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Old 09-29-2009, 05:23 PM   #1
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Pfadt Sport Sway Bar - First Hand Opinions Requested

I'm looking for feedback from people who have installed the Pfadt Sport Sway Bar package. No second hand "my friend heard.." please

There have been a lot of thread discussions on "Sway Bar theory," but I haven't seen many results oriented opinions. I've seen all the claims for what these bars will do, etc. Who can stand up and say "Yep, they're just as advertised." Include comments on what they improved or didn't improve for you.

Installation comments and photos would be great too! Thanks for the input.

Reference:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38364
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37821
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39146
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=870285
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37823

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Old 09-29-2009, 07:06 PM   #2
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Old 09-29-2009, 08:30 PM   #3
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Comment I got from Jordan at Pfadt:

My question:

Jordan,

I've read all the great posts about sway bar "theory" and such, and I'm trying to decide if I want to go with your front/rear sway bar setup or just the rear balance bar. I don't plan to lower the car, or mess with springs/etc.

I don't plan to do any roadcourse racing/etc, but I do like to drive pretty aggresive on the road. My goal is to reduce body roll and increase steering response. My big fear is getting into oversteer territory and losing the backend.

I feel I'm a very competent driver, but I'm not looking to "drift" the corners.

His response:

I would suggest our Sport Sway package. We provide balance to the chassis; we haven't gone from understeer to oversteer but rather to neutral. Pfadt Racing is a true suspension engineering company and we develop products that provide function and true performance gains.
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Old 09-29-2009, 09:31 PM   #4
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I never really tried sliding around turns before I got the sways, so I can't say much for the correcting the understeer story. I can say it turns a lot flatter. It might bring out the shortcomings in your seats.
I also wasn't able to get the old ones out without raising the engine. Install was frustrating, but I was able to handle it in my garage on jackstands (should have put the jackstands up higher though). Nothing is ever as easy as you think it's going to be though.
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:00 PM   #5
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I can say it turns a lot flatter.
So was changing the sway bars worth it? Did you gain enough improvements to justify the $ ?
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:19 PM   #6
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I personal sell the bars, and installed them on a customer car, and have driven the car bard before an after.

The install on the fronts is not too bad, but you will have to snake the sway bar out the passenger side, after unbolting the endlinks and connection points, it does slide right out though.

The Pfadt bar installs in half the time of uninstalling the stock bar, which is always nice, it just slides right in, and then torque to factory specs.

As for before an after... I drove the car at an auto cross, and my oh my the body roll, I couldn't get the car to budge the front end at all, just just laid there dead weight understeering, so i plowed through a few cones. I did get the car to improve the times on stock bars, but not much, because the brakes got a little angry left foot braking.

Now we then installed the pfadt sport bars, unfortunately I did not get to compare it on the same course, but a different one. The biggest difference I noticed was steering input, and damnit the front end of the car felt like it was were it was saposed to be. The roll was lowered, albeit still some due to the height of the car, the rear tires seemed to have a larger friction patch from quick switch back movements, and the front of the car went flat around the corners, and didnt feel miserable to turn in on.

Thats my review, I know I may not be the best (bias) because I have been selling and using pfadt products in the vette market for years, but a good product is just that. These bars make a difference, you can feel the car turn in now!!!

If you have any other questions feel free. I have ONE kit of my initial ten left here I can make you a nice offer on as well if your interested in the bars after you get more feed back

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Old 09-30-2009, 01:30 PM   #7
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Thanks for the input Brandon, and the great IPS customer service too. I placed my order on your website.
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Old 09-30-2009, 03:03 PM   #8
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I've had the Pfadt sways on my car for about 3 weeks now. They're great and well worth the money. The cars is much more responsive now. The numb on center feeling in the steering is gone. It corners much flatter. The car feels totally different with these sways. There is still some body roll, but like others have said, it's due to the height of the car. I'm sure when I drop it 1.5" it will all but disappear. The $500 these cost you is best suspension bang the buck.
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Old 09-30-2009, 03:33 PM   #9
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Installing this weekend...I'll let you know on Monday
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:20 PM   #10
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Good deal guys, keep up the rapport of this product!
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Old 10-01-2009, 09:25 AM   #11
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Ok, I received my bars the other night from Brandon - thanks!

There were NO instructions! Is it just a replacement bar for bar? Where are the torque specs to tighten all the bolts?

