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Old 06-01-2008, 10:14 PM   #1
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A POLL TO REMOVE THE “2010 Production Camaro body spied on assembly line!!” Thread

After reading the post “Electrician fired over leaked photos..” I've come to a conclusion, that the thread in question is not only STOLEN INFORMATION and quit possibly hurtful to GM.

So I’m going to go out on a limb and ask that the thread “2010 Production Camaro body spied on assembly line!! be removed off OUR site.

GM has made a statement (By firing the employee that took these pictures) that they (GM) in no-way, shape or form. Took these photos to generate hype for the Camaro!

I think we owe them this much (as a sign of support) That WE at Camaro5 will not support / propagate or miss appropriate stolen information or photos.

I think this is the appropriate thing for OUR forum to do, As the powers at GM have always provided us with insiders to kept us on the cutting edge of information.

I’m curious to know what our other members think about this...???

Do you agree, or not!

Yes / No and why?

If the Majority feels the same that I do…I say we follow this creed until the bitter end!
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Old 06-01-2008, 10:45 PM   #2
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How about you just delete the pics and keep the fascinating discussion?
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Old 06-01-2008, 10:51 PM   #3
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I thank we should take it down I mean we don't won't to get on the bad side with GM
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Old 06-01-2008, 10:56 PM   #4
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What would the purpose of doing this be?? Is this in support for GM? Is it in support for the electrician? Would removing the thread or pictures get the poor guy his job back? I think it would be useless to delete the thread let alone the images. It's not like we are the only forum on the web with these images! I have an idea Dodge and Ford have already seen them by now anyway if the image are of any use to them! I think if we are that serious about removing them, someone should email GM directly and ask them if this is something that should be taken down immediately!
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Old 06-01-2008, 10:59 PM   #5
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It's kinda too late to do any sort of damage control. I don't know what could really be gained from doing this anyway. It's great that some enthusiasts want to respect GM, but it's not our fault the pictures weare leaked or that they were taken. The ladder falls in the hands of the supposed "electrician" that took the photo's, not the Camaro enthusiasts community.
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Old 06-01-2008, 11:04 PM   #6
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I vote No because they have leaked and thats just what happens weather its on this site or not its still out there. I do on the other hand feel bad for the electrician that lost his/her job, but he/she should have known that if they leaked and GM found out he was going to get the can anyways. ***Back to the subject** The camaro is on the assembly line, we all know that by now so why not just let them stay up and make it a closed sticky or something???
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Old 06-02-2008, 06:09 AM   #7
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Uh, I voted yes, but I like Captain Awesome's idea, drop the pics, not the whole thread, because it is pretty interesting to read. Maybe a Moderator or Admin should chine in?
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Old 06-02-2008, 06:56 AM   #8
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I voted no...we're becoming a big name in the world of the 5th gen and all, but we're far from the only website with these pics. Us removing them would prevent nothing, and the damage has already been done.
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Old 06-02-2008, 07:45 AM   #9
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I voted no...we're becoming a big name in the world of the 5th gen and all, but we're far from the only website with these pics. Us removing them would prevent nothing, and the damage has already been done.
I agree with MerF. If it could in any way save the plant worker's job, it would be done immediately. But deleting two week old pics that have been posted on every major car-related blog and Camaro website accomplishes little unfortunately. :(

Thanks for the members' input however!
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Old 06-02-2008, 07:56 AM   #10
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I voted no. At this point it would be like trying to get pee out of a pool. The pics are over a week old. It would meant something to not post them when they surfaced, but now its useless. Everyone knew these were 'stolen' pics as soon as they were posted. These clearly weren't released by GM.
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:52 AM   #11
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I voted no...we're becoming a big name in the world of the 5th gen and all, but we're far from the only website with these pics. Us removing them would prevent nothing, and the damage has already been done.
I agree. But why is GM trying to be so secretive about the car? Everyone knows that production is about to begin in a few months (It's about TIME! lol). And there have been all kinds of other leaked photos come out. What is the big deal with THESE leaked photos? The car is gonna have to hit the assembly line in order to be put together!

If I woulda seen it, I woulda probably taken pictures too!!! Who here is going to try to say that they wouldn't have?
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It's not that the car exists, it's how it's made that GM wants kept to themselves...if they found an innovative way to manufacture the car cheaper or better, they want that all to themselves for the competitive edge over the other guys.

Seriously, GM would rather have pretty much anything else BUT this released tot he public right now I imagine.
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I voted YES.

My thoughts are this; I'd remove the picture. Sure, it's all over the internet by now, but out of our respect for Scott, as well as GM's intentions that it not be shown, I'd remove the picture from our site.

As others have stated above, "Whats the harm now? The pictures are "out there". It's my opinion that to show our respect for GM as well as Scott, the pictures be removed.

Maybe people wouldn't make questionable decisions which may untimately lead to a loss of their job if there weren't so many forums looking to post "unauthorized" information.

