I want the Z28 to be the BEST!

[MontyCarlo]

Just look through this very site and you'll see how often people ask whether they should get a corvette or a 2SS. To hell with the back seat.

[ironpeddler]

Originally Posted by big hammer

it's just a ford owner internet thing. they like feeling oh so superior but when someone mentions z06 then they realize they own the slowest 500+ hp car ever made.

The Z06 is what $80k new ? I mean it has nothing to do with a ford owner internet thing lol. It has to do with about a $30k price difference. Of course the Z06 is superior anyone who thinks that a stock gt500 is superior to a stock Z06 would be a fool, fanboi for one brand or not. For $30k more or $20k more the Z06 better be freaking superior.

Slowest 500hp car ever made...I guess, whatever makes you feel better.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

The Z06 is what $80k new ? I mean it has nothing to do with a ford owner internet thing lol. It has to do with about a $30k price difference. Of course the Z06 is superior anyone who thinks that a stock gt500 is superior to a stock Z06 would be a fool, fanboi for one brand or not. For $30k more or $20k more the Z06 better be freaking superior.

Slowest 500hp car ever made...I guess, whatever makes you feel better.

It's a $26,000 difference. However, (hate to bring this up again; people who are hypocritical are annoying), why doesn't the huge price difference come into play when it's the SS vs. GT500?

[GQ4Life]

Originally Posted by a_Username

It's a $26,000 difference. However, (hate to bring this up again; people who are hypocritical are annoying), why doesn't the huge price difference come into play when it's the SS vs. GT500?

Well I went SS because of price difference felt you got a good deal for your money. GT500 scores a lil better on speed and handling but for the over $12,000 more I can make the Camaro better..

yes hate on me.. I was looking at Mustang GT, GT500, SS, and Corvette..
actually had order for Mustang GT when dealer said they would install ford racing supercharger for me. then I learn that Camaro's no longer were having $10,000 mark up everywhere..

[ironpeddler]

Originally Posted by a_Username

It's a $26,000 difference. However, (hate to bring this up again; people who are hypocritical are annoying), why doesn't the huge price difference come into play when it's the SS vs. GT500?

I dunno to be honest, maybe cause the price difference between a gt500 and a Z06 is greater than the price difference of a gt500 and SS?? Honestly, when does the price difference between the SS and gt500 NOT come into play?? Especially on these forums...GQ4Life just brought up the price difference in his post so..

[sav1]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

People hate me for this but I don't think the Camaro should try to beat the GT500 on performance, just on price. GM has Corvettes that beat the GT500, I think that's all they need.

Give us a car that's within 50hp of the GT500 for $5k-$10k less and we win. But that's my opinion.

Regardless of what GM does, they sure lit a fire under Ford's ass, didn't they?

100% agree with you.

[GQ4Life]

Z28 should be $47K starting.. same starting price of GT500...

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

I dunno to be honest, maybe cause the price difference between a gt500 and a Z06 is greater than the price difference of a gt500 and SS?? Honestly, when does the price difference between the SS and gt500 NOT come into play?? Especially on these forums...GQ4Life just brought up the price difference in his post so..

It's always a GM fan bringing up the price difference between the SS vs. GT500. Yes of course it's bigger, but you pay for what you get for.

[ironpeddler]

Originally Posted by a_Username

It's always a GM fan bringing up the price difference between the SS vs. GT500. Yes of course it's bigger, but you pay for what you get for.

I'm assuming you are talking about the bigger price difference between the gt500 and Z06 else your post wouldn't make sense and I agree with you, you get what you pay for...but this also applies for SS and gt500 lol. You get what you pay for.

[DGthe3]

I heard of the twin turbo GT500 but I only saw that it would be 500 hp, not 600. Could have been a typo on their part though. Anyway, if that happens I can't see the GT500 staying at its current price.

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

I dunno to be honest, maybe cause the price difference between a gt500 and a Z06 is greater than the price difference of a gt500 and SS??

In absolute terms they are, but the relative increase is almost the same. The GT500 costs 1.5x as much as an SS and a Z06 costs 1.5x as much as a GT500.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

I'm assuming you are talking about the bigger price difference between the gt500 and Z06 else your post wouldn't make sense and I agree with you, you get what you pay for...but this also applies for SS and gt500 lol. You get what you pay for.

But if it's under $20,000, it's in the same price range as the compared car? But if it goes over $20,000 then it's too much of a difference? To me $16,000 is still a lot of money.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by a_Username

But if it's under $20,000, it's in the same price range as the compared car? But if it goes over $20,000 then it's too much of a difference? To me $16,000 is still a lot of money.

you are forgetting mustang logic. it doesnt matter how much more money the gt500 is over the camaro, because it's faster. it does however matter how much more money the z06 is over the gt500, because the z06 makes the gt500 look absolutely PATHETIC hp for hp.

[ironpeddler]

Originally Posted by big hammer

you are forgetting mustang logic. it doesnt matter how much more money the gt500 is over the camaro, because it's faster. it does however matter how much more money the z06 is over the gt500, because the z06 makes the gt500 look absolutely PATHETIC hp for hp.

Are you able to see past a person's post who owns a GT500 and actually read it or do your eyes just become bloodshot with rage? I already stated the Z06 was superior to a gt500...What do you not understand about what I said? What is the point of your post? I will post below what I already posted before...again.

