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Old 05-28-2008, 11:04 PM   #1
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Rumor or truth? Top end V8 engine details...

Who can tell... I would trust the source though as he is a mod...

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A little birdie dropped off a note today regarding the '10 Camaro Z28 with supercharged (1.9 TVS) 6.2L/LSA:


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The Z28 will also have 550+ HP that's underated. The dyno chart showed 520 RWHP 492 RWTQ. Changing a pulley and adding a tune & exhaust the thing had 615 RWHP and 602 RWTQ. They said that that was with a mid size pulley. They have smaller ones.

On the downside the car will weight at or over 4000lbs.

The SS is still going to be 430hp from a LS3 (3900lbs). It's gone 12.7@113 in testing. "
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:12 PM   #2
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Sounds good but where did he hear this? Little birdies have been known to not exist...
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Who is this guy and who did he hear it from ......

Its sounds like rumor to me because i think i remember GM bashing the LS9 and LSA for the camaro. Also, i dont think they will weigh that much.
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He's a mod on that site, and that site is run by some very reliable guys (one is a disciple).

Several of the very reliable people there are acknowleding and discussing it as if its true.. who knows though... I wouldnt take it as fact until we get some confirmationl.
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:38 PM   #5
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So basically, the camaro (according to this guy) will have a base V8 called the SS with the 430hp LS3, weigh around 3900lbs and still run the 1/4 mile in 12.7 seconds. And all of this will be under $30K because although this will be a 'premium' car, it needs to compete with the mustang and challenger. And just to compare, a challenger that goes for around $40K, runs the 1/4 mile in 13.2 seconds. Do i understand all that correctly?

Wow, if what this guy said is true. Damn this car is gonna be a steal!
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I can't imaging a Z28 being such a fatty. It is supposed to be the nimble track car. I'm very much hoping this isn't true. GM really needs to work on weight for all its cars, and this would be 10 steps backwards.
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So basically, the camaro (according to this guy) will have a base V8 called the SS with the 430hp LS3, weigh around 3900lbs and still run the 1/4 mile in 12.7 seconds. And all of this will be under $30K because although this will be a 'premium' car, it needs to compete with the mustang and challenger. And just to compare, a challenger that goes for around $40K, runs the 1/4 mile in 13.2 seconds. Do i understand all that correctly?

Wow, if what this guy said is true. Damn this car is gonna be a steal!
If this is true, then an SS Camaro will be what the Z28 was last generation.. However this one will be a beast all its own.. I'll be happy with just 400HP and under $30,000...
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I can believe everything said there but in the back of my head the weight just seems too high. Fbodfather has said that jenny craig has helped in the production developement of the car so i dont know.
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its not unreasonable -it falls in line with what some have guessed. If the source is generally reliable that adds to the truthyness. I'd rate it at 50% likely. May not seem that great, but compared to some of the way out there 'facts' its not so bad.

I'm surprised by the power and weight. I didn't expect to see them claiming the 'SS' 3900 lbs, thats what I thought it would be for the SS but I figured that would include a supercharger and intercooler. I figured the Z28 comming in at 3750 or so. And both those power estimates seem 5-10% higher than I expected, but I like to be conservative. So that puts them right on the mark with our guestimation.

BUT since this coincides with estimates, its reasonable to think that these were merely formulated from whats been said, then claimed as truth. We will know what the truth is in a few months. Until then we might as well figure that the camaro will have a pair of 1.3L 3 cylinder turbo diesel engines (one for front, one for rear).
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This guy has been there 10 years. He's a moderator. I looked through other posts by shawn and found no other "inside info". But, if you read the posts after his statement, nobody questions the informations authenticity.

My first thing is 3900 lbs for normally aspirated V8? Wow, if true, that's only 95 lbs less than the G8 GT 4-door. I guess that's possible.

And with supercharger - 100 lbs more - seems reasonable now, when compared to normally aspirated weight.


SS = entry V8 - LS3 --------EDIT: Or similar engine

Z28 = Supercharged LSA ----EDIT: Or similar engine


They already have the Z28 on the dyno? Maybe I will wait for the Z28...


Pontiac G8 GXP w/ LS3 403hp, manual trans GM statement:

Pending final testing, the G8 GXP is expected to deliver 0-to-60 mph performance of about 4.7 seconds, and a quarter-mile time of 13.0 seconds at 108 mph.

So I guess -"The SS is still going to be 430hp from a LS3 (3900lbs). It's gone 12.7@113 in testing." seems about right.


What does eveyone else think?

Fbodfather - Please tell us what percentage of this is accurate...


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Old 05-29-2008, 03:21 AM   #11
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This guy has been there 10 years. He's a moderator. I looked through other posts by shawn and found no other "inside info". But, if you read the posts after his statement, nobody questions the informations authenticity.

My first thing is 3900 lbs for normally aspirated V8? Wow, if true, that's only 95 lbs less than the G8 GT 4-door. I guess that's possible.

And with supercharger - 100 lbs more - seems reasonable now, when compared to normally aspirated weight.


