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Old 05-29-2008, 12:33 PM   #1
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did you all know about this????

someone on my cavalier forum found this article.

"When Ford brought out the XR6 Turbo, many Ford fans felt a little confused, the battle between turbos and V8s had just taken a new direction. But now it’s about to go one step further with GM mulling a four-cylinder turbocharged engine for the new Chevrolet Camaro.

Chevrolet Camaro four-cylinder turbo

The reason is fuel economy, while the Camaro screams V8 muscle car, someone has to pay for the fuel and with the U.S. economy nearing a recession, selling big V8 fuel guzzlers is getting harder.

GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz told journalists at the New York motor show that the entry model Camaro has been dropped, instead GM is considering transplanting the 2.0-litre turbocharged, direct-injected four-cylinder engine from the Pontiac Solstice roadster into the Camaro. The 2.0-litre produces 194kW.

The Camaro will also be available in high output V6 and V8 variants. The V6 version of the Camaro will have the same 3.6-litre four-cam V6 engine used in the Cadillac CTS, however power will be detuned to around 195kW. Fuel economy will be around 13.8L/100km for city and 9.4L/100km for highway.

Chevrolet Camaro four-cylinder turbo

Seeing a new Camaro go past with a modified blow off valve will undoubtedly make old-school muscle car fans cry, so the crowd pleaser for the Camaro range is the 6.0-litre (capacity unconfirmed) V8 with roughly 300kW.

GM will implement a cylinder cutoff system that shuts down four-cylinders when cruising, to improve fuel economy.

Chevrolet Camaro four-cylinder turbo

Given the rising cost of petrol, GM believes buyers will compromise, some will go for the turbo, more will go for the V8, but the majority will find the right balance in the V6 with a manual transmission.

“Back in the old days, if you wanted a muscle car, to get a decent one, you had to buy the V-8, and if you bought the V-6, you got a fairly rough, unrefined pushrod engine with low horsepower and weasely performance. This time, the V-6 is 260-odd horsepower, four overhead cams, very smooth and decent 0-to-60-mph times. And now the V-6 is in its own right a very fast, very legitimate car.” ” Lutz said.

Chevrolet Camaro four-cylinder turbo

Would you buy a four-cylinder turbo Camaro? Or to turn the question around, would you buy a four-cylinder turbo HSV/FPV sedan/coupe?"
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found it.

http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread...t=turbo+camaro


so apparently you all did know about it but just care more about the V8 models...
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found it.

http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread...t=turbo+camaro


so apparently you all did know about it but just care more about the V8 models...
Not too many Turbo/ 4 cylinder fans here and yeah most of the non new guys knew already.

I'm curious but the V8 and V6 have most of my interest.
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to turbo something then Turbo the V8!
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I agree. Most people interested in the Camaro want a V8. If you are looking for gas mileage don't buy a sports car.
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oh! well I guess I registered for the wrong forum. My bad.
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its not that, what i think is funny is everyone is screaming "im going to get the v-8" "v8, v8 v8v8v8v8v8v8v8v8v8v8v8v8v8v8v8v8vv8v8v8v8vv8vv8888 v8v8v!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!one!!!!eleven!!!!!1!!"

and yet, i have a very strong feeling, that once the camaro comes out we'll be reading a bunch of....."well, i was going to get the v-8, but, 300hp is enough for me, and the improved gas mileage is better with prices still climbing"

oh well.
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and yet, i have a very strong feeling, that once the camaro comes out we'll be reading a bunch of....."well, i was going to get the v-8, but, 300hp is enough for me, and the improved gas mileage is better with prices still climbing"

No matter what happens to the economy, im getting the V8 and maxing her out. theres no way im going to get less, gotta match up with my 78 Camaro.
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I guess I just found it a little amusing that NO ONE has really posted much info about the 2.0liter turbo possibility! If it wasn't for my friend from clubcav doing a little bit of investigation, I would have NEVER known about it from here!
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No matter what happens to the economy, im getting the V8 and maxing her out. theres no way im going to get less, gotta match up with my 78 Camaro.
well, based on your sig... "pushing around 300"
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I guess I just found it a little amusing that NO ONE has really posted much info about the 2.0liter turbo possibility! If it wasn't for my friend from clubcav doing a little bit of investigation, I would have NEVER known about it from here!

