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Old 09-30-2009, 04:37 PM   #251
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Yes we will send a kit of 2. No I dont beleive in ram air but I do beleive in air flow. No I do not think your fans compare to the air flow dynamics of what is going on when the car is being driven at 60 mph.

We can agree to disagree.

Overall, I do like your answers and methods and I am now more comfortable with how you are performing the test. Thank you for your comments.
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:40 PM   #252
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Sorry I havent read all 11 pages of this thread, but can someone tell me the date of this test? Thanks.
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:46 PM   #253
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Yes we will send a kit of 2. No I dont beleive in ram air but I do beleive in air flow. No I do not think your fans compare to the air flow dynamics of what is going on when the car is being driven at 60 mph.

We can agree to disagree.

Overall, I do like your answers and methods and I am now more comfortable with how you are performing the test. Thank you for your comments.
Ted,send him a pic of your fan. I think he will change his mind.
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It really is comical to see a vendor come in with defense in full guard. It makes one wonder..........read the thread in it's entirety. There is no angle in this test.
The test will happen when all the CAI'S are at the shop. The sooner the better.
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:50 PM   #255
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I don't see why Hennessey is still a little reluctant...Even if your kit doesn't happen to be the very top performing one, the sole fact that you allowed your company to be subjected to independent testing says so much more for your brand in the long run - and if you look at the Camaro sales numbers so far this is going to be a big market pretty soon!

I don't doubt your brand, performance, or numbers. You guys have been around for years proving your credibility in performance and mods ...But it says a lot to your target market that you were willing to do this because in my opinion a company who comes to this thread, posts, and then backs out appears to be a company that either doubts itself or believes it's better than its customer/fan base and is unwilling to be the down-to-earth company that at least I personally happen to be looking for when I make a purchase decision.

What if a magazine (say Road and Track or Motor Trend or whichever car magazine you can come up with) were to do a head to head to head test with the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger and one of them were to say "You know what? It sounds like the test has good intentions and thanks for the offer, but I think we're going to sit this one out and we'll let you know how our numbers come out." Who's willing to bet their customer/fan base would be disappointed in them?

I am going to be buying a Cold Air intake kit within the next few months (as will many others tuned in to this thread) and a big part of my decision will be based on these tests. And for me, it's not all about numbers. Yeah I want some respectable power gains, but I also want a good looking kit from a straight-forward company. That's my 2 cents

But then again, what do I know? My degree is only in International Business Management/Marketing...
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Hennessey, sorry I was still writing the above comment when you confirmed you would participate so I didn't see it...

Very cool! I have definitely considered your kit and just want to see some comparisons between what everyone is offering
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Yes we will send a kit of 2. No I dont beleive in ram air but I do beleive in air flow. No I do not think your fans compare to the air flow dynamics of what is going on when the car is being driven at 60 mph.

We can agree to disagree.

Overall, I do like your answers and methods and I am now more comfortable with how you are performing the test. Thank you for your comments.
Thank you for Jumping on board.

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I don't see why Hennessey is still a little reluctant...Even if your kit doesn't happen to be the very top performing one, the sole fact that you allowed your company to be subjected to independent testing says so much more for your brand in the long run - and if you look at the Camaro sales numbers so far this is going to be a big market pretty soon!

I don't doubt your brand, performance, or numbers. You guys have been around for years proving your credibility in performance and mods ...But it says a lot to your target market that you were willing to do this because in my opinion a company who comes to this thread, posts, and then backs out appears to be a company that either doubts itself or believes it's better than its customer/fan base and is unwilling to be the down-to-earth company that at least I personally happen to be looking for when I make a purchase decision.

What if a magazine (say Road and Track or Motor Trend or whichever car magazine you can come up with) were to do a head to head to head test with the Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger and one of them were to say "You know what? It sounds like the test has good intentions and thanks for the offer, but I think we're going to sit this one out and we'll let you know how our numbers come out." Who's willing to bet their customer/fan base would be disappointed in them?

I am going to be buying a Cold Air intake kit within the next few months (as will many others tuned in to this thread) and a big part of my decision will be based on these tests. And for me, it's not all about numbers. Yeah I want some respectable power gains, but I also want a good looking kit from a straight-forward company. That's my 2 cents

