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Old 09-27-2009, 07:03 PM   #1
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Thumbs up What we want to see on and in the Z28

So like the title said "What we want to see on and in the Z28" lets see if we can a list of things gm needs to put in the Z28.

motor: Me i like a aluminum lsx-454

look: Carbon fiber hood & roof & fenders

Suspension: Multi Adjustable Coilover and HD Bushings all the way a round And HD sway bars

Tires and rims i hope to see 295/40/18 on the front and 335/35/19 tires and light rims.

exhaust: full length headers and 3" exhaust,

Rear end: we want some 373 gears and HD rear axles and HD diff as well as a Carbon fiber drive shaft.

trans: a HD T6060 not this P. S. something that can take 700-1000 HP

Any one have more to add?, I forgot 2 things.

Price: under $ 47,000 with all of this.

Weight: This is the most important of all lets see if we can get it at 3600 lb or less.
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supercharged motor and a price under $44,000. Other than that, I do not really care!
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Free............. LOL. 500+ horses.
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Here's some things i'd ask for:

1. Cammed 600hp LS7 (lots of power, with less weight than supercharging)
2. 3.93 rear ratio
3. Stinger hood instead of the Bumblebee hood (same function better fashion)
4. Lengths taken to drastically lighten the car, shoot for 3600 or better
5. Lets please not make these rediculous rims any more rediculously huge, LOL
6. A stripped down 1LE package that goes beyond 1Z/28 or 2Z/28 including radio delete, AC delete, and any other major racing weight savers
7. Edit the fog lights from the Bumblebee prototype, those look cheap
8. lower the car and aim for a 50-50 weight balance
9. Z/28 badging rather than the cheap Z28 trademark badging (my petty prefference)
10. Z/28 specifc colors and cosmetic effects (such as stripe packaging)
11. Emphasis taken to make the 2SS the MOST luxuries Camaro, the 2Z/28 is a little more comforting but is still rather stripped for performance
12. Racing adjustable suspension, especially to keep the power planted to the ground (GT500's major weakness)
13. NO production number cap, this should be a mass produced car, if you're willing to pay we will make you one, no BS
14. I support Manual and Auto both since Autos can now out-perform Manual, but lets see interior aftermarket upgrades like short-throw Hurst shifter
15. Anything else we can cram into it or remove to make the car better =D
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So like the title said "What we want to see on and in the Z28" lets see if we can a list of things gm needs to put in the Z28.

motor: Me i like a aluminum lsx-454

look: Carbon fiber hood & roof & fenders

Suspension: Multi Adjustable Coilover and HD Bushings all the way a round And HD sway bars

Tires and rims i hope to see 295/40/18 on the front and 335/35/19 tires and light rims.

exhaust: full length headers and 3" exhaust,

Rear end: we want some 373 gears and HD rear axles and HD diff as well as a Carbon fiber drive shaft.

trans: a HD T6060 not this P. S. something that can take 700-1000 HP

Any one have more to add?, I forgot 2 things.

Price: under $ 47,000 with all of this.

Weight: This is the most important of all lets is if we can get it at 3600 lb or less.
None of this will ever make it to a production Camaro.
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:05 PM   #7
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hmm...

There are a ton of specific things I'd like to see...but I believe that it's not the parts of the whole that matter...but the whole itself. So....

I'd like to see a Z28 with exceptional handling abilities. If you have to put a reference to it...somewhere in between a base and Z51 Corvette. And I mean real-world handling...not "max g", or "figure 8s". It should be confident and inspiring around a road course. See: CTS-V...

I'd like to see a Z28 with power/gears/tires that allow it to run a 12.3 or better quarter mile and actually get traction in the first 60 fit. It should also be able to stop in the same ~106 ft as the SS. Bigger brake calipers aren't necessary.

I'd like to see a Z28 with unique a body treatment that includes the Halo HID lights standard; and unique, skinny-spoked rims (like the Z06, or CTS-V). This body treatment should also be focused around functional things, like aero/high-speed stability, and maybe directed brake cooling.

I'd also like to see a unique interior (badging, seating surfaces) with an interior upgrade option(s)...including Recaro seats and maybe a leather-wrap treatment like the Vette.

The price should be somewhere around $48,000 MSRP.

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hmm...

There are a ton of specific things I'd like to see...but I believe that it's not the parts of the whole that matter...but the whole itself. So....

I'd like to see a Z28 with exceptional handling abilities. If you have to put a reference to it...somewhere in between a base and Z51 Corvette. And I mean real-world handling...not "max g", or "figure 8s". It should be confident and inspiring around a road course. See: CTS-V...

I'd like to see a Z28 with power/gears/tires that allow it to run a 12.3 or better quarter mile and actually get traction in the first 60 fit. It should also be able to stop in the same ~106 ft as the SS. Bigger brake calipers aren't necessary.

