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Old 09-28-2009, 08:24 PM   #51
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Huh....apparently, there are many ideas being thrown around...the good news?

So far, every option we've heard has been fantastic!!


...I'm going to have an anxiety attack, though....
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:28 PM   #52
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Huh....apparently, there are many ideas being thrown around...the good news?

So far, every option we've heard has been fantastic!!


...I'm going to have an anxiety attack, though....

HAAAAAAA... See Number 3 Im not the only one yall are giving issues!!!!

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Old 09-28-2009, 08:31 PM   #53
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Hmmmm, I would say that past history does not agree with your statement. The 28,103 Z/28s sold in '67-'69 were sold in spite of not being available with air conditioning, automatic transmisson or in a convertible. A new Z/28 does not necessarily have to appeal to the entire mass market, it only needs to appeal to those likely to buy a high performance focused automobile (which is NOT the majority of the general public). The "missing" options certainly didn't stop me from buying a new Z/28 in '69, though at my present age I'd probably like to be able to get AC, but manual transmission is the way I'd go and I really don't care for a vert.
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I would say that America is a little different now than it was 40 years ago. Comparing what worked in '69 to what will work now is pretty poor idea. Back then a/c was an option on all cars. Most Camaros back then didn't come with a/c. Nowdays, I can't think of a single car that doesn't come STANDARD with a/c. Times have changed a little. GM would be pretty stupid to predict sales based on what worked 40 years ago.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:33 PM   #54
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A Z/28 with an auto or convertible is not a Z/28.
A Z/28 is a streetable track car!

As a side note, I have not fantasized about a car like this since the 70's. I actually feel a little tingly.
Heeeeeeeeey, I have an auto Z28.:(
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:41 PM   #55
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Heeeeeeeeey, I have an auto Z28.:(
Sorry, it just does not fit the mold that created the Z/28.
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Old 09-29-2009, 08:28 AM   #56
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I would say that America is a little different now than it was 40 years ago. Comparing what worked in '69 to what will work now is pretty poor idea. Back then a/c was an option on all cars. Most Camaros back then didn't come with a/c. Nowdays, I can't think of a single car that doesn't come STANDARD with a/c. Times have changed a little. GM would be pretty stupid to predict sales based on what worked 40 years ago.
1LE A/C Delete.... you would be shocked at how many of these parts have been sold. (In the 4th Gen Camaros lifespan).
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Old 09-29-2009, 12:16 PM   #57
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even my truck has a different serpentine belt diagram printed under the hood for an A/C delete, so it must've been a pretty big deal. them yankees don't necessarily have to have it. heck, it's only warm enough to roll the windows down a couple days a year anyway
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Old 09-29-2009, 03:34 PM   #58
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Any word on what the numbers are on an LS9 Camaro does? Did Henessy finally deliver one or what? I want to know was it worth it or not.
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Old 09-29-2009, 03:58 PM   #59
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Any word on what the numbers are on an LS9 Camaro does? Did Henessy finally deliver one or what? I want to know was it worth it or not.
Yep, see: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43826
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you are welcome..lol..if its not supercharged i will be a fan of it
THANK YOU!!! Another N/A guy!! Give me the LS7 with all the goodies.
GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drinkin g:
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:30 PM   #61
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THANK YOU!!! Another N/A guy!! Give me the LS7 with all the goodies.
GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drinkin g:
I want to see a N/A Z/28 and a Supercharged LZ1......
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:36 PM   #62
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My vote is for the supercharged GT500 fighter to be a ZL1 or something. Save the Z28 for a lighter, but still powerful, version with trick suspension.

You guys clamor for low/no options but as far as I can tell a bluetooth unit doesn't weigh much, nor does A/C. I want to drive my car daily in the mid-atlantic and no A/C is a deal breaker about 3-4 months of the year. Not to mention defrosters don't work well when you don't have the dehumidification that A/C provides. And I have removed the air conditioning from a modern car ('95 Formula). It didn't weigh much at all. 25lbs *tops*.

Put forged 19" wheels and a carbon fiber hood on it with an LS7, maybe some aluminum suspension pieces and hollow sway bars and we're talking 150lbs at least. I'd pay more for that. Swap the exhaust and maybe we're in the 200lbs less than an SS range. Hell yeah I might even be able to take it autocrossing at that point!
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:36 PM   #63
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I'm not sure how much weight can really be gotten out of it. Especially if there is a supercharger added.
At any rate, if they don't use the Z28 name, then rename the SS the Z28. Cobalt SS is on it's way out. Does anyone ever see an Impala SS?
Any Chevy can be an SS. Only a Camaro can be a Z28.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:41 PM   #64
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1LE A/C Delete.... you would be shocked at how many of these parts have been sold. (In the 4th Gen Camaros lifespan).
Air conditioning was standard on 1LE f-bodies from '96 on. I've never seen one built MY96+ that was a delete car. Not saying they don't exist, but there used to be a bunch of 1LEs running around the SCCA Solo circuit so I had a decent sample group for reference.

