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Old 09-29-2009, 07:04 PM   #69
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I would say that America is a little different now than it was 40 years ago. Comparing what worked in '69 to what will work now is pretty poor idea. Back then a/c was an option on all cars. Most Camaros back then didn't come with a/c. Nowdays, I can't think of a single car that doesn't come STANDARD with a/c. Times have changed a little. GM would be pretty stupid to predict sales based on what worked 40 years ago.
Well gee, perhaps they shouldn't even build a new Z/28, after all, that's a model that came out 42 years ago! Sure America is a little different (actually a whole lot different, but that's a different thread/forum about how different), what you are not understanding is that the Z/28 based on the ideas/proposals we have seen will NOT be a high volume, mass market vehicle. Many of the "performance junkies" that will be the target market for the new Z/28 are less likely to be overly concerned about having every available amenity, most will be more concerned with the performance numbers. And in spite of a high percentage of the vehicles having AC on them in the late '60s, Z/28s sold well with no AC available. And you're losing the focus of the new Z/28, it's not so much what comfort options will or will not be available (and I think most will be available), it's about performance. You chose to focus solely on my mention of the original Z/28 not being available with AC, but it was also not available with auto transmission or in a convertible (and let me guess, you'll now be stating that people didn't buy those either "back in the day"). I worked at two dealerships back then and saw what was on the lots and what people were buying, I think I have a pretty good idea about how cars were equipped back then.
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:04 PM   #70
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I think you have the right Idea, I would like to see a carbon fiber roof & Fenders and light wieght seats. I don't think a carbon fiber hood would cut much wieght, by my understanding it is not that heavy. I say they would have to cut about 300lbs of weight if they make the Z28 a N.A. car, and the LS7 will need to get a hp bump up to about 550hp. Forge alluminium 20" wheels with CTS-V brakes would be nice.
Depends what you quantify as 'much' weight. In the vendors section, a new vendor has a replacement carbon fiber trunk lid and it saves somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20 pounds. A hood is way bigger than a trunk deck, so I could see saving in the area of 50 pounds... give or take a few
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:23 PM   #71
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I think my passion for the 5th Gen and its upcoming models and packages has turned into a very unhealthy obsession.......
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Old 09-29-2009, 08:10 PM   #72
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This site takes up waayyy too much of my time. Term papers, ha!, who needs to do those? Oh wait i do, crap

lol! But really i don't care what its called, i just want to see something to compete with the shelby so that i won't here anymore of the, "well Ford has a GT500, What does Chevy have?"
Chevy has a superior car thats What!!!

...it just hasn't come out yet...
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Old 09-29-2009, 08:19 PM   #73
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And I know enthusiasts and street racers want it to be stripped bare and light, but is that what the general public really wants? I have absolutely no use for bluetooth, i actually believe it should be taken out of cars, and EVERYONE should be able to read a map, but they can't because they have technology to do everything for them, bagh! But my point amongst this rambling is that it NEEDS options to appeal to the public and not just a small fraction of the driving population. GM should keep it like they have it with options and like how Ford has their GT500, a base model and a luxury model. They need more options even cause people HAVE to have EVERY comfort possible, bagh! again.

Just my semi insane two-cents, ha
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Old 09-29-2009, 09:22 PM   #74
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I guess I only have interest in the 1st and 5th generation Camaros. I always thought the Z28 was top of the line, but I'm getting an education on this site. With everything I've read about the Z28 history I don't know what to think. So this is what I would like to see:

Camaro 427
Camaro Convertible 427
Camaro Supercharged
Camaro Supercharged Convertible.

I just want a Camaro Convertible with 500+HP. I would be more interested in a 427 Camaro just because I like NA engines more than forced breathing.
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Old 09-29-2009, 09:47 PM   #75
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ZL1 would be perfect.
bring back yenko? but ZL1 sounds nice too
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:16 AM   #76
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I still wished they would have released the Z/28 or whatever "this" version is going to be the first year. Most of us would have shelled out some extra G's for the top model Camaro.

Didn't GM say before they wanted the "SS" to be the top model Camaro just like other Chevy models?

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Old 09-30-2009, 12:20 AM   #77
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I still wished they would have released the Z/28 or whatever "this" version is going to be the first year. Most of us would have shelled out some extra G's for the top model Camaro.
I don't think it would have happened that way even if it was clear skys for the past few years. Generally, low-volume, "special" models like this get released a year or two after the base. Like the Corvette was released in '05, and the Z06 in '06, etc. Plus, if you want to look at it positively...this model will benefit from lessons learned from mistakes made on the first-year car, cables touching, etc.

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Didn't GM say before they wanted the "SS" to be the top model Camaro just like other Chevy models?
Very few other models have brand-specific designations like "Z28" or "Z06"...and I don't think they ever said SS was going to be the top model.
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:25 AM   #78
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Why don't you guys just stop listening to rumors and speculation...
Remember opinions are like @$$hole$, everybody has one.
Just sit back and relax and when the brochure comes out then we'll talk about it.
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:29 AM   #79
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Why don't you guys just stop listening to rumors and speculation...
Because then we wouldn't have a site, now would we?
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:32 AM   #80
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Because then we wouldn't have a site, now would we?
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:41 AM   #81
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From Super Chevy magazine October '09.
I cant find the article on their website so I dont have a link.

Now I really have no Idea what to expect......


SC:Now that the Camaro is in the showrooms and on the street, whatabout extending the model lieup with a cobertible, and possibly a Z/28 version? What would a Z/28 be like?

AO: The convertible has been announced, but it has been delayed until 2011. As far as a Z/28, or a performance version, we've had this debate internally many, many times. What would you call the performance version? A Z/28? A COPO? A Yenko? Would you bring back a nostalgic name, or not? Create a new one? The SS was always the big dog Camaro, not the Z/28. The first Z/28 was built just to get us into the racing circuit against the Mustang and all the other cars that were in that class. If you were going to take a Z/28 approach, you'd try to stay true to the RPO, build a car that you could drive daily on the street, take to the drag strip and do well, or take to the track and do well, which the original Z/28 did. Take some things out of it, get the mass down, use and existing small-block, maybe an ls7, an ls9. Make it a great performing car for the purist.
maybe z/28 and yenko don't forget ItalianRetardOnCruz I did get a little insight on a very possible yenko version that id love
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:45 AM   #82
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haha I hear that man
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:46 AM   #83
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Old 09-30-2009, 01:10 AM   #84
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I'm interested in a light camaro so a Z\28 would be right up my alley! Make a z\28 that cuts all the frills out and gets this thing down to fighting weight
ZL1= ls9 and loaded
SS= duh!
Z\28 lighter and a LS7 would be great!
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Old 09-30-2009, 01:19 AM   #85
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Why don't you guys just stop listening to rumors and speculation...
Remember opinions are like @$$hole$, everybody has one.
Just sit back and relax and when the brochure comes out then we'll talk about it.
Why? We have to gossip about something thats what car guy/gals do. Even nerds do it. We get into heated disscussions and when the dust settles we have beers.
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