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Old 09-16-2009, 02:24 PM   #1
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WHAT THE HELL IS IN OUR PAINT!?!?!?!

Okay last night after doing a once over on the car in the garage (car has about 250 miles on it) i'm looking over the paint under my garage lighting and I notice something on the passengers side rear quarter panel on the part where it flattens out under the 3/4 small window. It looked almost like a scratch at first but looking at it and running my finger over it it is actually UNDERNEATH the clearcoat. Car is a CGM 2SS and scanning the entire car I thought thoroughly at first never noticed it. Funny thing is is that at certain angles it disappears. It looks like it's a darker than the CGM liquid under the clear that dried and got clearcoat sprayed over it?!?!?! My wife took some pictures with her phone showing a few angles of it and another picture where you can see how it disappears into the paint and certain angles. But it is CLEARLY there when you look straight down at it through the clearcoat... we plan on taking the car to the dealership and having their bodyshop manager take a look at it. I told the wife being under the clearcoat is the best thing that could have happened since otherwise they could try to blame us for it.... under the clear shows it obviously happened during production..
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Old 09-16-2009, 02:33 PM   #2
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Wow! That's nasty. Wish you luck in getting it resolved.
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Old 09-16-2009, 02:39 PM   #3
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I just did a search and noticed that others have reported "dirt" in the paint that is under the clearcoat.. guess i'm not the only one...

oh they WILL fix this cause it's bullSHIAT that you sell a 36,000 dollar car but you can't run a ventilated paint booth that doesn't have dirt inside before you clear it....
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Old 09-16-2009, 02:50 PM   #4
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The paint on my car sucks as well .. I have fish eyes and at least 3 paint / clearcoat runs. With all the talk of Quality and QA on these cars you would have thought stuff like this wouldn't make it through.

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Old 09-16-2009, 03:03 PM   #5
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I can't recall seeing any runs but honestly now I think i'm going to finetooth comb the car inch by inch to check... others that have seen our paint have said how beautiful it is.... i looked at it and the surface is really nice but i need to see how many issues I might be able to find if i go inch by inch...

and you're right i'm shocked i didn't notice it earlier cause last night i spotted it in like a heartbeat walking by it... amazing i didn't see it sooner... They are going to fix it, especially since it's UNDER the clearcoat putting ZERO liability on me like a rockchip or a scratch would be.... funny thing is that the only blemish on the car was where was looks like a rock hit the wheelwell about 8 inches lower than where this paint imperfection is.... I'm gonna get the dealer to fix it all I might as well have them repaint that part as well... might get a two fer one on this deal...
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Old 09-16-2009, 05:23 PM   #6
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My first camaro had huge patches of paint missing off the bumper... My new one has zero imperfections in that department, unfortunatly I still and dealing with mechanical issues
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Old 09-16-2009, 08:18 PM   #7
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Maybe go take the factory tour in October and give the paint department a piece of your mind.

I agree that for the money shelled out for the Camaro it shouldn't have issues like that.
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Old 09-16-2009, 08:27 PM   #8
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Sorry to hear that and see it, it could be dirt or a bad piece of sheet metal with a flaw in it they didn't see, GM will most likely correct the problem, even if you have to get the rep. for your area involved. Hope it works out for u.
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Take it back to dealer Good Luck!!!
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:46 PM   #10
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got fish eyes too, but so far no scratches under the clear.
I have heard some people saying that bugs on the front bumper, being cleaned offf a day or two later takin the paint off the bumper. Didnt have this issue with my car though.
Just fisheyes which really piss me off, and some bubbles in the clear or something around my roof ditch moulding
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Old 09-24-2009, 12:07 AM   #11
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I have to look at the whole car very closely when I get it back from the dealer. With all the QC issues at the factory, I can't get myself to participate in threads on congratulating and thanking the Oshawa plant for building the new camaro.
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Old 09-24-2009, 12:13 AM   #12
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going to check mine tonight!!!! right now matter of fact.
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Its a mass produced car, its not a Porsche or Jaguar

These things will be and should be fixed though
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:10 AM   #14
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Its a mass produced car, its not a Porsche or Jaguar

These things will be and should be fixed though
You don't think a Porsche or Jaguar are not mass-produced? Come to Southern California and after driving a few blocks, you might re-think that statement.
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:18 AM   #15
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You don't think a Porsche or Jaguar are not mass-produced? Come to Southern California and after driving a few blocks, you might re-think that statement.

Of course they are, but on a much smaller level. I don't think you can expect paint on a 23-35k car where 500 a day are pumped through to compare with what you see on those cars.

FWIW, Jaguar as of late has some of the best factory paint out there. But I wouldn't own one. Take my Camaro just the way it is.........warts and all
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Of course they are, but on a much smaller level. I don't think you can expect paint on a 23-35k car where 500 a day are pumped through to compare with what you see on those cars.

