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Old 10-01-2009, 09:50 AM   #1
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Clear bra or good detailing?

My car is arriving in the next few and I'm thinking of getting the clear bra installed full hood which come in one piece so no visible lines cost around 1000 bucks for ventureshield including side mirrors-front fascia back fender...and everything else (the normal one cost 580$) or just do a full detailing my self every 4-5 months and that's that.Please help give me your suggestions thanks in advance

Ps. we have a ventureshield certified dealer+installer and several 3m shops

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Old 10-01-2009, 12:02 PM   #2
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Go with VentureShield Ultra. Detailing your car will not stop rock chips and abrasions so it would be wise to get the clear bra.
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Old 10-01-2009, 01:33 PM   #3
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Go with VentureShield Ultra. Detailing your car will not stop rock chips and abrasions so it would be wise to get the clear bra.

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Old 10-02-2009, 06:11 AM   #4
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So you can afford a $30,000+ car and cant afford $700 more to take care of it and keep it looking new??? Maybe you shouldnt be driving a car like this if you dont have any money left over after making payments. Its probably well beyond your means and you should have got something more affordable until you could have saved up.
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So you can afford a $30,000+ car and cant afford $700 more to take care of it and keep it looking new??? Maybe you shouldnt be driving a car like this if you dont have any money left over after making payments. Its probably well beyond your means and you should have got something more affordable until you could have saved up.
Some people don't have money coming out of the waazoo
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Old 10-02-2009, 10:07 AM   #6
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So you can afford a $30,000+ car and cant afford $700 more to take care of it and keep it looking new??? Maybe you shouldnt be driving a car like this if you dont have any money left over after making payments. Its probably well beyond your means and you should have got something more affordable until you could have saved up.
Not everyone is in the same financial position as you seem to think they should be. There are alternatives to what you provide for a service for example... instead of paying you $700-1K the day I get my Camaro (geez I sure hope I can afford it.... Maybe I should ask my financial adviser if it is a wise choice, wait a minute.... maybe you can advise all of us that really have no idea of what we can afford or what we can't) could wait for 3+ yrs and decide to re shoot the front end of the car (if needed). My decision (see how that works) and I don't have to come out of pocket as soon as I receive the car. Maybe I don't care for the lines your product leaves on the hood or body panels. Try not to be so demeaning to potential customers if you where to show a little more perhaps folks may not prejudge you.... as you seem to do
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Not everyone is in the same financial position as you seem to think they should be. There are alternatives to what you provide for a service for example... instead of paying you $700-1K the day I get my Camaro (geez I sure hope I can afford it.... Maybe I should ask my financial adviser if it is a wise choice, wait a minute.... maybe you can advise all of us that really have no idea of what we can afford or what we can't) could wait for 3+ yrs and decide to re shoot the front end of the car (if needed). My decision (see how that works) and I don't have to come out of pocket as soon as I receive the car. Maybe I don't care for the lines your product leaves on the hood or body panels. Try not to be so demeaning to potential customers if you where to show a little more perhaps folks may not prejudge you.... as you seem to do
I wasnt trying to prejudge but if your telling me you are buying a brand new car, paying 30k+ for it, then you should be able to afford to take care of it properly... which falls back to what the original poster in this thread was looking for... advice on taking care of it properly. Waxing a car will not stop rock chips... so I stated my point. Buying a new car should not stretch someon t othe point where they should be sweating $1000 the day they pick it up. If they/you are, then any financial advisor in this country will tell you that you can not afford this car and should save up more first or buy a mroe affordable car. Its common sense...

As far as your other two argumments go, well get the full hood done. Then there are no lines. If you want to wait for 3 years and then respray the car... more power to you. Good luck matching the color... not to mention all the time you will be without your car. Oh and enjoy looking at rock chips on your vehicle everyday for the next 3 years. I have seen numerous Camaros already with less than a thousand miles and they are getting chipped up. You can thank the environmental protection agency for that. But I am getting away from the point here... which was what the original poster, Q8Y, was looking for. Get the film immediately after you recieve your car and you never have anything to worry about.

I wasnt trying to be demeaning but your post contributed zero to this thread... so maybe it would have been a good time to not reply to it or at least offer something helpful. He already stated the $1000 and the full hood option...so obviousely he has already thought about what you commented on before you even made them.
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Some people don't have money coming out of the waazoo
I for one buy what I can afford, put film on every car I purchase, and end up getting a higher resale value out of them because they are in near perfect condition when I trade them in. For one respraying your car really hurts resale value because it shows there was damage... to what extent the dealership truly will never know... and two it is almost impossible to get a perfect match especially with todays exotic colors they are using (Cyber Grey, Atomic Orange, Imperial Blue... ). The dealership also wont have to get the car "touched up" or resprayed after taking the trade in thus cutting their costs and increasing the money that you can receive back. but hey this is all just my .02

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Old 10-02-2009, 01:42 PM   #9
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I'm sorry Susantroy1 but htp autoworks is right money is not the issue here but thanks anyway.
The base of my question is some shops here claims that there products (sealents,wax) is good enough for protection there's no need for the bra one of them is a shop sells diamondbrite http://www.jewelultra.co.uk/ and according to him this is even better than the Films>>>
thnks to your replies I'm leaning towards the clear bra which bring me to the next question:
ventureshield, 3m Scotchgard™ or Llumar???
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Old 10-02-2009, 02:06 PM   #10
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Oil money is good, right?

