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Old 09-22-2009, 09:31 AM   #1
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Camaro Z28 (HP Edition) FACTS:

Let's post all verified information about the Z28 here. Please include sources for all information in the post. This thread is for INFORMATIONAL purposes only and no other discussion will be allowed. Also note, that we are a long ways away from seeing Z28 and many things can change along the way.

Please feel free to post anything you've found in here; this STICKY will be updated as often as possible. I'll leave information that's yet to be confirmed, though we have, probably, a fair idea on what the bottom line will be (i.e. the wheel image below from the CTS-V).

Thanks for sharing! Let's go 'Stang hunting

EDIT: To all those with the enthusiastic posts, I'm sorry, but I had to clean the thread up. I hope you all understand

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The latest and greatest information thread with spyshots thread

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"As reported on HOMEPAGE.

This just in from BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet, who has just attended a National Chevrolet Dealer's meeting where among other things, the upcoming "Camaro Z28" or "HP Edition" model was confirmed and discussed!

Here are the confirmed details from the meeting:
  1. Production begins January 1, 2012
  2. Internally referred to as the "HP Edition" model (it was not actually referred to as "Z28" during the meeting)
  3. 6.2L supercharged engine
  4. Magnetic Ride suspension
  5. 285F / 330R tires
  6. Hood design to have louvre/slat design seen in spy photos (dealers in attendance were shown a gray Z28 model)
  7. Slight (not major) updates to the interior, with some brighter trimwork
As for the 2012 Camaro generally, the 45th anniversary edition (which we discussed here) will be for both coupe and convertible models. It will come in carbon flash color with all black interior and unique wheels.

Some additional (but unconfirmed) details thought to be related:
  • It's going to be bad-@$$
  • The Z28 is NOT "above" an SS, and an SS is NOT "above" a Z28
  • 550+ horsepower LS-engine based around the LSA (556/551 HP/TQ)
  • Package specific upgrades, including:
    - Body kit (revised front bumper fascia - some similarity to Bumblebee v2 in TFROTF; different grille mesh, revised hood - like the Bumblebee v2 hood in TFROTF, revised rear bumper fascia, 20-inch "tuning-fork" five-spoke wheels)
    - Possible chassis tuning including suspension/tires/wheels pending...
  • CTS-V-style front brakes
  • Certification for engine/transmission changes pending
  • Six-speed manual transmission may be the only transmission available, unless GM can piggy-back CTS-V certs'
  • Weight will probably be around 4000 lbs.
  • Pricing purportedlyless than Corvette (which model - unknown...)

See the most current spy shots threads here

Sources:
BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet - Edmunds - Inside Line


Comments by Ed Welburn, GM Vice President for Global Design
Excerpts from the book, "Camaro : American Icon" with Yup Lee, Executive Lead Designer for the Camaro Concept and Production Vehicle
Comments by Al Oppenheiser, the Vehicle Chief Engineer for the 5th Generation 2010 Chevrolet Camaro
Comments by Mark Ruess, GM North America President

Probably the most accepted concept images and relatively recent spyshots from (Camaro - An American Icon provided the Design Studio images;Nürburgring Nordschleife; 3 - Denver, CO;near the 'Ring;unknown location;Denver, CO; near the 'Ring):
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NOTE: There is no official release, for any details, of LSA in Camaro; this is information for CTS-V.



Some more pics' and a LOT of great information: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44331


2010 "LSA" 6.2L V-8 SC (LSA)

2010 Model Year Summary

 Carryover Gen IV Small-Block V-8 for 2010 Cadillac CTS-V
 Gen VI Supercharger with Twin Four-Lobe Rotors
 Integrated Air-to-Liquid Intercooler
 Enhanced Gen IV Cylinder Block
 Hypereutectic Aluminum Pistons with Oil-Spray Cooling
 Lightweight Reciprocating Assembly
 Lower Lift, Low Overlap Cam
 High-Flow Rotacast Cylinder Heads
 Center-Feed Fuel System
 Direct-Mount Ignition Coils
 E67 Control Module
 Upgraded Oiling System
 Revised Accessory Drive
 High-Moly Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds with Close-Coupled Catalysts
 Acoustic Engine Cover

Many more LSA images found here:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en...ual/09lsa.html
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These pages may be severely trimmed back to get back to the topic; I just wanted to let everyone know so no one would be offended I'm certainly guilty of participating, too

Respectfully...
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NOTE: There is no official release, for any details, of LSA in Camaro; this is information for CTS-V.



