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View Poll Results: What engine would you like to see in Z28?
LS9 113 36.69%
LSA 89 28.90%
Hybrid LS9/LSA (maybe to keep costs down) 25 8.12%
Generation 5 34 11.04%
SC/TC'd V6 13 4.22%
LS7 72 23.38%
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Old 10-09-2009, 04:54 PM   #76
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The LS7 in that camaro concept Had GM's hotcam which means it would not be emissions leagle. Also If the Z/28 used the ls7, it would need a sinificant HP increase to about 550hp and atleast cut 300lbs of wieght. It might be easier for GM to Just increase the Boost from the LSA supercharger and add Forged Pistons and Cut some wieght. Though a Light wieght N.A. Z28 is the most apeapling.
Ive never read much on the emissions of hotcams but still, that was just a cam swap, GM could do so many other things to the engine to boost hp, keep it emissions legal, and still mass produce it into the Z/28. Also the LS7 is around 100lbs lighter than the LSA (after weight from parts and fluids) and there was a post on the homepage here that said GM would be taking steps towards cutting weight on the Z/28...i support it cause its just a better solution to what we're looking for, its lighter, can easily be brought to the same power as the LSA, and its an N/A engine so it will most likely be more reliable and an easier daily-driver than either a supercharged version or the GT500 for that matter
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:02 PM   #77
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We have heard over and over that the ls7 is on its way out...... Not saying I would mind it being in my Camaro! I just dont think its going to happen...
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haha, yeaahh we have heard it over and over, and i get it eeeverywhere i go x_x
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Old 10-09-2009, 05:47 PM   #79
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I would be o.k. with some "other" smaller V-8. Make the "Z" lighter and give it a track suspension and basic/simple interior (like the LS but with premium sound), some new ground effects and special stripes/badging and different (lighter) wheels with low profile tires. My 3rd gen Z-28 was all about "affordable fun" so I don't know where GM is going with all this crapola of a 40K+ Camaro.
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Old 10-09-2009, 06:05 PM   #80
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I remember thinking $30K for a 4th Gen was impossible and even moreso with that SLP LT4 SS car at $40K. Considering the advanvements we've had since like '97 I think we're still getting a good value.

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Old 10-09-2009, 06:11 PM   #81
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I remember thinking $30K for a 4th Gen was impossible and even moreso with that SLP LT4 SS car at $40K. Considering the advanvements we've had since like '97 I think we're still getting a good value.

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I dont think my wage increases are keeping up with car price increases 50k is alot of money!
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Old 10-09-2009, 06:15 PM   #82
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Very true, i think the Z/28 should be stripped of the luxury items and be pure performance, then sold at the same price as the SS...that way people that want their luxury Camaro get that and people that want their performance Camaro get that...you can split the difference in price by adding/removing parts, like the SS has its base price, well remove all the luxury items and replace them with performance parts, the price equals out similarly (maybe slightly more for the Z/28) but still, im definatly not liking the idea of a $45k+ Z/28
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I dont think my wage increases are keeping up with car price increases 50k is alot of money!
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Old 10-09-2009, 06:19 PM   #84
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Not to mention a lot of that $45k+ price comes from all the little lazy frills people want...remote start, on-screen navigation, heated power seats all around, 300 speaker sound systems...lets have our luxury version (SS) and our performance version (Z/28) comparable in cost but appealing to different crowds...i dont wanna see Mr. Suburb dad driving his new fancy Z/28 5 miles under the speed limit and saying "yeah i bought it cause it had the comfiest seats" >={ LOL
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I dont wannnna wait for two years to buy a Z/28!!!!!!!!!







Okay I feel a little better now.....

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Ive never read much on the emissions of hotcams but still, that was just a cam swap, GM could do so many other things to the engine to boost hp, keep it emissions legal, and still mass produce it into the Z/28. Also the LS7 is around 100lbs lighter than the LSA (after weight from parts and fluids) and there was a post on the homepage here that said GM would be taking steps towards cutting weight on the Z/28...i support it cause its just a better solution to what we're looking for, its lighter, can easily be brought to the same power as the LSA, and its an N/A engine so it will most likely be more reliable and an easier daily-driver than either a supercharged version or the GT500 for that matter
The LSA has 51hp and 76lbs of torque advantage over the LS7, but one thing that we should not forget is the power curve. I think the LSA makes like 400lbs of torque at Idle!! It would not be enough to just drop the LS7 in the Camaro since it will compete against the GT-500 which is underated and putting down over 500hp at the wheels stock. Also Remeber the 2011 modely year GT-500 will switch to an alluminum block, cutting about 100lbs off the nose of the car and increasing its handeling and accerleration. Without significantly more hp and cutting atleast 300lbs of wieght, an LS7 camaro is going to be left in the dust.

edit: Though probaly the most fun to drive.
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Old 11-29-2009, 03:49 PM   #88
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As much as we know the LSA and LS9, I'd like to see the next generation made production. We're due for new engines, and GM should not be using the current line of engines in 5 years. I'm only thinking 5 years ahead because any 2011 Z28 would have to come out in 2010 with an engine that would probably stay in production for that long. Why would we want to keep using 5-year-old technology before it was implemented when GM has been developing new technologies, like VVT and DI? There's a whole generation of engines that we have not seen. There's a saying that it is better to have the devil you know than the devil you don't. I don't think this applies very well to high-performance engines. There's new technology that we should be using but aren't.

I'd also like GM to start competing with Ford's EcoBoost. We need turbo V6s.
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I would LOVE to have the LS9, but quite frankly, I just don't see them putting it in a Z/28. Largely due to the fact, it could affect the price and/or sales of the ZR1. I mean, why purchase the ZR1 when I could get a Z/28 with the same engine for a 1/3 to 1/2 the price.