SS = entry V8 - LS3

Z28 = Supercharged LSA


They already have the Z28 on the dyno? Maybe I will wait for the Z28...


Pontiac G8 GXP w/ LS3 403hp, manual trans GM statement:

Pending final testing, the G8 GXP is expected to deliver 0-to-60 mph performance of about 4.7 seconds, and a quarter-mile time of 13.0 seconds at 108 mph.

So I guess -"The SS is still going to be 430hp from a LS3 (3900lbs). It's gone 12.7@113 in testing." seems about right.


What does eveyone else think?

Fbodfather - Please tell us what percentage of this is accurate...

Good grief....I feel like Charlie Brown slapping myself in the head...
Let me start by saything THIS.....or repeating this.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=72

diarmadhi, I haven't even clicked on that link to see who the mod is...but just reading the information...I believe it 100%.

And as always, I'm not a GM employee folks...no verified information from me here....just some pretty DAMN good speculation.....

That'll be all.....
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its not unreasonable -it falls in line with what some have guessed. If the source is generally reliable that adds to the truthyness. I'd rate it at 50% likely. May not seem that great, but compared to some of the way out there 'facts' its not so bad.

I'm surprised by the power and weight. I didn't expect to see them claiming the 'SS' 3900 lbs, thats what I thought it would be for the SS but I figured that would include a supercharger and intercooler. I figured the Z28 comming in at 3750 or so. And both those power estimates seem 5-10% higher than I expected, but I like to be conservative. So that puts them right on the mark with our guestimation.

BUT since this coincides with estimates, its reasonable to think that these were merely formulated from whats been said, then claimed as truth. We will know what the truth is in a few months. Until then we might as well figure that the camaro will have a pair of 1.3L 3 cylinder turbo diesel engines (one for front, one for rear).
It actually falls in line with what I guessed given the dimensions of the Camaro. In this thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...9213#post69213

I guessed 3855 for the base V8 Camaro. Hearing around 3900 means that a certain person on here would be eating his words.

I'd be just fine with 3850-3900lbs out of it. I'm not buying the V8 to be the fastest car on the road, I'm buying it because it's a Camaro V8 and one the baddest looking things on the road, has a great warranty, will run circles around most anything, will get decent mileage, and because I WANT one damn it!
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Just for comparison for you guys/gals. 12.7 @ 113mph would rate rather well if the price point for the base V8 is around 30K

Year Make Model Engine HP 1/4mile MPH

2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 LS3 6.2L V8 436 12.4 116
1998 Dodge Viper GTS-R 8.0L V10 460 12.5 118.5
2000 Ferrari 550 Maranello 5.5L V12 485 12.5 116.9
2004 Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0L V10 495 12.5 116.7
2003 Mercedes SL55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.5 116.1
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS6 346 V8 385 12.57 113.96
2006 Mercedes CLS55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.6 114.4
2005 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 LS2 6.0L V8 400 12.6 114
2005 Porsche 911 Carrera S 3.8L H6 355 12.6 111.1
2003 Audi RS 6 4.2L V8 T/C 450 12.63 108.64
2007 Ford Shelby GT500 5.4L V8 S/C 500 12.7 114.2
2001 Shelby Cobra 289 FIA 5.0L V8 350 12.7 108.1
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 427 V8 430 12.76 107
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 LT5 350 V8 375 12.8 113.8
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L V8 S/C 390 12.8 113.2
2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.4L V8 385 12.8 112.7
1966 Chevrolet Corvette L72 427 V8 425 12.8 112
2002 BMW Z8 5.0L V8 394 12.8 111.6
2007 Jaguar XK 4.2L V8 S/C 400 12.8 110.9
2002 Ferrari 360 Spider 3.6L V8 395 12.8 110.8
1995 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 3.5L V8 375 12.8 110.2
1993 Dodge Viper RT/10 8.0L V10 400 12.8 110
2005 Mercedes SLK55 AMG 5.4L V8 355 12.8 109.2
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i really wish GM would hurry and finalize this shit. im getting really impatient and about to go out and get myself an '06 GTO. I can't keep trying to figure out if this is gonna be worth the wait lol.
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i really wish GM would hurry and finalize this shit. im getting really impatient and about to go out and get myself an '06 GTO. I can't keep trying to figure out if this is gonna be worth the wait lol.

OHHH, it will be!!
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Good grief....I feel like Charlie Brown slapping myself in the head...
Let me start by saything THIS.....or repeating this.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=72

diarmadhi, I haven't even clicked on that link to see who the mod is...but just reading the information...I believe it 100%.

And as always, I'm not a GM employee folks...no verified information from me here....just some pretty DAMN good speculation.....

That'll be all.....

I know tag.. I just don't like putting out info like this and calling it fact without official GM word, so lets just call this a sneak peak at the future..