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Old 10-01-2009, 10:28 AM   #12
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Use the OE specs.
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Old 10-01-2009, 05:15 PM   #13
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Use the OE specs.
Ussually I see some reasonably decent answers from you but I am not even going to bother looking in the regular Camaro manual for those torque values as I am convinced they are not listed.

So, on behalf of post #11, what are these OE specs?
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Old 10-01-2009, 05:23 PM   #14
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Ok, here's info from Jordon - I don't know where to find the OEM specs as I don't have a service manual, but thanks!

Camaro Sport Sway Bar Instructions.pdf
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Front sway brackets 15 ft. lb.
rear sway brackets 15 ft. lbs.
end links front and rear 22 ft. lbs.
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As mj posted 5 seconds before me......LOL Same same
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im waiting for pedders sway bars to come out. there are supposed to be 3 sets coming out.
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Old 10-01-2009, 07:08 PM   #18
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Old 10-01-2009, 07:09 PM   #19
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I had the opportunity to have a set of lowering springs, sways and polyurethane bushings installed by PFADT Race Engineering for nothing if I'd let them borrow my car for six days. I didn't do it and now I'm kicking myself for it! I wish I could tell you, but I can't
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I had the opportunity to have a set of lowering springs, sways and polyurethane bushings installed by PFADT Race Engineering for nothing if I'd let them borrow my car for six days. I didn't do it and now I'm kicking myself for it! I wish I could tell you, but I can't
define 'borrow'....
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Old 10-02-2009, 04:09 PM   #22
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So all I can say is, PFADT RACE ENGINEERING is the only way to go if you want the best ride, handling and look for your 2010 Camaro.

Just installed, the PFADT drop springs, and the Sport Sway bar / balance bar package, front & rear. This is a fantastic feat of engineering. Forget the term sway bar, this car is now balanced to perfection. This car is a whole new car with a whole new ride, I can’t believe the responsiveness and handling. This new and improved Camaro, with the new PFADT suspension is definitely a point and shoot……then you better hang on. You turn the wheel and the car is there, no roll, no twist, ………can you say freight-train on rails. Cornering is absolutely amazing. With the car 1” – 1 ¼ lower the body roll is almost non existent the car sits down and hugs the road like it should. The tires are on the ground and this car sticks, no sliding and you have more rubber to the road. The ride is very impressive and no problem as a DD (daily driver) Fantastic ride!!! Even with it lowered!! I can truly say I am now definitely PFADT and happy.

I guess all I need now it your complete poly bushing set, trailing arms, strut tower brace and I’ll be ready for the track…………

To everyone at PFADT Race Engineering I say thank you!!!! You have out done yourself with the engineering and design of these suspension mods…….. Keep up the good work!!! I’ll be watching and impatiently waiting as you release more products for the 2010 Camaro.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:26 PM   #23
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I got the Pfadt sway bars a couple weeks ago, and got the rear one in easy the same day. But, I couldn't get the front one out. So I finally got around to trying to get the front sway bar replaced this weekend. Here's how the process went:

1) gaining access (both front tires off), 20 minutes

2) trying to get the original out, 2 hours

3) trying to decide if I want to permanently cut something off my new $36k car, 45 minutes

4) cutting the b1tch out, 1 hour (don't ask, lack of proper tooling)

5) installing new bar, 30 seconds

6) close-up, 20 minutes

Moral: Don't screw around trying to get the original out, cut it. The new one goes in so easy it's not worth worrying about.

I'll follow up later with comments on the new handling.
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Well people keep hyping these bars I might need to get a set.
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I got the Pfadt sway bars a couple weeks ago, and got the rear one in easy the same day. But, I couldn't get the front one out. So I finally got around to trying to get the front sway bar replaced this weekend. Here's how the process went:

1) gaining access (both front tires off), 20 minutes

2) trying to get the original out, 2 hours

3) trying to decide if I want to permanently cut something off my new $36k car, 45 minutes

4) cutting the b1tch out, 1 hour (don't ask, lack of proper tooling)

5) installing new bar, 30 seconds

6) close-up, 20 minutes

Moral: Don't screw around trying to get the original out, cut it. The new one goes in so easy it's not worth worrying about.

I'll follow up later with comments on the new handling.
LOL...yeah..removing the front bar is an exercise in patience...reminding of one of these puzzles:




Sorry it gave you such a fit!
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