Likely candidate is the LSA (which I think has been confirmed) or LS7.

Regardless of what powerplant goes in, it'll be one damn fine car!
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Likely candidate is the LSA (which I think has been confirmed) or LS7.

Where did you read that the LSA or LS7 has been confirmed ?

I would be happy with any V8 as long as it's supercharged....

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I would LOVE to have the LS9, but quite frankly, I just don't see them putting it in a Z/28. Largely due to the fact, it could affect the price and/or sales of the ZR1. I mean, why purchase the ZR1 when I could get a Z/28 with the same engine for a 1/3 to 1/2 the price.

Likely candidate is the LSA (which I think has been confirmed) or LS7.

Regardless of what powerplant goes in, it'll be one damn fine car!
nothings been confirmed. no official press release saying that the Z28 was back on. just some MT, autoblog, etc articles saying that it was back on


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Where did you read that the LSA or LS7 has been confirmed ?

I would be happy with any V8 as long as it's supercharged....

what would you do if there was a Direct Injection V8 puting out over 550 hp with out a supercharger?
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nothings been confirmed. no official press release saying that the Z28 was back on. just some MT, autoblog, etc articles saying that it was back on

what would you do if there was a Direct Injection V8 puting out over 550 hp with out a supercharger?
You had me at supercharger
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You had me at supercharger
lol. so you wouldn't buy it? I'll buy it either way. what I prefer and what it is will probably be different and I'm ok with that.
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lol. so you wouldn't buy it? I'll buy it either way. what I prefer and what it is will probably be different and I'm ok with that.
It depends. Now, if we're talking about Z28 being only marinally faster than SS, starting at like $45K, probably not. My assumption, for referrence, is Z28 is going to coome with LSA and magneto' shocks (I don't know nor have I heard anything though). I'm hoping for a few select suspension components that are aluminum or maybe some other weight savings, too. Having outlined that quickly, I know I can already go faster in SS with a TVS 2300 on it (again - assuming I'm correct); add some Xas on it, and it's not even funny (especially if it doesn't come with the shocks). I really don't think, if Z28 comes with LSA, that it's going to have significantly more power than the CTS-V, so that's my reasoning there. I also don't think that unless it comes with magneto' shocks, that it would perform better than SS with Xas (or similar - I'm not only trying to push them; they're just who I know a little more about ). So to answer your question: I don't know. I love Z28 and all it's stood for. If it comes with 550 horse, and isn't supercharged, probably; but it would have to have some weight savings and would have to not come into GT500 price territory. I don't see the price territory happening, so I'm left feeling doubtful. I might just have to add Z28 nameplates, after my SS nameplates, kinda' like what SLP did with the first prepro' versions of the '96 Z28SS, lol. Unfortunately for more traditional Z28 loyalists, I want more of a touring bull, like I look at the GT500, than I do a stripper car, that costs like an older Cobra R.

That's just me though I just hope it comes, and comes without hybrid power, lol.
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It depends. Now, if we're talking about Z28 being only marinally faster than SS, starting at like $45K, probably not. My assumption, for referrence, is Z28 is going to coome with LSA and magneto' shocks (I don't know nor have I heard anything though). I'm hoping for a few select suspension components that are aluminum or maybe some other weight savings, too. Having outlined that quickly, I know I can already go faster in SS with a TVS 2300 on it (again - assuming I'm correct); add some Xas on it, and it's not even funny (especially if it doesn't come with the shocks). I really don't think, if Z28 comes with LSA, that it's going to have significantly more power than the CTS-V, so that's my reasoning there. I also don't think that unless it comes with magneto' shocks, that it would perform better than SS with Xas (or similar - I'm not only trying to push them; they're just who I know a little more about ). So to answer your question: I don't know. I love Z28 and all it's stood for. If it comes with 550 horse, and isn't supercharged, probably; but it would have to have some weight savings and would have to not come into GT500 price territory. I don't see the price territory happening, so I'm left feeling doubtful. I might just have to add Z28 nameplates, after my SS nameplates, kinda' like what SLP did with the first prepro' versions of the '96 Z28SS, lol. Unfortunately for more traditional Z28 loyalists, I want more of a touring bull, like I look at the GT500, than I do a stripper car, that costs like an older Cobra R.

That's just me though I just hope it comes, and comes without hybrid power, lol.
for most of us I'm sure that we are expecting suspension upgrades with this increased price. if it was just an engine no there's no reason to pay that much more. but I'm thinking a DI v8 with that range in hp would actually save you weight over the LSA and help keep the 52/48 ratio. then add in the improved suspension and we've got a winner for better performance all around.

like you I really do want my leather seats. lol. now if they are heated or not I don't care. but give me leather and a good radio with an input jack I'll be happy.
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for most of us I'm sure that we are expecting suspension upgrades with this increased price. if it was just an engine no there's no reason to pay that much more. but I'm thinking a DI v8 with that range in hp would actually save you weight over the LSA and help keep the 52/48 ratio. then add in the improved suspension and we've got a winner for better performance all around.

like you I really do want my leather seats. lol. now if they are heated or not I don't care. but give me leather and a good radio with an input jack I'll be happy.
I think it comes more down to value, than anything else. I can justify paying GT500 money as long as I get the performance and value. I'm with you on the weight, for sure. Plus-1 on the seats and the radio, lol. Real leather too while we're talking about it
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We put the LS9 in a new Camaro already

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i'd say let the z28 get the ls7, while allowing the SS to get the LSA
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