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Old 09-22-2009, 07:29 PM   #51
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Exactly, I am glad someone is deciding to do this. I will make sure one ships out tomorrow.
Thank you LMR, that is 3 solid commitments, anyone else?

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Old 09-22-2009, 08:04 PM   #52
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:13 PM   #53
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When will this test be happening? We would like to send a TSP intake for testing.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:01 PM   #54
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Sweet. Looks like I have 3 potential suppliers of my upcoming CAI purchase then.

I am soooooo tuned in to this CAI shootout. To me, any producer of a CAI that opts out of this is pretty much admitting to being a farce.


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Old 09-22-2009, 09:16 PM   #55
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OK, A Mass Air meter is calibrated in its original pipe/Air box in a Lab, X mass of air produces X Hz signal, the computer program has this information stored in what we call the Maf Transfer Function or Maf Calibration table.

When ever a Mass air meter is moved to another size, Shape, bend, pipe or exposed to another style air filter, 1 of 2 things happens, X Mass of air produces either less or more of a Hz signal.

The computer inturputes this as Less or More air respectively, and fueling is almost totally reliant on this signal.

Lets say we move more air but produce less Hz signal, this would cause a lean condition that the Fuel trims would have to make up for this by adding fuel initially in the short terms then stored permanately in the Long terms.

So If you look at your Long terms you can pretty much tell by what percent the Maf Transfer function is Skewed.

Now this also affects way more than just the fuel trims, it affects what I call the load calculations, which in turn affect where on the timing table the computer will select the timing cell with a number in it.

If you have ever looked at a timing table they typically have less timing at higher loads and more timing at lower loads.

So if above example would take place the computer would not reach the actual load value and select and higher timing value leading to the knock sensors pulling more timing.

I can't begin to tell you how complex this really is but this is a very short version of what happens when you change out your air box and move the mass air meter.

More air still means more power But the computer must be calibrated to maximize the benefits.

Years ago, the calibrations were no where near as complex and accurate as they are today, and the aftermarket cashed in on this with simple bolt ons to clean up already very rich or lax timing calibrations, and it worked quite well.

The cars and computers today are much more complex and much more accurate than I have ever seen in the past.

It was common to find 20-25 hp in a tune alone, Not today we only see 5-10 available and have to work pretty hard to get it.

Hope this answers your questions.


Very nicely said! GM is spot on with their LS3 timing tables! The days of tuning a 02 F-body are dead. We will see which companies have done their homework as far as testing their intakes before selling them.


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Old 09-22-2009, 10:14 PM   #56
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Ted,

This testing is a great idea. How about posting the MAP at 6000 RPM. The stock intake on my L99 is usually 4 less than atmosphere on my logs. There could be a significant difference between them and might serve as a good airflow indicator for those that tune theirs.

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Old 09-22-2009, 10:29 PM   #57
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Ted, I will send you my CAI from Hennessey/K&N - the only catch is i can only send it out next Monday - as I leave for South Africa for over a week and since it will just be sitting shy not find out how it works - PM me with the shipping details - I will pay for shipping to and from - I would expect maybe at tops 1-2 days air del.

What are your thoughts on private submission?
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Ted, I will send you my CAI from Hennessey/K&N - the only catch is i can only send it out next Monday - as I leave for South Africa for over a week and since it will just be sitting shy not find out how it works - PM me with the shipping details - I will pay for shipping to and from - I would expect maybe at tops 1-2 days air del.

What are your thoughts on private submission?
He needs brand new units that are currently in production..Not some take-off unit :(

John H has no reason not to expidite one of these new in the box to Jannetty Racing.

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1.Needs to evaluate the packaging,size of the box(big boxes cost alot to ship and nobody wants to pay for un necessary air in a box)
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3.The overall condition of the parts when they arrive.
4.Needs to ensure all parts are there for proper install.

These are all things one should consider from ADM perspective.

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This is a small list of things I believe they will be looking for along with
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interesting.... very interesting!
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When will Henessey step up til the plate and send there CAI for testing. I have issues with how hot the aluminum air tube gets. They did try to address my concerns, however was not able to reach the contact person at the number they provided.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:23 AM   #62
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When will Henessey step up til the plate and send there CAI for testing. I have issues with how hot the aluminum air tube gets. They did try to address my concerns, however was not able to reach the contact person at the number they provided
The best way to address this is to install a Maggie!! Since then it hasn't been warm really at all!
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When will this test be happening? We would like to send a TSP intake for testing.
ASAP or as soon as I get all of them here.

Send it off.

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He needs brand new units that are currently in production..Not some take-off unit :(

John H has no reason not to expidite one of these new in the box to Jannetty Racing.

Reason:

1.Needs to evaluate the packaging,size of the box(big boxes cost alot to ship and nobody wants to pay for un necessary air in a box)
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4.Needs to ensure all parts are there for proper install.

These are all things one should consider from ADM perspective.

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This is a small list of things I believe they will be looking for along with
Like he said.

Thank you for the offer though.
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Why should you get a discount and everyone else pays the advertised price? I am sure if you buy more than one you and/or I would both be allowed to ask for a discount. Plus, you get what you pay for.
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Why would any of the vendors want to give us a discount because they win the test? If I was in CT I'd go to Ted's and let him tune my car just to give him some business as a way of saying thank you for doing this!
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Like he said.

Thank you for the offer though.
Ted will you be testing these on the L99 as well as the LS3?
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Ted will you be testing these on the L99 as well as the LS3?
I've got an L99 that would love to be a test-bed.... haha.
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I believe for it to be a fair shootout both platforms should be tested.
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Ted will you be testing these on the L99 as well as the LS3?
I am certainly considering it, the problem comes in with the auto on the dyno.

In order to get a fair test the transmisson must be locked in high gear with converter locked to make a full sweep from 2000 to 6400.

The transmission will not stay in one gear otherwise.

I can easily do this but it cost 100.00 for the HP tuner license for that car so it will be up to the customer lending his or her car for the testing.

I am already incuring a tremedous cost, just trying to keep it under control.

Since both engines use the same air box mass air meter I expect similar results.

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Thank you for the offer, we should talk.
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I had already ordered my Roto-fab CAI when this thread started. It arrived undamaged and neatly packed in a cutout foam base. I just finished the install and did a fuse pull overnight. I am very happy with the quality, color instructions and the easy install. :w00t

Personally, I expect all CAI's to produce about the same amount of increase. I based my purchase on the comments shared on this forum and the details of the product. Honestly, when it arrived it exceeded my expectations when I inspected the craftsmanship of the product.

I'm really disappointed that Roto-fab has not responded or provided a reason for not participating in this test. I don't race and I just wanted a good CAI for the money. I'm still satisfied that Roto-fab is a good value and don't regret my purchase............ but com'on guys. Hell, if I had not installed it already I would have shipped it for testing. Hellooooo............you guys are on this forum all the time.

I'm a customer, and I'm calling y'all out and throwing down the bull$**t card!
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