I'd like to see a Z28 with unique a body treatment that includes the Halo HID lights standard; and unique, skinny-spoked rims (like the Z06, or CTS-V). This body treatment should also be focused around functional things, like aero/high-speed stability, and maybe directed brake cooling.

I'd also like to see a unique interior (badging, seating surfaces) with an interior upgrade option(s)...including Recaro seats and maybe a leather-wrap treatment like the Vette.

The price should be somewhere around $48,000 MSRP.


Nice approach, i like how you just give the specs of what you're looking for and will leave it up to GM to make the call on what specific parts to put in to make it happen, i agree with basically all of it, very good list here, the only thing id say is try to keep the price around $41k-$44k hopefully, just to keep it competitive with Ford and Mopar...i love the high speed stability stuff and the unique interior treatment as well, also maybe bigger brake rotors? Track testers have said the GT500 brakes get squishy real quick so lets try to up the anti on that, also id say lets keep this a strictly performance car with very few hints to luxury, cause if someone wanted luxury they could buy the CTS-V, leave the Z/28 to the performance district where it belongs
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I see the Z/28 differently......

Light weight rotors
Upgraded brakes
Lighter wheels 18 or 19inch
Tuned suspension
Lower gearing
Aggresive tune from factory
Free flowing intake and exhaust
Upgraded seats
Option to have it loaded like a 2SS or LS stlyle



Then have a all out super charged beast to challenge the other big boys in the class.... LZ1 style
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Nice approach, i like how you just give the specs of what you're looking for and will leave it up to GM to make the call on what specific parts to put in to make it happen, i agree with basically all of it, very good list here, the only thing id say is try to keep the price around $41k-$44k hopefully, just to keep it competitive with Ford and Mopar...i love the high speed stability stuff and the unique interior treatment as well, also maybe bigger brake rotors? Track testers have said the GT500 brakes get squishy real quick so lets try to up the anti on that, also id say lets keep this a strictly performance car with very few hints to luxury, cause if someone wanted luxury they could buy the CTS-V, leave the Z/28 to the performance district where it belongs
Thank you. I think really the right way to approach this. Lay out a series of goals, and let the professionals get there.

As for price...competitive is a frame of mind...right now, the Camaro is outselling the Mustang, and selling x5+ as many Challengers. Yet it costs a little more... Given that the SRT8 is a joke as far as pricing, I think Chevy can comfortably approach the GT500...and if the performance is as listed above -- it will be competitive at 48k.

And brakes -- testers comment that the Camaro's brakes feel like something out of a Porche....so if it doesn't need anything bigger to deliver super-car stopping distances (106 ft is about the same distance as a C6 Z06, fyi) -- "why spend the money(and weight) on them?" is my thinking.

As far as luxury...I think it should be offered...if only because a few people have taken issue with the interior materials. I figure if they can swing it without adding too much to the base price of the car, it would be an excellent feature to through in the Mustang's face. Racing seats...tell me that wouldn't put a reviewer over-the-top?
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I see the Z/28 differently......

Light weight rotors
Upgraded brakes
Lighter wheels 18 or 19inch
Tuned suspension
Lower gearing
Aggresive tune from factory
Free flowing intake and exhaust
Upgraded seats
Option to have it loaded like a 2SS or LS stlyle



Then have a all out super charged beast to challenge the other big boys in the class.... LZ1 style
Hm, there's an idea, have the base Z/28 be a step up from the SS but not quite a GT500 killer, but then have a 1LE super-performance package that can be ordered with the Z that is meant specificly for track performance and eating Shelby's alliivveee
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You dont want much do you?
Not much i think it can be done and a LSX -454 Weights lees than a LSA

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supercharged motor and a price under $44,000. Other than that, I do not really care!
If you do the # a LSA motor is 19211708 - GMPP LSA 6.2L 556 HP Supercharged Crate Engine Pace Price $14,295.95

A ls3 is: Details 19211709 - LS3 6.2L Gen IV Engine Pace Price $6,189.95

So you see that the dif is 8,000+ and that is not any thing more and the rear dif will not take this HP.
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Free............. LOL. 500+ horses.
At free can i get 2.
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Here's some things i'd ask for:


6. A stripped down 1LE package that goes beyond 1Z/28 or 2Z/28 including radio delete, AC delete, and any other major racing weight savers
Thats what I posted in an earlier thread!
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Not much i think it can be done and a LSX -454 Weights lees than a LSA
Just seems like a awfull lot for under 47k
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I doubt an LSX engine will ever make it beyond crate engine form, isnt it just a block anyways?

Also Arkanian, if you're reffering to the ambient lighting, that comes standard in 2SS and 2LT trims, you just have to get it installed by the dealer or install it yourself since it doesnt come completely hooked up from the factory

And GM4Lyfe, i think i remember seeing that post, haha, either way it was a great idea and i totally support it

Last but not least i agree, no fake scoops, id rather see a stinger hood than that bulgy hot-wheels inspired Bumblebee hood, but i definatly want to keep it functional, and when i mean functional i mean i want it to serve a purpose rather than just blow air into the engine compartment, hook the intake right up in front of the scoop
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I doubt an LSX engine will ever make it beyond crate engine form, isnt it just a block anyways?