I guess a clear bra would be the best bet for you because of all the sand you have to deal with. From what I hear, driving through an area with a lot of sand is the equivalent to sand blasting your car.
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I'm sorry Susantroy1 but htp autoworks is right money is not the issue here but thanks anyway.
The base of my question is some shops here claims that there products (sealents,wax) is good enough for protection there's no need for the bra one of them is a shop sells diamondbrite http://www.jewelultra.co.uk/ and according to him this is even better than the Films>>>
thnks to your replies I'm leaning towards the clear bra which bring me to the next question:
ventureshield, 3m Scotchgard™ or Llumar???
Yes I will say from first hand experience that I have driven through Qatar and Kuwait (deployments when I was in the Air Force) and the sand will really eat away at your paint. As far as a sealant goes I have yet to hear of one that really works well. But I am sure there are a lot of things out there that I dont know about so the possibility is there. If they are willing to stand behind there product and warranty your paint after application then its worth a try. I would have it in writing first though.

If you do decide to go with VentureShield I do recommend getting a sealant for the film. it will help protect it and keep anything from penetrating into the film since it is porous. Keep us posted on how things go. If this Diamondbright works I would be interested in trying it out.
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I got the front bumper, 12" on the hood and the mirros coverd.. coast to me was 900.

I love the clear bra. One of the best "mods" I done to the car. It's so nice not worrying about scratching the paint while scrubbing the bug guts off.
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the original poster of this thread did not make any reference to whether he could afford it or not.
My point exactly.... Folks have to decide whether or not to make that type of investment. In making that decision... $$ will be a contributing factor. My OP simply was a confirmation stating that. If $$ amount for the product is a lower concern and they feel that the product will provide them with the protection an outweighs the in ital cost than they may decide to make the choice. However; If $$ amount is a greater concern for them and or their driving environment may not be as severe or their car is a weekend warrior or for whatever reason..., than they may choose not to purchase the product. Which by the way, IS totally appropriate for the thread.
Simply stating; it might be offensive to some folks for you to assume that if they choose not to purchase the product because one factor in their decision making process might be cost $$ then they somehow can't afford a 30k car? Is an assumption which will offend. Which is what I was stating in my second post. Simply stating the obveious... Cost will always come into the decision as to whether to get the product or not.

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Thats great! and may be a factor in their decision making process as to purchase the product or not. again you "buy what you can afford" (cost decision)

Don't take it personal... Just pointing out that assumptions on your part may put some folks off.
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I'm sorry Susantroy1 but htp autoworks is right money is not the issue here but thanks anyway.
The base of my question is some shops here claims that there products (sealents,wax) is good enough for protection there's no need for the bra one of them is a shop sells diamondbrite http://www.jewelultra.co.uk/ and according to him this is even better than the Films>>>
thnks to your replies I'm leaning towards the clear bra which bring me to the next question:
ventureshield, 3m Scotchgard™ or Llumar???
I'm glad you have a choice as to the different protection products I researched your link and this is what I came up withhttp://www.clean-image.co.uk/paintse...amondbrite.htm

I still am confused due to the fact that it seems like a paint sealant, However Price is not stated by UK Law I had a hard time locating anything in the USA? Like htp autoworks said I would get a written warranty for paint chip I really don't see how it could be better than the films available though.
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So you can afford a $30,000+ car and cant afford $700 more to take care of it and keep it looking new??? Maybe you shouldnt be driving a car like this if you dont have any money left over after making payments. Its probably well beyond your means and you should have got something more affordable until you could have saved up.
Uhhh....
Sorry to burst your bubble but i got appraised about $1900 for hood and front bumper. Dunno where this magical $700 you speak of is.
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Uhhh....
Sorry to burst your bubble but i got appraised about $1900 for hood and front bumper. Dunno where this magical $700 you speak of is.
You could pay sticker for your car or you could give the dealer $20k over the sticker price. My point is price is going to vary by market and by installer. Me being an installer (for 6+ years now) I know what the average going rate is and I know what the material cost is. I have been to 36 states this year for work so I am familiar with the market and what the rates vary at. You may pay one installer more (hopefully because they can do better work) or you can pay another installer less for a half ass job. Unfortunately I have seen some really outrageous prices for half ass work... and $1900 for the hood and bumper is insane. If I were you I would not pay that much for an install. Tell the installer that for a partial hood, partial fenders, full bumper, lights, and mirrors he should be getting anywhere between $700-$850. That is still profitable for him without ripping you off as a customer. My full rate for the Camaro is $1500... which includes full hood, full fenders, full bumper, lights, mirrors, rocker panels, lower doors, rear fenders, and rear splash wells. And I still make some money for that job. So you can see that installer is WAY over priced... way over priced. But that in no way reflects the rst of the market.

Do you mind me asking who the installer is? I am not familiar with any good ones out of Kansas... but that doesnt mean there arent any.