well, you gotta consider the traditional types of motors that have gone into f-bodies. cavie owners however, are used to the smaller motors so they would be more likely to talk about it. when people hear camaro or muscle car in general, they think big motors and a slightly smaller one for the base model. we've discussed it before on here, but the fact that they (gm reps) havent stated that it WILL go into the car makes us care even less about it. we know its a possiblity/probability but its still up in the air for now. however we KNOW we will be getting a v-8 (more than likely the LS3 for the SS), a D.I. v-6 for the base model (RS), and more than likely a s/c V-8 (more than likely a derivative of the LSA/LS9) for the Z28.
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I guess I just found it a little amusing that NO ONE has really posted much info about the 2.0liter turbo possibility! If it wasn't for my friend from clubcav doing a little bit of investigation, I would have NEVER known about it from here!
I'm gonna go out on a limb here. After the car is released and folks drive and price the 4 it's gonna be a big seller in it's own right. Just lotsa testosterone here at the moment.
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i have a question about the MPG what units are you using and can you convert them to standard US MPG?
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A few things: We talked about the 2.0L turbo A LOT when it was first mentioned. There is a very long, very heated thread on it.

We imagine it will be very popular with the tuner crowd, and it also may be the way we keep our V8 in spite of CAFE. I'm happy they're considering it. It would be a smart move.

NBJCZK if that is true then why have V6s outsold V8s every single model year for the Camaro? The fact is most people who buy a Camaro will be interested in the 300 hp V6 at most, and a great many would consider a 260 I4. Those numbers match or beat the Mustang V8 and V6, respectively. Also, the Camaro is very much NOT a sports car. It is a sporty midsize car. It has a back seat and a trunk for a very good reason. For the majority of buyers this will have to be a practical daily driver, and so they need a solid balance of economy and sportiness. The 300 hp DI V6 and 260 hp DI TC I4 will do that quite nicely.
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Would that specific engine (the 4 cyl) work well in a Camaro?..
I mean.. considering it was made for...the Saturn Sky (right?) and the Pontiac Solstice..?..
smaller cars...(than camaro, obviously)
would this engine really put out enough power to be an effective "4 cyl turbo" as opposed to the designed V6 & V8's for it that could easily have massive ammounts of power if *turbo'd* ..

would it not be like:
a Toyota Camry trying to tow a Horse Trailer (4 Cyl turbo in a Camaro)
as opposed to:
a Chevy Silverado 2500 HD pulling a Horse Trailer (V6/V8 in a Camaro)

if you get my analogy?

this is a legit question btw..not tryin to seem like an ass or anything..
im genuinely curious.

I personally just see it as a really small something trying to pull another something thats just way too damn big..(not saying the Camaro is too damn big) - I think its a nice sized car...for a V6/V8..

and no im not knocking the 4 Cyl, i think it'd be an interesting risk to take.
currently my Ford Taurus..eats more gas driving it hard (in a 1 hour & 30 minute period), than it does driving it "nicely" , in a 4 day period of driving it whenever.
I guess my main concern is gas..which of corse im gonna be told to "get a different car" but..for one thing. I dont want a different car..cuz the 5th gen camaro is too badass. for another thing..if the 4 Cyl turbo puts out enough power to beat piddly mustangs & I'm assuming chargers too?..why not go for it if you're not a "hardcore racer".
as for myself, i love gunning it against other cars whenever, even tho I drive a ford taurus..would be awesome to have a faster car (that could beat the charger & mustang) in a "gun it on green" circumstance. - and not have the car eat up half the tank doing so.
even tho "gunning it on green" is looked down upon for "safety" standards..
(i realize this) ..I'm careful about it.
I've been driving for 3 years now and i haven't gotten even a scratch on the taurus (minus an incident where i left the stupid car in reverse..but thats another story) Lol..
anyway i think I pretty much voiced my opinion about this..any input as to how i'm right or wrong would be appreciated..
and just to add..I've just recently gotten into the whole car scene so im a smidgen ignorant to some of the more technical things.
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I really don't think the size of the engine to the size of the car falls along the same lines as the size of a tower to the size of the load towed. My grandma's Rav4 has a I4 and in general mass is probably pretty close to what the Camaro will be. It scoots that car along plenty well. We had to beg her to not get the V6. She can be the little old lady from Pasadena sometimes. She even used to own a Camaro and talked about missing that V8 power when buying the Rav...but I digress. Anyway a 4 cyl of that power should have no problem moving a car the Camaro's size. I mean the WRX can get a bit up there in weight (not quite Camaro weight, but still well enough north of 3000 lbs) and it sure scoots just fine with a 4 cyl. To put your mind at ease though GM has been testing this exact engine in its full size cars, so they're making sure your worries are addressed. Its actually a very good question, and one I've considered myself. After thinking about it, I would say the answer is no, the engine isn't too small.
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Like stovt said, we had a HUGE conversation about the turbo 4. It was getting so outta hand that Scott had to jump in to calm a bunch of people down.

