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Old 09-19-2009, 05:31 PM   #1
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Craigslist + Post = unhappy Dealers

Let me begin by stating I was completely board the other day while sitting around at work.

Usually during these boredom fests, I hit up my top three sites for messing around, Camaro5, forzamotorsport, and craigslist.

While surfing craigslist I decided to run a search for the 2010 camaro for my local area Denver. I noticed that all the listings at that time were marking the Camaro up 5 to 10 thousand dollars over MSRP. This made me a little upset, so I decided to post, warning everyone to not pay these asine prices. Here is the post: http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/1377997156.html.

Now I fully expected the post to be flagged and deleted with in hours, but here we are 3 days later and it's still alive and kicking!

What lead me to post here on Camaro5 are the email responses that I have received from dealers. I must admit I don't know for sure that they are dealers but I just can't see Joe the plumber responding back with such ferocity!

So on to the meat and potatoes as it is, have a good laugh and respond back with feedback.

The first Email I received was a praise, as it appears I am not the only one who had this idea, so just to give that man a shout out here is his email.

Good for you! I posted a very similar ad yesterday and it was flagged with in hours keep up the fight! Have a good one.

Now here is were the fun begins:


1 - Email titled: Yes Please

You know why? If you owned a grocery store and you had one pack of hamburger left and the world ran out of food, what would you do? Sell it for cheap or make your money because it was so rare that people would pay. Don't be stupid because you can't afford a camaro.******* retard.

2 - Email titled: 2010 Camaro

THE FUNNY PART IS UR POSTING WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH THE MARKET ITS IS ALL ABOUT SUPPLY AND DEMAND HAS BEEN SINCE THE DAY RETAIL PURCHASING WAS ESTABLISHED. AND NOT ALL DEALERS CHARGE THAT BUT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR WHAT THEY WANT IF IT IS SOMEONE WHO CAN AFFORD THE PURCHASE NOT DREAMERS WHO WORRY ABOUT COST OF INSURANCE AND GAS MILEAGE THAT SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING AT THESE CARS IN THE FIRST PLACE……………………………………………..

So far this is all I have received; I really hope I get more as they give me a good laugh. I seems I have struck a sensitive spot with these people (dealers), that they HAD to write me an email stating their frustration with my post.
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Old 09-19-2009, 05:34 PM   #2
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It's truly amazing at the ignorance and stupidity shown by certain people. Everybody needs to earn a buck but there are ways of doing it without raping people.
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Old 09-19-2009, 05:38 PM   #3
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Old 09-19-2009, 05:52 PM   #4
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Email #2 is hilarious. People should not look a at car if they are worried about insurance and gas.
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Old 09-19-2009, 05:53 PM   #5
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Those who know me from this forum long enough know how ANTI dealer I am, even the good ones.....

This gives even more fuel to my fire that franchise laws be abolished and manufacturers start selling their cars themselves through a distribution network owned and managed strictly by the manufacturer.

It has NOTHING to do with whether or not one can afford a car if they mark up the price, because in all honesty, if one were buying and in the market for a car with an MSRP of $35k, they can for all intents afford $40k.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the excuse they use as supply and demand, when in actuality they are just robbing people.

It irritates the hell out of me.
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Old 09-19-2009, 05:59 PM   #6
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We need a list of dealers that honestly care for their patrons . My car was delivered at 5:20 pm sept 4th . 20 minutes after closing . Owners son called me and by the time I got there car was washed and half preped . I helped finish and out the door I was with dealer plates by 7:00 . We did paper work tuesday morning . Say what you want about small dealers but ESSENLOHR MOTORS in Lowville N.Y. is the best . I waited since last october and the only reason I will own another GM product is because of Essenlohr not corporate america .
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Old 09-19-2009, 06:12 PM   #7
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Found this great deal.... http://cnj.craigslist.org/ctd/1339486826.html
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Old 09-19-2009, 06:13 PM   #8
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the most u can make a camaro is like 41k and thats with the 21 wheels and gfx and everything else
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Old 09-19-2009, 06:27 PM   #9
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What I don't understand is where did these dealers get the idea that 5k-10k over MRSP is what the market could bear. I would bet all them money in the world that they have had WAY MORE PEOPLE walk away after seeing those prices then the few who were stupid enough to pay them.
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Old 09-19-2009, 06:39 PM   #10
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The Dealership near me was doing the same 5k over for the v-6 and 10k over for the v-8 I went to a dealership 20 miles away and paid below sticker it's great when you have the right to pick and choose where you can go to buy a car.
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Old 09-19-2009, 06:44 PM   #11
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...Everybody needs to earn a buck but there are ways of doing it without raping people.
You can't rape the willing.
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Old 09-19-2009, 06:47 PM   #12
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It has EVERYTHING to do with the excuse they use as supply and demand, when in actuality they are just robbing people.
Sorry, whether you all like it or not, it IS all about supply and demand. Why would a business sell something for less money than they KNOW they can get? May not always be the best business decision as it might cause people to shop elsewhere or leave a lasting negative impression of the dealer, but until GM tells their dealers they can't charge over MSRP, it is certainly within their right to do. It is not robbery no matter how liberal ones definition of robbery is.
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Old 09-19-2009, 07:37 PM   #13
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RE: Email #2

If someone were to enter that dealer willing to pay their markup the dealer would do his best to get him financed (they really don't care weather you can afford the car and the extras or not) and move the unit.
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Old 09-19-2009, 07:50 PM   #14
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An interesting observation today - I haven't ordered my Camaro yet - so I was at my local Jeep dealership having the oil changed on my Hemi Commander.

I wandered around their lot to find 3 nice brand new Challenger SRT8's. MSRP on them was $45k.