That said, I think this is as close to the truth as we are going to get pre-release. (Its also surprising becuase I honestly thought more weight would have been lost, I've been preaching 3700 range ....)
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IMHO, those numbers seem about right; even along the lines of the tune, pulley, and exhaust changes. We don't even know what the CTS-V is rated at, yet, so I'm sure we could expect numbers close to what Cadillac is speculating right now.

I am a little concerned that the weight is so high however. I think adding the blower could easily add another 100 to 150 pounds or so (blower/intercooler assembly, coolant pump, coolant radiator, coolant reservoir, etc.) not to even mention additional chassis stiffening and drivetrain strengthening (I remember the CTS was mostly built strong so as not to require much in the way of additional strength when the CTS-V came out and I'm sure Camaro will be the same) but I was hoping for a car closer to like 3700 to 3800 pounds. I guess in the grand scheme of things, it could be a lot worse, so I'm not going to complain, that's for sure.

For me, as long as the car comes with the power, handling, style, and reliability we all think and hope it will, I'll be happy. She's going to be a weekend toy/track car anyways, so I'll spend more time looking and drooling on it than driving it
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I really expected this,.........flame me if you will, I'm starting to think weight does not mean jack shit in todays cars, the cts-v is over 4400 pounds yet, which are its launch times, same for the challenger and other 2 ton high power cars
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diarmadhi, I haven't even clicked on that link to see who the mod is...but just reading the information...I believe it 100%.
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i dont know who said that but those number sound good to me...minus the weight numbers. i dont think those are right at all. it sounds a little high.
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Good grief....I feel like Charlie Brown slapping myself in the head...
Let me start by saything THIS.....or repeating this.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...7&postcount=72

diarmadhi, I haven't even clicked on that link to see who the mod is...but just reading the information...I believe it 100%.

And as always, I'm not a GM employee folks...no verified information from me here....just some pretty DAMN good speculation.....

That'll be all.....
sounds goof to me.
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I know tag.. I just don't like putting out info like this and calling it fact without official GM word, so lets just call this a sneak peak at the future..
That said, I think this is as close to the truth as we are going to get pre-release. (Its also surprising becuase I honestly thought more weight would have been lost, I've been preaching 3700 range ....)
Well, I WON'T say it for fact (and Shawn didn't either) because things can change. I am suprised the weight is about 200lbs over what I was expecting (hoping for) but that's cool by me.

It's just that...The hardest part of all of this is hearing all the rumors but then wanting to keep your mouth shut so that the people who brought this dream to you can be the ones who get to reveal all the information. You know what I mean? I mean....it's like going to the doctor and finding out you/your wife are pregnant. Then, doc goes and tells your mother/father before you get to. That pissed off feeling you get is what I don't want the GM folks to have. I want them to be able to reveal info.

GM really is going to steal the market with this one. It's got everything from looks to performance to creature comforts to prices comparable to all other vehicles in it's class......and a far less price than a LOT of higher end cars that the Camaro will beat out in all areas as well. So, this Camaro, like so many have said, will be a world class leader.

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I wouldn't doubt for one second that it's possible with the proper modifications. Coming from a factory? No...
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I hope that this is true! Words can not describe the joy! I will have it at any cost! Even if I have to give my left nut as a down payment!
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I hope that this is true! Words can not describe the joy! I will have it at any cost! Even if I have to give my left nut as a down payment!
lol what the hell would they use your left nut for???? lol
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Year Make Model Engine HP 1/4mile MPH

2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 LS3 6.2L V8 436 12.4 116
1998 Dodge Viper GTS-R 8.0L V10 460 12.5 118.5
2000 Ferrari 550 Maranello 5.5L V12 485 12.5 116.9
2004 Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0L V10 495 12.5 116.7
2003 Mercedes SL55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.5 116.1
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS6 346 V8 385 12.57 113.96
2006 Mercedes CLS55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.6 114.4
2005 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 LS2 6.0L V8 400 12.6 114
2005 Porsche 911 Carrera S 3.8L H6 355 12.6 111.1
2003 Audi RS 6 4.2L V8 T/C 450 12.63 108.64
2007 Ford Shelby GT500 5.4L V8 S/C 500 12.7 114.2
2001 Shelby Cobra 289 FIA 5.0L V8 350 12.7 108.1
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 427 V8 430 12.76 107
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 LT5 350 V8 375 12.8 113.8
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L V8 S/C 390 12.8 113.2
2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.4L V8 385 12.8 112.7
1966 Chevrolet Corvette L72 427 V8 425 12.8 112
2002 BMW Z8 5.0L V8 394 12.8 111.6
2007 Jaguar XK 4.2L V8 S/C 400 12.8 110.9
2002 Ferrari 360 Spider 3.6L V8 395 12.8 110.8
1995 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 3.5L V8 375 12.8 110.2
1993 Dodge Viper RT/10 8.0L V10 400 12.8 110
2005 Mercedes SLK55 AMG 5.4L V8 355 12.8 109.2
I'm soooo flabergasted (love that word). So a base model camaro V8 will beat most of these cars in the 1/4 mile?!?!?! Most costing twice as much?!?! Somebody calm me down.
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