Some more pics' and a LOT of great information: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44331


2010 "LSA" 6.2L V-8 SC (LSA)

2010 Model Year Summary

 Carryover Gen IV Small-Block V-8 for 2010 Cadillac CTS-V
 Gen VI Supercharger with Twin Four-Lobe Rotors
 Integrated Air-to-Liquid Intercooler
 Enhanced Gen IV Cylinder Block
 Hypereutectic Aluminum Pistons with Oil-Spray Cooling
 Lightweight Reciprocating Assembly
 Lower Lift, Low Overlap Cam
 High-Flow Rotacast Cylinder Heads
 Center-Feed Fuel System
 Direct-Mount Ignition Coils
 E67 Control Module
 Upgraded Oiling System
 Revised Accessory Drive
 High-Moly Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds with Close-Coupled Catalysts
 Acoustic Engine Cover

Many more LSA images found here:
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en...ual/09lsa.html
You left out details of the CTS-V brakes???
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You left out details of the CTS-V brakes???
AH!!! Good catch. I'll get those back on there Thank you, Pete
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The rear tire size may be less than fact. My source is a phone conversation with someone who was at the Vegas meeting and they said rears were 305, not 330.
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The rear tire size may be less than fact. My source is a phone conversation with someone who was at the Vegas meeting and they said rears were 305, not 330.
When I look at the images and videos, they look like 305s to me, and certainly not larger than 315s. However - we're going with the information we've received. If it changes, though, believe we'll update the information Until I get a source I can post, this is how I have to leave it
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The rear tire size may be less than fact. My source is a phone conversation with someone who was at the Vegas meeting and they said rears were 305, not 330.

You could very well be right, the info was presented
very fast. I'll try to verify the correct size.
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When I look at the images and videos, they look like 305s to me, and certainly not larger than 315s. However - we're going with the information we've received. If it changes, though, believe we'll update the information Until I get a source I can post, this is how I have to leave it
I dreamed I saw a vehicle I suspect was a Z28. It had 315/30/20 rears. It is my opinion they did not come close to meeting OE criteria for clearance. A 305/30/20 would have been close to OE acceptable. Since this is the fact thread and I only dreamed this I probably should not have posted it.
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MOTOR TREND - VP Karl Stracke eludes to Fact Z will be on APHA at intro.

Scroll down 6 tabs to exact comment once on page. Somehow this makes me think they ARE indeed saving the Z/28 name for the Alpha and the HP is a bridge to the future.......


"Stracke said he was overruled and the product team was given marching orders to bring to make the production car as close to concept as possible — with little regard for such practical tweaks.

Stracke said that kind of mistake won’t happen again.; And that we’ll see hints of it starting with future models (hinting at the Z/28 again…) and when the all-new, Alpha-based (not Holden/Zeta) Camaro makes its debut.

“We need to win,” he said repeatedly. “Not just shoot for the middle.” "



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I dreamed I saw a vehicle I suspect was a Z28. It had 315/30/20 rears. It is my opinion they did not come close to meeting OE criteria for clearance. A 305/30/20 would have been close to OE acceptable. Since this is the fact thread and I only dreamed this I probably should not have posted it.
I didn't think they'd fit nor would the ride quality have been there either, with that short sidewall. It seems to me that if you think the clearance isn't there, I'm sure GM would probably be along similar lines. Those tires just don't look that wide.
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Scroll down 6 tabs to exact comment once on page. Somehow this makes me think they ARE indeed saving the Z/28 name for the Alpha and the HP is a bridge to the future.......


"Stracke said he was overruled and the product team was given marching orders to bring to make the production car as close to concept as possible — with little regard for such practical tweaks.

Stracke said that kind of mistake won’t happen again.; And that we’ll see hints of it starting with future models (hinting at the Z/28 again…) and when the all-new, Alpha-based (not Holden/Zeta) Camaro makes its debut.