But then again, what do I know? My degree is only in International Business Management/Marketing...
Well Written, and Hey, I can use a few tips in marketing if you have any
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Old 09-30-2009, 05:09 PM   #259
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Ted,send him a pic of your fan. I think he will change his mind.
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Given how slow the kits are showing up I would expect a week or 2 hopefully not more than that.
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Yes we will send a kit of 2...
Thank you for stepping up to the plate! The only way to lose in this type of test is to not participate, so we're glad that you came on board.
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AMMENDED - But it says a lot to your target market that you were willing to do this because in my opinion a company who comes to this thread, posts, and then backs out appears to be a company that either doubts itself or believes it's better than its customer/fan base and is unwilling to be the down-to-earth company that at least I personally happen to be looking for when I make a purchase decision....
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Hennessey is just uncertain of their results, they state a lot of hp on an LS9 ( which is obvious) and then they say... just 14 hp on stock LS3. Well we'll see the results when the test its done. I don't know why Hennessey seems concerned or affraid of the outcome... who knows...
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Old 09-30-2009, 07:52 PM   #263
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Hennessey is just uncertain of their results, they state a lot of hp on an LS9 ( which is obvious) and then they say... just 14 hp on stock LS3. Well we'll see the results when the test its done. I don't know why Hennessey seems concerned or affraid of the outcome... who knows...

He doesn't seem to concerned as in a worried sense. He is dead-right in what he said. There is no magical air intake that will smoke the others. Just about all of the kits that are in this test are basically the same. They will all be within a few hp. If one particular model is down by 5-6 from the others, dyno it again and see it change. They all use a high flowing filter element, and they all smooth out the airflow by eliminating the resonator tubes. The OTR kits are a better design from a performance standpoint, period.

You can dyno a car back to back 10 times in a row, and see the hp changes fluctuate up to about 5hp on a car that dynoes 320-350ish at the wheels.

Unfortuneatly with this test, one or more of the CAI kits will get a higher reading due to this variance. Lets say that for the sake of an argument, pull #3 on the Roto-fab unit hits the high mark and makes the best numbers for the day at 330hp on the nose. The next highest unit hits 329. How many Roto-fab units do you think they will sell? I'd say quite a few. Is this still a fair test? It's not a bad test, but it isn't the end-all be-all of CAI testing. The only thing that is really good about this test is that if one of these CAI kits is simply a turd due to bad placement of the MAF, or too tight of a bend at the elbow, or a crappier filter element, it "should" show up in this test. Then the word would get out.
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this is completely awesome, thank you all for stepping up and participating, and thanks for going to all the effort to do this Jannety!


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this is completely awesome, thank you all for stepping up and participating, and thanks for going to all the effort to do this Jannety!


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I cannot thank Ted and his crew enough,This will probably be the hardest thing he as ever done!

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He doesn't seem to concerned as in a worried sense. He is dead-right in what he said. There is no magical air intake that will smoke the others. Just about all of the kits that are in this test are basically the same. They will all be within a few hp. If one particular model is down by 5-6 from the others, dyno it again and see it change. They all use a high flowing filter element, and they all smooth out the airflow by eliminating the resonator tubes. The OTR kits are a better design from a performance standpoint, period.

You can dyno a car back to back 10 times in a row, and see the hp changes fluctuate up to about 5hp on a car that dynoes 320-350ish at the wheels.

Unfortuneatly with this test, one or more of the CAI kits will get a higher reading due to this variance. Lets say that for the sake of an argument, pull #3 on the Roto-fab unit hits the high mark and makes the best numbers for the day at 330hp on the nose. The next highest unit hits 329. How many Roto-fab units do you think they will sell? I'd say quite a few. Is this still a fair test? It's not a bad test, but it isn't the end-all be-all of CAI testing. The only thing that is really good about this test is that if one of these CAI kits is simply a turd due to bad placement of the MAF, or too tight of a bend at the elbow, or a crappier filter element, it "should" show up in this test. Then the word would get out.
My thoughts exactly. Can we stop questioning a vendor who may show a little reluctance about sending their product to a tester that is unknown to them and not knowing the validity of the testing procedures. I too would be cautious about sending my livelihood until I was comfortable with the proccess.

My guess would be; you test them all, you will certainly find a top and bottom performer; but they will all be bunched up really close, plus or minus 2-3 hp.
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Still waiting for those OTR intakes(Vararam, New Era) to show up and let us know if they are in or why they are not. I know that I was leaning towards them but not if they don't stand behind their product. It makes me wonder... oh well, I know I (and i assume many others like me) won't put pride, faith and money into an intake that a company does not take pride in.

There is still time to get in the game OTR intake, you have many potential buyers that need you to step up.
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Still waiting for those OTR intakes(Vararam, New Era) to show up and let us know if they are in or why they are not. I know that I was leaning towards them but not if they don't stand behind their product. It makes me wonder... oh well, I know I (and i assume many others like me) won't put pride, faith and money into an intake that a company does not take pride in.

There is still time to get in the game OTR intake, you have many potential buyers that need you to step up.
Apparently you haven't read this thread.

Vararam isn't out yet and they don't want to send a beta intake for testing when they are still make adjustments.

