that if you want to keep your warranty, don't mess with the computer. It really is as simple as that. If you want to try to trick GM or the dealers, get ready to be disappointed. And when you (the tuner in general) gets found out, don't go crying back to mommy. It was a decision you made that you get to live with.
This is true, the Tech II at the dealer might not detect it, but if GM digs deeper in the ecu they can see that it's been modified.
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On a side note, if you mod your car and you throw your air fuel ratio off too lean or rich, a tune wouldn't be a bad idea to correct it.
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I'm late, but that is just funny.
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I'm late, but that is just funny.
Also AFM STINKS! Feels like the car is laboring!
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Magnuson Moss act. A manufacturer cannot categorically deny a warranty because of a "bolt-on" modification unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the modification that was performed caused the malfunction. If you take your car in for a bad alternator, A/C system, power windows, or even a bad injector, they cannot void your warranty because you added a tuner. They have to prove that the tuner caused the malfunction.
Our local dealer has sent customers to us before for all sorts of stuff for Camaro's, and I've brought my car to my dealer, they even invited me to drive it in the Iowa Hawkeye Homecoming parade.
Bottom line, and as a moderator on another site I've dealt with posts concerning dealer issues many many times, alot of it comes down to your dealer and their willingness to cooperate. Develop a good relationship with them, buy parts from them, support them and your local economy, and they will get to know you, and most likely, you'll have no issues. Dont expect them, however, to cover things if they are caused by your tune. Just be smart, use quality parts!
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To take the engineering approach, for the conservative modders, you'd intercept the appropriate signals from MAP/MAF, O2, etc, coordinate them, and emulate the values based on how you want the engine to respond. This could be used to handle LT/Shortie headers, CAI, and exhaust. All you'd need to do is learn the characteristic curve, and know what to adjust to compensate. Dyno-test, and repeat.

Of course, for everyone wanting to go beyond normal engine injection thresholds, by FI, injection, or fuel rail augmentation... you're SOL with that method.

Now, I understand that the 5th Gen cars can allow the dealer to know that the car has had the PCM swapped. Which mechanism handles this coordination? The BCM? To me, it seems as if all memory components could be replaced concurrently (unpowered, of course), and the PCM swap (and re-swap) could then not be detected. Unfortunately, that may be a lot of stuff.

Now, I have no plan to change the tune until after the warranty period, as $42,xxx after taxes is a lot of money for me to not have covered. But, merely, this is some food for thought.

I'm with TAG UR IT, though. If you tune, you shouldn't expect much OEM support! (Granted, your car will be a lot peppier than mine, but then again, clearly you all have bigger cojones or more money than myself!)
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