Now, there's nothing wrong with a turbo4. I'm all for it if it helps to keep the Camaro alive. I'm not interested in purchasing a turbo4. Therefore, I'm not as interested in talking about it over the V8. Just because I don't talk about doesn't mean I'm against it, don't like it, or don't want GM to build it. Let'em.
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yeah when i think of 4 cyl i think of those pod ricers..
but hey if they can make it work well in a camaro..then maybe it'll give 4 cyls a new name eh?
I was also wondering about all that AFM stuff...
how in the world would that work..shutting off half the cylinders..if you're gonna punch it.. would that not eat up even more gas to get them pumping again, than it would to even have that "benefit" ?
is there a switch to turn them on & off?.. (that'd be better..no?)
& given that its a relatively new innovation..(will be in a racing car at least-i think) would it not have a great potential to ruin?..given the extra on & off-ness of the cylinders?..I realize anything "new" has a potential to ruin..but wouldnt this put the engine under even more duress than having a regular V6/V8?
I realize im getting a little off topic here- sorry..
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I said it before. If it sells enough camaros to keep our v8 version, bring it along.

Also helps with ricers who think I have a 4 cyl and end up roasting marshmallows on my burnout marks counting the money I won from the wager...
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Like stovt said, we had a HUGE conversation about the turbo 4. It was getting so outta hand that Scott had to jump in to calm a bunch of people down.
I unfortunately am on dial up and wasnt able to flip through all the tons of pages of 4 cyl convo. (takes too long) hehe.
but yeah sorry bout that i'll stfu bout it. lolz.
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^MAC, don't worry about it! It was a while ago...a month or two ago that the 4 cylinder stuff was announced.

As for the AFM, there is no driver operated switch. When the rpm's are low enough and you aren't pushing too much gas into the engine, the engine shuts off half of its cylinders. The only way you would EVER notice is when the LED display in front of you tells you that it went from 6 to 3 cylinders. Don't think the AFM would work w/ a turbo 4, though.
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oh nah i wasnt suggesting try afm with 4 cyl, lol
but with the afm..(with V6/V8) when you're stopped at a light..or just idling..are all cyls going? (incase you decided to punch it) or are half of them cyls off at that time?..
cuz if only half were going just before you punched it, wouldnt that screw it up?..(make it work too harder to get all cyls going on time)
and then they are on - when at city speeds?.. yeah?
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Yes. At very low speeds, and idle - the whole engine is running. It uses such a small amount of fuel to idle, cutting half the cylinders would be negligable.

I think the exact conditions in which AFM activates is slightly different for every car, but the general idea is for it to come on during cruising speeds/low engine loads. About the time it takes to activate/deactivate - we're talking hundreths of a second; there's no lag - and you won't notice it happening if not (like Tag said) for the little thingy in the dash. It's seamless.
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that ecotec isn't a weak motor by any means, its more powerful than juust about anything put into a third gen. And it has the torque to match. But I don't think that it would be able to deliver any mileage miracles compared to the V6.
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sounds pretty cool
I'm guessing they haven't gotten a chance to test it 10+ years down the road tho?
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