Then at the front of the dealership lot was a pre owned Challenger SRT8 sitting there. So i walked up and had a look... they had it listed at $49k.

How on earth does this make sense? Who would buy a used one for more than a new one when they blatantly have 3 on the lot in front of you!!!
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Old 09-19-2009, 07:57 PM   #15
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i dont get it... why are you guys so upset with dealers selling the cars for 1 bajillion dollars... if people are willing to spend that type of money thats thier business, its thier money.

there are people that know what the MSRP price is... but because of convenience they will pay the extra money...

if my dealer was charging me 2000$ extra for the exact car i built that was on the floor... guess what. instead of ordering on july 23rd and watching the clouds go by... id have paid the extra money and driven the car off the lot...
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Old 09-19-2009, 08:59 PM   #16
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I've made mention of this before especially in Hawaii we have dealerships trying to sell base 2SS models for $55k+. I mean when you go to dealerships around here it's generally understood you'll probably pay a bit more then MSRP so for the uninformed buyer they can normally figure a few thousand off the sticker price would put them pretty close to what MSRP is, however when they are marking them up over $20k more then what the product is actually worth I tend to feel a bit betrayed by my dealerships.

I do agree with Cloud however sometimes its worth it to pay a bit more to get the instant gratification but 75% markup is a little extreme.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:05 PM   #17
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this is just my opinion, but to be honest...was I willing to pay 2-3k over msrp or wait 2 monthes for my car....I paid and willingly. also, tbh, in my area EVERYONE is charging 3-5k over msrp for 600 miles around. I'm driving my car{exactly my car same as I would have ordered} while alot of people are still waiting to have theirs built and delivered......worth the price to me, maybe not to everyone, but to me it was.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:16 PM   #18
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WOW that is a GREAT deal......
And it's a DEMO. already abused..Great........
Maybe he would take another 2k and tint the windows......

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Old 09-19-2009, 09:42 PM   #19
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What sucks is most dealers could care less if you've owned 3 camaros before, and this is your 4rth. When they weren't that popular they would give you a great deal, now is a different story. Regardless they could care less if you and others like you are the reason the nameplate kept going for so many years and with the great response from fans for the concept were the reason that It came back. No most of dealers(not mine) for the most part were completely clueless about the car up till a few months ago but now they think the are the know it alls for the camaro. The car has never ever been about big markups and screwing people it has always been the average guys corvette. Unlike the corvette price tag they have always been affordable. So why should I or anyone go ahead a pay the corvette price tag on a mass produced car, who's conservative production numbers were originally placed by GM around 150,000 cars a year. Another 3 to 5 months and they will be 5 or more on each lot to choose from. Heck I can see GM upping production to reach 200,000 or more units by adding another shift in a year or so. I know there's global demand for these cars and that may be the reason I still don't see as many camaros as challengers and even with a late start The Camaro may very well be above or near the total challenger production totals since it was reinvented in 2008. That in six months of production. So I say whatever to over priced and uneducated dealers out there. When you screw you client he will just go elsewhere now and next time. Anyhow I'm happily enjoying my 2SS/RS for less than MSRP thanks Matt if you read this for being a stand up guy. Garber Chevrolet in Midland if anyone wants to know.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:48 PM   #20
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:48 PM   #21
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People will pay wahtever they wish to pay. It is a part of the 'free enterprise" system

Having said that , I still maintain that if you are one of those folks who will pay whatever price you can to get a given item. Go ahead. That's your perogative.

I for one would never consider paying over sticker for anything.

If I want it that bad, it would be worth the wait.

Why get into such a tizzy over it. Just like teh PT Cruiser it will all level off and go away.

The Average Consumer while having questionable tastes at times, won't perpetuate these kinds of prices.

Ain't nothin' to get upset about anymore.

This has been beaten to death on here. Sorry, but that's just my take on it.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:58 PM   #22
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this is just my opinion, but to be honest...was I willing to pay 2-3k over msrp or wait 2 monthes for my car....I paid and willingly. also, tbh, in my area EVERYONE is charging 3-5k over msrp for 600 miles around. I'm driving my car{exactly my car same as I would have ordered} while alot of people are still waiting to have theirs built and delivered......worth the price to me, maybe not to everyone, but to me it was.
Not to knock you or your decision making but you could have gotten the car cheaper elsewhere it is just a matter of looking around to get the best deal and not giving up. I went with a dealership in Michigan that allowed me to use college grad discount and my old GM world card to take an additional 3500 off. The dropped shipped it down here to bot at no extra cost direct from GM. Trust me the market down here isn't easy some dealerships were asking for 15 thousand over the norm was 10. I got my car July 3rd ordered to my specs and did not sacrifice anything.
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:02 PM   #23
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People, I was quoted M.S.R.P. for my LS and that's what I paid. If my dealer asked for more I would've told him to shove it and I know I could get the deal I wanted elsewhere. There are about 10 to 15 dealers just near me.
If you paid over then that's your fault.
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Old 09-19-2009, 11:01 PM   #24
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These dealers don't make any sense. If it were a true "supply/demand " scenario, then how come all the dealers aren't over sticker price? We all know supply is increasing substantially and there are hundreds of dealers selling at or below sticker, and they are selling alot of them. Some dealers are selling 30 Camaro's a month in Michigan, a state crushed by the economy, while there are idiot dealers TRYING to sell for thousands over sticker. If I were a salesman, I would rather sell 15 cars a month at retail price and bring home a nice check for my family so they can eat then have to try to justify to customers why their dealership is so overpriced while their family starves.
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dealers have every right to stick whatever price they want on the product they are selling. People who are willing to PAY whatever that price is ARE NOT STUPID. If they have the money and can afford and willing to pay the price, trust me, those people likely have more brains than you and me! Get over it.
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