I have seen an A/C delete B4C, though. Weird. I think it was from way up north.
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I was thinking if they came out with "track pack" option of their own, they could name that one 1LE. It's hard for me to believe they'll build a "super Camaro" and make it stripped. You just don't see stripped cars anymore. And i'm in Arizona. I can't even imagine a no A/C car out here. Maybe they could put some lighter weight wheels for one. But you know weight shouldn't inhibit the car totally. The new GTR is 3,860. The Ferrari 599 is right at 4,000 pounds. The Aston Martin DBS is 3,800. Not to mention the GT500 at 3,990. And it's live axle. Put lower profile tires, drop the car a quarter of an inch, and you'll pick up some handling right there.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:49 PM   #66
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My vote is for the supercharged GT500 fighter to be a ZL1 or something. Save the Z28 for a lighter, but still powerful, version with trick suspension.

You guys clamor for low/no options but as far as I can tell a bluetooth unit doesn't weigh much, nor does A/C. I want to drive my car daily in the mid-atlantic and no A/C is a deal breaker about 3-4 months of the year. Not to mention defrosters don't work well when you don't have the dehumidification that A/C provides. And I have removed the air conditioning from a modern car ('95 Formula). It didn't weigh much at all. 25lbs *tops*.

Put forged 19" wheels and a carbon fiber hood on it with an LS7, maybe some aluminum suspension pieces and hollow sway bars and we're talking 150lbs at least. I'd pay more for that. Swap the exhaust and maybe we're in the 200lbs less than an SS range. Hell yeah I might even be able to take it autocrossing at that point!
I think you have the right Idea, I would like to see a carbon fiber roof & Fenders and light wieght seats. I don't think a carbon fiber hood would cut much wieght, by my understanding it is not that heavy. I say they would have to cut about 300lbs of weight if they make the Z28 a N.A. car, and the LS7 will need to get a hp bump up to about 550hp. Forge alluminium 20" wheels with CTS-V brakes would be nice.
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Old 09-29-2009, 05:56 PM   #67
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I want to see a N/A Z/28 and a Supercharged LZ1......
I could live with that....
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Old 09-29-2009, 06:00 PM   #68
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I would say that America is a little different now than it was 40 years ago. Comparing what worked in '69 to what will work now is pretty poor idea. Back then a/c was an option on all cars. Most Camaros back then didn't come with a/c. Nowdays, I can't think of a single car that doesn't come STANDARD with a/c. Times have changed a little. GM would be pretty stupid to predict sales based on what worked 40 years ago.
Well gee, perhaps they shouldn't even build a new Z/28, after all, that's a model that came out 42 years ago! Sure America is a little different (actually a whole lot different, but that's a different thread/forum about how different), what you are not understanding is that the Z/28 based on the ideas/proposals we have seen will NOT be a high volume, mass market vehicle. Many of the "performance junkies" that will be the target market for the new Z/28 are less likely to be overly concerned about having every available amenity, most will be more concerned with the performance numbers. And in spite of a high percentage of the vehicles having AC on them in the late '60s, Z/28s sold well with no AC available. And you're losing the focus of the new Z/28, it's not so much what comfort options will or will not be available (and I think most will be available), it's about performance. You chose to focus solely on my mention of the original Z/28 not being available with AC, but it was also not available with auto transmission or in a convertible (and let me guess, you'll now be stating that people didn't buy those either "back in the day"). I worked at two dealerships back then and saw what was on the lots and what people were buying, I think I have a pretty good idea about how cars were equipped back then.
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I think you have the right Idea, I would like to see a carbon fiber roof & Fenders and light wieght seats. I don't think a carbon fiber hood would cut much wieght, by my understanding it is not that heavy. I say they would have to cut about 300lbs of weight if they make the Z28 a N.A. car, and the LS7 will need to get a hp bump up to about 550hp. Forge alluminium 20" wheels with CTS-V brakes would be nice.
Depends what you quantify as 'much' weight. In the vendors section, a new vendor has a replacement carbon fiber trunk lid and it saves somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20 pounds. A hood is way bigger than a trunk deck, so I could see saving in the area of 50 pounds... give or take a few
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:10 PM   #72
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This site takes up waayyy too much of my time. Term papers, ha!, who needs to do those? Oh wait i do, crap

lol! But really i don't care what its called, i just want to see something to compete with the shelby so that i won't here anymore of the, "well Ford has a GT500, What does Chevy have?"
Chevy has a superior car thats What!!!

...it just hasn't come out yet...
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:19 PM   #73
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And I know enthusiasts and street racers want it to be stripped bare and light, but is that what the general public really wants? I have absolutely no use for bluetooth, i actually believe it should be taken out of cars, and EVERYONE should be able to read a map, but they can't because they have technology to do everything for them, bagh! But my point amongst this rambling is that it NEEDS options to appeal to the public and not just a small fraction of the driving population. GM should keep it like they have it with options and like how Ford has their GT500, a base model and a luxury model. They need more options even cause people HAVE to have EVERY comfort possible, bagh! again.

Just my semi insane two-cents, ha
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I guess I only have interest in the 1st and 5th generation Camaros. I always thought the Z28 was top of the line, but I'm getting an education on this site. With everything I've read about the Z28 history I don't know what to think. So this is what I would like to see:

Camaro 427
Camaro Convertible 427
Camaro Supercharged
Camaro Supercharged Convertible.

I just want a Camaro Convertible with 500+HP. I would be more interested in a 427 Camaro just because I like NA engines more than forced breathing.
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Old 09-29-2009, 08:47 PM   #75
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bring back yenko? but ZL1 sounds nice too
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