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My point exactly.... Folks have to decide whether or not to make that type of investment. In making that decision... $$ will be a contributing factor. My OP simply was a confirmation stating that. If $$ amount for the product is a lower concern and they feel that the product will provide them with the protection an outweighs the in ital cost than they may decide to make the choice. However; If $$ amount is a greater concern for them and or their driving environment may not be as severe or their car is a weekend warrior or for whatever reason..., than they may choose not to purchase the product. Which by the way, IS totally appropriate for the thread.
Simply stating; it might be offensive to some folks for you to assume that if they choose not to purchase the product because one factor in their decision making process might be cost $$ then they somehow can't afford a 30k car? Is an assumption which will offend. Which is what I was stating in my second post. Simply stating the obveious... Cost will always come into the decision as to whether to get the product or not.



Thats great! and may be a factor in their decision making process as to purchase the product or not. again you "buy what you can afford" (cost decision)

Don't take it personal... Just pointing out that assumptions on your part may put some folks off.
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Do you mind me asking who the installer is? I am not familiar with any good ones out of Kansas... but that doesnt mean there arent any.
Was Auto Image, they do a lot for local dealerships. Full Hood, Full front bumper $1,899 and they would throw in the 2 side mirrors free. Other wise they charge $45 a mirror.
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Go to my thread about sandblasting and watch the You Tube video of what the film does to protect you from sand. It's what convinced me.

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Was Auto Image, they do a lot for local dealerships. Full Hood, Full front bumper $1,899 and they would throw in the 2 side mirrors free. Other wise they charge $45 a mirror.
WOW!!! They are pricey. I want ot check them out and see if anyone knows who they are... and why they charge so much. Thanks for the info... and I will get back to you if I hear anything about them.
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Come on Ject. You could pay sticker for your car or you could give the dealer $20k over the sticker price. My point is price is going to vary by market and by installer. Me being an installer (for 6+ years now) I know what the average going rate is and I know what the material cost is. I have been to 36 states this year for work so I am familiar with the market and what the rates vary at. You may pay one installer more (hopefully because they can do better work) or you can pay another installer less for a half ass job. Unfortunately I have seen some really outrageous prices for half ass work... and $1900 for the hood and bumper is insane. If I were you I would not pay that much for an install. Tell the installer that for a partial hood, partial fenders, full bumper, lights, and mirrors he should be getting anywhere between $700-$850. That is still profitable for him without ripping you off as a customer. My full rate for the Camaro is $1500... which includes full hood, full fenders, full bumper, lights, mirrors, rocker panels, lower doors, rear fenders, and rear splash wells. And I still make some money for that job. So you can see that installer is WAY over priced... way over priced. But that in no way reflects the rst of the market.

Do you mind me asking who the installer is? I am not familiar with any good ones out of Kansas... but that doesnt mean there arent any.
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So you can afford a $30,000+ car and cant afford $700 more to take care of it and keep it looking new??? Maybe you shouldnt be driving a car like this if you dont have any money left over after making payments. Its probably well beyond your means and you should have got something more affordable until you could have saved up.
I just want to say that you come off as a real prick in your posts, starting with this one. People come here hoping to get honest and accurate information regarding situations with their new camaro.

We like to get that information from professionals or knowledgeable people about our questions or opionions without feling like some douche bag who knows eveything tries to belittle the people on the forum by telling them what they can and cannot afford, and what they should do with their money.

Maybe everyone is not as well off as you my friend and used their last dollar to purchase this car but who are you to tell them that they are stupid for doing this. All the person wanted was to get an answer to his question from someone who had the answer. Your answer wasn't worth the other bullshit you added to the post. And with your attitude I doubt that anyone who reads your previous posts on this forum would bother to look you or your company up to do business with not to mention refer you to someone else.

Good luck and maybe you should smoke a joint or something before you make a post with horseshoe up your butt!
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Around here it's about 1800.00 for the full hood/side fenders, rockers and bumper.

I'm getting the 1/3 hood, bumper,mirrors and lower rockers installed Tues (about 1200.00 with tax).

If you have the spare change it's worth the extra paint protection (in my humble opinion)
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I just want to say that you come off as a real prick in your posts, starting with this one. People come here hoping to get honest and accurate information regarding situations with their new camaro.

We like to get that information from professionals or knowledgeable people about our questions or opionions without feling like some douche bag who knows eveything tries to belittle the people on the forum by telling them what they can and cannot afford, and what they should do with their money.

Maybe everyone is not as well off as you my friend and used their last dollar to purchase this car but who are you to tell them that they are stupid for doing this. All the person wanted was to get an answer to his question from someone who had the answer. Your answer wasn't worth the other bullshit you added to the post. And with your attitude I doubt that anyone who reads your previous posts on this forum would bother to look you or your company up to do business with not to mention refer you to someone else.

Good luck and maybe you should smoke a joint or something before you make a post with horseshoe up your butt!
JP you are absolutely right. I should not have been in here posting as I was in a pretty bad mood. I apologize to anyone that I may have offended...

By the way, I dont smoke. So you are more than welcome to have one for me.
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