New Era will send one after they catch up on their customer orders.
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What is the big deal? It's a serious question not trying to start anything. From all the talk of gains from other threads your only talking about 1 to 5 hp difference from CAI to CAI right? No too mention the differences from car to, you can check 10 or 100 cars, the avg. difference will still net the same. I mean look at all the dyno runs made, not one car pulled the same number, in stock configuration or modd'ed configuration, never the same. Even 3 pulls from the same car is not the same.

A CAI is not the end all performance adder. They are all the same in my opinion. Duking out for the best CAI is cool but the overall difference is mostlikely not going to be much. Seems like there is a huge work up for not much. IMO no offense intended
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Ted do you have it out for a certain manufacturer and are not telling us? It sounds like you are going to test everyone the same. I may not be a smart man, but I can change my oil (sort of). I am not asking for the full explanation, and I understand the variances allowed but it just seem like if whatever the issue is going to be a problem, why is only going to be a problem for the ONE sole manufacturer? I mean is there really going to be THAT big of a problem? If you run a race and everyone has 50 lbs of weight strapped to their back, doesn't everyone have carry the 50 lbs? Don't you still find out who is stronger?

And if you have a genuine concern why can't you just call this guy and ask some questions? I feel like I'm in a Perry Mason movie...."Your Honor I object to this test because....." (loosely translated, Um my intake may not fair to well. Everyone listen to my objection, this, and only this, is the reason my intake didn't perform well.)

OK my rant is over. I just get frustrated with people who are excuse-ers. Ted is going to a lot of trouble, and has spelled out what he is going to do, and we have people who are questioning him on a forum to seemingly discredit the testing. If you are not happy with the test, don't send your product.
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Ted do you have it out for a certain manufacturer and are not telling us? It sounds like you are going to test everyone the same. I may not be a smart man, but I can change my oil (sort of). I am not asking for the full explanation, and I understand the variances allowed but it just seem like if whatever the issue is going to be a problem, why is only going to be a problem for the ONE sole manufacturer? I mean is there really going to be THAT big of a problem? If you run a race and everyone has 50 lbs of weight strapped to their back, doesn't everyone have carry the 50 lbs? Don't you still find out who is stronger?

And if you have a genuine concern why can't you just call this guy and ask some questions? I feel like I'm in a Perry Mason movie...."Your Honor I object to this test because....." (loosely translated, Um my intake may not fair to well. Everyone listen to my objection, this, and only this, is the reason my intake didn't perform well.)

OK my rant is over. I just get frustrated with people who are excuse-ers. Ted is going to a lot of trouble, and has spelled out what he is going to do, and we have people who are questioning him on a forum to seemingly discredit the testing. If you are not happy with the test, don't send your product.
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Ted do you have it out for a certain manufacturer and are not telling us? It sounds like you are going to test everyone the same. I may not be a smart man, but I can change my oil (sort of). I am not asking for the full explanation, and I understand the variances allowed but it just seem like if whatever the issue is going to be a problem, why is only going to be a problem for the ONE sole manufacturer? I mean is there really going to be THAT big of a problem? If you run a race and everyone has 50 lbs of weight strapped to their back, doesn't everyone have carry the 50 lbs? Don't you still find out who is stronger?

And if you have a genuine concern why can't you just call this guy and ask some questions? I feel like I'm in a Perry Mason movie...."Your Honor I object to this test because....." (loosely translated, Um my intake may not fair to well. Everyone listen to my objection, this, and only this, is the reason my intake didn't perform well.)

OK my rant is over. I just get frustrated with people who are excuse-ers. Ted is going to a lot of trouble, and has spelled out what he is going to do, and we have people who are questioning him on a forum to seemingly discredit the testing. If you are not happy with the test, don't send your product.
Not sure that I quite follow this 100% especially the first sentence.
The rest is understandable.

Let me say this in response to the first sentence.

I Ted Jannetty Do Not Manufacture Cold Air Kits of any kind, I am not friends with anyone who manufactures cold air kits, I have a completely open mind and will let the results speak for themselves.

I am doing this To find out for myself What is out there and What works best for my customers, I am a perfectionist and want to share what I know and learn with my customers.

I am a bonafide Car Nut, I love what I do with passion for perfection, I want my cake and eat it too.

I am 45 years old have been in business since age 22, I started with a $10,000 loan from the bank with my dad cosigning and 1700 sq ft. 1 bay garage

I built my business on customer service and attention to detail, 23 years later we are at 9000 square ft in 2 buildings with 8 employees who I personally trained for each position and all of the best equipment available.

I hope this answers some of the questions of my credibility.

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Thanks, Ted.

Thanks for your time and effort on this. I am sure you know, no matter what it is, there will always be those internet-based "experts" who feel they have to say something about something.

None of us is paying you to do this so take your time. I, for one, just thankful someone is doing it.
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