“We need to win,” he said repeatedly. “Not just shoot for the middle.” "



Read more: http://blogs.motortrend.com/gm-vp-z2...#ixzz1B2PG9HfH


http://blogs.motortrend.com/gm-vp-z2...lpha-2619.html
That would be the 6th Gen Camaro on alpha, future product.
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That would be the 6th Gen Camaro on alpha, future product.
That is the implication.. And it is a quote not heretofore mentioned in this thread that directly relates.
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That is the implication.. And it is a quote not heretofore mentioned in this thread that directly relates.
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Thanks, Mark - I almost had to delete ANOTHER one, jerk

I'll clean up again later. This is the messiest thread of all time.
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This is the messiest thread of all time.
Passion and life are messy -- and I love it! Now back to the rocket launcher option....



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That would be the 6th Gen Camaro on alpha, future product.
Right. Due mid-decade....the 5th gen Z28 or 'HP Edition' and the alpha-based 6th gen Camaro are two different things he's discussing in that quote.

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Thanks, Mark - I almost had to delete ANOTHER one, jerk

I'll clean up again later. This is the messiest thread of all time.
It's not messy in here to anyone besides us...there are a total of 18 posts to view in here....
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Scroll down 6 tabs to exact comment once on page. Somehow this makes me think they ARE indeed saving the Z/28 name for the Alpha and the HP is a bridge to the future.......
9 times out of 10, its better to read the actual lines rather than between them ... the information is usually more accurate. He didn't say 'Z28', and for what its worth, he didn't say 'HP edition' either. All he said was 'future models', which could mean the next cars in the Synergy Series, the entire 2012 line up, the Z28, the HP Edition (if it isn't the Z28), or something else entirely.

The 'alpha based Camaro' isn't going to be any sort of sub-line for one specific model, it will be every single Camaro built in the next generation, expected sometime around 2015.
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The LSA powered Camaro is being discussed by Chevrolet as the HP Edition. I am starting the campaign for any name but the HP Edition with this suggestion.

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Did anybody hear back from BeckyD or any of the other dealers in attendance about the actual rear tire size?
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Did anybody hear back from BeckyD or any of the other dealers in attendance about the actual rear tire size?
I would place my bet on 305s in the rear.
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I would place my bet on 305s in the rear.
Though I'd like from 315-325s, I'm really thinking, from all the profile views I've seen, that Pete's correct. Hopefully Becky can find something out. We'll all know soon enough
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"As reported on HOMEPAGE.

This just in from BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet, who has just attended a National Chevrolet Dealer's meeting where among other things, the upcoming "Camaro Z28" or "HP Edition" model was confirmed and discussed!

Here are the confirmed details from the meeting:
  1. Production begins January 1, 2012
  2. Internally referred to as the "HP Edition" model (it was not actually referred to as "Z28" during the meeting)
  3. 6.2L supercharged engine
  4. Magnetic Ride suspension
  5. 285F / 330R tires
  6. Hood design to have louvre/slat design seen in spy photos (dealers in attendance were shown a gray Z28 model)
  7. Slight (not major) updates to the interior, with some brighter trimwork
.

Some additional (but unconfirmed) details thought to be related:
  • It's going to be bad-@$$
  • The Z28 is NOT "above" an SS, and an SS is NOT "above" a Z28
  • 550+ horsepower LS-engine based around the LSA (556/551 HP/TQ)
  • Package specific upgrades, including:
    - Body kit (revised front bumper fascia - some similarity to Bumblebee v2 in TFROTF; different grille mesh, revised hood - like the Bumblebee v2 hood in TFROTF, revised rear bumper fascia, 20-inch "tuning-fork" five-spoke wheels)
    - Possible chassis tuning including suspension/tires/wheels pending...
  • CTS-V-style front brakes
  • Certification for engine/transmission changes pending
  • Six-speed manual transmission may be the only transmission available, unless GM can piggy-back CTS-V certs'
  • Weight will probably be around 4000 lbs.
  • Pricing purportedlyless than Corvette (which model - unknown...)
These are not facts! Good grief man. This is supposed to be a fact only thread and you are posting something that has not been confirmed by General Motors. I don't care what was supposedly said a dealer meeting, until we get info from a GM representitive, not a sales person, this info can not and should not be posted anywhere on Camaro5.com as fact.
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These are not facts! Good grief man. This is supposed to be a fact only thread and you are posting something that has not been confirmed by General Motors. I don't care what was supposedly said a dealer meeting, until we get info from a GM representitive, not a sales person, this info can not and should not be posted anywhere on Camaro5.com as fact.
We consider it factual based on our regard for the source, or it wouldn't be in here....but this site itself was built around speculation, so feel free to consider it nothing more than that if you like.
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