Also Arkanian, if you're reffering to the ambient lighting, that comes standard in 2SS and 2LT trims, you just have to get it installed by the dealer or install it yourself since it doesnt come completely hooked up from the factory

And GM4Lyfe, i think i remember seeing that post, haha, either way it was a great idea and i totally support it

Last but not least i agree, no fake scoops, id rather see a stinger hood than that bulgy hot-wheels inspired Bumblebee hood, but i definatly want to keep it functional, and when i mean functional i mean i want it to serve a purpose rather than just blow air into the engine compartment, hook the intake right up in front of the scoop
exactly, should come already installed, and complete around the entire door trim as shown...
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And GM4Lyfe, i think i remember seeing that post, haha, either way it was a great idea and i totally support it
Just giving you a hard time.
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Not much i think it can be done and a LSX -454 Weights lees than a LSA



If you do the # a LSA motor is 19211708 - GMPP LSA 6.2L 556 HP Supercharged Crate Engine Pace Price $14,295.95

A ls3 is: Details 19211709 - LS3 6.2L Gen IV Engine Pace Price $6,189.95

So you see that the dif is 8,000+ and that is not any thing more and the rear dif will not take this HP.


At free can i get 2.
Actually I believe Scott said the rear components for the Camaro had been tested to 600hp,

In any event its probaly irrelevant. IF they put the LSA, in they will probably use the rest of the drive train from the CTS-V with its 3.73 gears and it Can handle the Hp.
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At this point im just worried that we're gonna end up with a re-badged, re-skinned CTS-V...havent we seen enough of that from GM already? I dont think i can ever trust re-badging again since it crushed my beloved Pontiac :'(
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I doubt an LSX engine will ever make it beyond crate engine form, isnt it just a block anyways?

Also Arkanian, if you're reffering to the ambient lighting, that comes standard in 2SS and 2LT trims, you just have to get it installed by the dealer or install it yourself since it doesnt come completely hooked up from the factory

And GM4Lyfe, i think i remember seeing that post, haha, either way it was a great idea and i totally support it

Last but not least i agree, no fake scoops, id rather see a stinger hood than that bulgy hot-wheels inspired Bumblebee hood, but i definatly want to keep it functional, and when i mean functional i mean i want it to serve a purpose rather than just blow air into the engine compartment, hook the intake right up in front of the scoop
Dos this look like a block only.


And this is the info on this lsx-454 it has the new heads and block 6 bolts.
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19170112 - GMPP LSX454 620 HP Crate Engine 19170112
Available Late October

Detailed Description

LSX 454 Crate Engine

An engine with 454 cubic inches will always be assosiated with higher performance Chvys, and that tradition continues with the all new LSX454 crate engine. We started with the new LSX bowtie block, stuffed it with an all-forged, super tough rotating assembly, bolted on a pair of our new deep breathing LSX six-bolt cylinder heads and topped of the combination with a high rise intake & four barrel induction system.

The new LSX six bolt cylinder heads are based on the race-derived LS7 heads that help deliver more than 500 horsepower in the Corvette Z06. They enable tremendous low end torque and great high RPm power. The LSX 454 is delivered in deluxe form, so you get everything from the carburetor to the water pump (oil pan not included). It also comes dressed with great looking, all new orange powder-coated valve covers with 'LSX 454" logos engraved and painted in black.

Note:

Oil pan and oil pump pickup are not included. LSX valve covers do not have coil mount provisions, coils will need to be relocated

LSX454 Specifications

* Engine type - LSX series Gen IV small block V8
* Displacement - 454 CID (7.4L)
* Bore & Stroke - 4.185" X 4.125" (106.3mm X 104.8mm)
* Block - 19243172 LSX cast iron block with cross bolted 6 bolt main caps
* Crankshaft - 19170391 Forged steel
* Pistons - 19166958 Forged aluminum
* Camshaft - Hydraulic roller - .635" / .635", 236 / 246 duration @ .050"
* Cylinder heads - 19201806 Aluminum LSX- LS7 port with 70cc chambers
* Valve size - 2.20" titanium intake, 1.61" exhaust
* Compression ratio - 11.0:1
* Rocker arms - 1.8:1 aluminum roller trunion
* Reccomended fuel - 92 octane
* Reluctor wheel - 58X
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At this point im just worried that we're gonna end up with a re-badged, re-skinned CTS-V...havent we seen enough of that from GM already? I dont think i can ever trust re-badging again since it crushed my beloved Pontiac :'(
You won't because the CTS-V uses the Sigma platform and the Camaro uses the modified Zeta platform.
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