I say lets show a little restraint.

(I'm sure my thoughts aren't popular - sorry - thats how I feel)

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Old 06-02-2008, 10:29 AM   #14
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I agree with Moose, but what's done is done. I think it would be a nice gesture though to remove them. I voted "not sure" FWIW.
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I must be very naïve about building cars, because personally, when I saw those pictures I was like “What’s the big deal?” I don’t know what secrets are given away there; the shape of the car isn’t any big secret …?
Where is the poll option for "Don't care"
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Old 06-02-2008, 11:40 AM   #16
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I voted YES.

My thoughts are this; I'd remove the picture. Sure, it's all over the internet by now, but out of our respect for Scott, as well as GM's intentions that it not be shown, I'd remove the picture from our site.

As others have stated above, "Whats the harm now? The pictures are "out there". It's my opinion that to show our respect for GM as well as Scott, the pictures be removed.

Maybe people wouldn't make questionable decisions which may untimately lead to a loss of their job if there weren't so many forums looking to post "unauthorized" information.

I say lets show a little restraint.

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I agree with Moose, but what's done is done. I think it would be a nice gesture though to remove them. I voted "not sure" FWIW.
These were my thoughts and feelings as I wrote this thread!

And I agree with alot of the other members thoughts also, that "The damage has been done" "There all over the internet already"....ect..ect

But I consider everyone on this site a friend!!!!! which includes all the GM employees and GM the company as a whole. So like Moose said "Out of Respect" for our friends at GM.
Yes the damage is done...But maybe we can start a trend, buy not supporting or condoneing stolen information.....PERIOD.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 06-02-2008, 11:47 AM   #17
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These were my thoughts and feelings as I wrote this thread!

And I agree with alot of the other members thoughts also, that "The damage has been done" "There all over the internet already"....ect..ect

But I consider everyone on this site a friend!!!!! which includes all the GM employees and GM the company as a whole. So like Moose said "Out of Respect" for our friends at GM.
Yes the damage is done...But maybe we can start a trend, buy not supporting or condoneing stolen information.....PERIOD.

Just my 2 cents.
If they didn't show "leaked" photos here, wouldn't 99% of us just go to another forum to see them? I don't think anyone here supports a guy getting fired, but i don't think many of us have the power to stop ourselves from looking at new pictures of something we have been waiting years for.
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If they didn't show "leaked" photos here, wouldn't 99% of us just go to another forum to see them? I don't think anyone here supports a guy getting fired, but i don't think many of us have the power to stop ourselves from looking at new pictures of something we have been waiting years for.
I understand what your saying, but 99% of all the photos of the new Camaro on this website were taken in the open air...and do not give away company secrets.

These photos were taken in a closed room with no windows, by an employye who's been fired for the leaked photo.....BIG DIFFERENCE...im my humble opinion...and putting it very simply...by continuing to show these pictures were condoning the theft of privet property.
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Old 06-02-2008, 12:24 PM   #20
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...by continuing to show these pictures were condoning the theft of privet property.
No we're not. Don't keep telling yourself that; becuase then you'll start to believe it without exception, and then everyone becomes evil....Technically, every single spy-shot, every little bit of leaked info since August of 2006 is "stolen property". I guess we could take down all of that, and not put any more up...

We here at Camaro5 (or any other forums for that matter) don't have the authority or influence to condone anything unless said material originates here. This didn't, all we are (the site) is a messenger from LeftLane (or wherever it's from) to our members.

So...how about a compromise? If you haven't noticed, the thread has been closed. In due time, it will fade away into nothingness as no responses can ressurect it. The pictures, and all the conversation in the thread remains -- so we aren't cheating our members out of juicy tidbits/pictures if they take the time and effort to go find it.

Does this sound good?
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I voted yes, but in my opinion just delete the pictures, leave the thread...
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So...how about a compromise? If you haven't noticed, the thread has been closed. In due time, it will fade away into nothingness as no responses can ressurect it. The pictures, and all the conversation in the thread remains -- so we aren't cheating our members out of juicy tidbits/pictures if they take the time and effort to go find it.

Does this sound good?

So is it safe to say that we can move on now?
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i don't think were doing anything wrong by keeping them up .... if GM asks us to take them down.... then sure i think we should take them down.... its not like there are a thousand camaro forums out there.... just the main few... they can let us know if they want them down... in which out of courtesy to all hardworking people on the project we should take em down.

Like someone said once on the net....always on the net... but camaro5 has class and we should take em down at request from GM anyways if they want them taken down.
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Unless we are specifically asked by GM to take them down, we should leave them up. The damage has been done. (Sadly) the Employee has been fired, and us taking them down will not help the situation.
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Yeah, if GM asked us to remove them or if removing them got the guy his job back, then yeah take 'em down. But those pics are all over the web now for anyone who knows how to work Google, and removing them from this one website isn't going to change anything. Might as well leave them here unless we're instructed by GM to do so.
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