FWIW, Jaguar as of late has some of the best factory paint out there. But I wouldn't own one. Take my Camaro just the way it is.........warts and all
gotcha. I understand where you are getting at. But consider this, look at $15k - $25K cars mass-produced cars from Honda, Toyota, Ford, VW, etc. etc. I don't think you'll see this many paint issues in any of them. We are just talking about paint here, there are so many other documented probs with the new Camaro and yes, I understand it is a 1st year production but still....I think for some, they just don't realize or dont want to face the fact that whenever any company downsizes and start trimming fat here and there, QUALITY is the first to out the door. Do you disagree? But having said that, I still like my Camaro and I am glad I bought it. I am disappointed with the quality, yes.
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:39 AM   #17
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gotcha. I understand where you are getting at. But consider this, look at $15k - $25K cars mass-produced cars from Honda, Toyota, Ford, VW, etc. etc. I don't think you'll see this many paint issues in any of them. We are just talking about paint here, there are so many other documented probs with the new Camaro and yes, I understand it is a 1st year production but still....I think for some, they just don't realize or dont want to face the fact that whenever any company downsizes and start trimming fat here and there, QUALITY is the first to out the door. Do you disagree? But having said that, I still like my Camaro and I am glad I bought it. I am disappointed with the quality, yes.
I don't disagree, but I am just SOOOO thankful GM was able to launch the car at all and I had the priviledge to buy one. Hopefully the quality issues will iron themselves out as time goes on. We at least have a choice of a sharp looking car instead of yet another Eco-Blob
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gotcha. I understand where you are getting at. But consider this, look at $15k - $25K cars mass-produced cars from Honda, Toyota, Ford, VW, etc. etc. I don't think you'll see this many paint issues in any of them. We are just talking about paint here, there are so many other documented probs with the new Camaro and yes, I understand it is a 1st year production but still....I think for some, they just don't realize or dont want to face the fact that whenever any company downsizes and start trimming fat here and there, QUALITY is the first to out the door. Do you disagree? But having said that, I still like my Camaro and I am glad I bought it. I am disappointed with the quality, yes.
Trust me all production run vehicles have flaws, both mechanical and cosmetic. The reason that you don't hear about most of them is that they are not under a microscope on a daily forum such as this. A lot of issues are repaired by dealerships before anyone even sees the car.

The Camaro being in it's first year of production and having been designed, tested and produced by teams working on three different continents is actually doing quite well. Don't get me wrong, issues such as paint blemishes frayed wiring harnesses (another post) or any other discrepancy should be reported and every attempt should be made by the dealer and manufacturer to resolve the problems as they appear. Just don't expect that a mass produced vehicle will have no issues, even with a good QC program.
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Trust me all production run vehicles have flaws, both mechanical and cosmetic. The reason that you don't hear about most of them is that they are not under a microscope on a daily forum such as this. A lot of issues are repaired by dealerships before anyone even sees the car.

The Camaro being in it's first year of production and having been designed, tested and produced by teams working on three different continents is actually doing quite well. Don't get me wrong, issues such as paint blemishes frayed wiring harnesses (another post) or any other discrepancy should be reported and every attempt should be made by the dealer and manufacturer to resolve the problems as they appear. Just don't expect that a mass produced vehicle will have no issues, even with a good QC program.
I don't expect any mass produced product to be perfect. Who does? I understand all that believe me. This is my 6th Camaro and car # 32 in the past 26 years since I received my drivers lic. The huge point is, no matter how good the QC may have been, but when you have less people doing it and those people are constantly dealing with uncertainty regarding job security, work quality results and morale are going to decline and there is going to be a rise in the number of errors. Any management group will agree to this statement. The issues we are seeing are pure QC issues. That is my point.
Part samples and equipment that were perhaps tested/monitored 3x/week for proper operation, calibration, etc. are no longer being monitored/tested as frequently and closely as before..again, due to less number and competence of people doing it.

And you don't think other cars, such as those from EU and Asia are designed, tested, etc. by several groups separated by continents?

BTW. I do respect your view on this. Nice to have a meaningful exchange once in awhile.
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Actually I don't think that other brands are designed manufatured and tested on different continents...not to the degree that the Camaro was at it set an industry standard. All that aside though, I do understand you view on the dimise of proper QC in turbulent times.

Definitely, moral job security and current economic stress have a factor in peoples dedication and overall job performance, with that said don't you think that the same issues might be plaguing the other manufacturers? My real point was that the issues with the Camaro are more evident only because of this site and the members that willingly share information.
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You don't think a Porsche or Jaguar are not mass-produced? Come to Southern California and after driving a few blocks, you might re-think that statement.
SoCal is one place where there might be alot of jags and porsche's, but the US is much greater...
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:49 PM   #23
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The new Camaro's seem to have their initial quality issues, but there is a lot more to it than just GM's bankruptcy. GM is trying to shift attitudes that are decades in the making, and overcoming the inertia of the present workforce will take some time. It will come, I have faith. This will be the second coming of the muscle car wars.
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