The Z06 is what $80k new ? I mean it has nothing to do with a ford owner internet thing lol. It has to do with about a $30k price difference. Of course the Z06 is superior anyone who thinks that a stock gt500 is superior to a stock Z06 would be a fool, fanboi for one brand or not. For $30k more or $20k more the Z06 better be freaking superior.

I will make it very simple for you...the gt500 is better than the SS and it cost more money. The Z06 is better than the gt500 and it cost more money, get it??

a_username i don't understand what you are saying. Don't compare the SS with the gt500 then, i don't care. Just like a Z06 shouldn't be compared with the gt500. Simple right? Agree? I was never comparing the SS with the gt500, i was just saying the vette and gt500 are in different classes and not everyone compares the two or cross-shops between the two when looking to spend $50k+ on a car. Z28's job will be the gt500 not the SS. And Ford has nothing to compare with the vette which I also already posted earlier.

[Mr. Wyndham]

How did this thread get so far off the topic of a Z28?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

Are you able to see past a person's post who owns a GT500 and actually read it or do your eyes just become bloodshot with rage? I already stated the Z06 was superior to a gt500...What do you not understand about what I said? What is the point of your post? I will post below what I already posted before...again.

The Z06 is what $80k new ? I mean it has nothing to do with a ford owner internet thing lol. It has to do with about a $30k price difference. Of course the Z06 is superior anyone who thinks that a stock gt500 is superior to a stock Z06 would be a fool, fanboi for one brand or not. For $30k more or $20k more the Z06 better be freaking superior.

I will make it very simple for you...the gt500 is better than the SS and it cost more money. The Z06 is better than the gt500 and it cost more money, get it??

a_username i don't understand what you are saying. Don't compare the SS with the gt500 then, i don't care. Just like a Z06 shouldn't be compared with the gt500. Simple right? Agree? I was never comparing the SS with the gt500, i was just saying the vette and gt500 are in different classes and not everyone compares the two or cross-shops between the two when looking to spend $50k+ on a car. Z28's job will be the gt500 not the SS. And Ford has nothing to compare with the vette which I also already posted earlier.

I'm not directing the the GT500 vs. SS comparison towards you, just to Mustang fans in general. So I just used the same process as mustang defenders use... Get a ridiculously higher priced car and compare it to the one being discussed. I done this to make a point, but of course not EVERYONE compares it to the Z06, that'd be unprovable to think that. However, I'm sure the majority would, and saying this I'm not saying they should because they are out of each other's price range.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

Are you able to see past a person's post who owns a GT500 and actually read it or do your eyes just become bloodshot with rage? I already stated the Z06 was superior to a gt500...What do you not understand about what I said? What is the point of your post? I will post below what I already posted before...again.

The Z06 is what $80k new ? I mean it has nothing to do with a ford owner internet thing lol. It has to do with about a $30k price difference. Of course the Z06 is superior anyone who thinks that a stock gt500 is superior to a stock Z06 would be a fool, fanboi for one brand or not. For $30k more or $20k more the Z06 better be freaking superior.

I will make it very simple for you...the gt500 is better than the SS and it cost more money. The Z06 is better than the gt500 and it cost more money, get it??

a_username i don't understand what you are saying. Don't compare the SS with the gt500 then, i don't care. Just like a Z06 shouldn't be compared with the gt500. Simple right? Agree? I was never comparing the SS with the gt500, i was just saying the vette and gt500 are in different classes and not everyone compares the two or cross-shops between the two when looking to spend $50k+ on a car. Z28's job will be the gt500 not the SS. And Ford has nothing to compare with the vette which I also already posted earlier.

at least the z06 is freaking superior for the money over a gt500 other then how a gt500 is moderately superior over an ss for the money.

[AngryAmish]

Fact: the Taurus SHO is the closest competitor to the CTS-V. Just because it fails miserably at it does not mean they don't compete. Apparently it also seems to most Ford people that the price of the GT500 doesn't take it out of the range of the SS...so why should it be any different when comparing the Taurus SHO to the CTS-V?

Like it or not, until there is a Z28 on the market your closest competitor is a base model Vette. I understand the 2 seater argument, but think about this. There are two kinds of people that buy cars: enthusiasts and everyone else. Enthusiasts are the only people that are going to measure and even care about all these details. Everyone else is simply going to buy the car that suits them the best, regardless of what its closest competition is, track times, etc.

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

Excuses, I see no excuses just facts. Ford has nothing to compare with the Vette, unless its a Ford GT which they don't make anymore and Ford has nothing to compare with the CTS-V...so what's your point? No excuses, Ford just has nothing in the same sports car class or the sport sedan class or whatever the CTS-V falls under. Whats wrong with that? Who said Ford needed anything to compare witht the Vette or CTS-V??

[Camaro_Corvette]

Moar Power!

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

How did this thread get so far off the topic of a Z28?

To be the best you have to know your competition and we were discussing the competition? lol

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by a_Username

To be the best you have to know your competition and we were discussing the competition? lol

Ya know? That works!

Originally Posted by AngryAmish

Fact: the Taurus SHO is the closest competitor to the CTS-V.

Are you talking from the point of view of a Ford person? Or do you mean that? Because the M5 first comes to my mind....

[a_Username]

Wait! Has the SRT-10 Challenger been confirmed?!

[KLR ZL1]

Originally Posted by a_Username

The GT500's are around 11.8's stock. They are considerably faster. But I disagree with the one saying the Z/28 shouldn't outperform the GT500. That will be the Z/28's tier competition, why shouldn't it try to outperform it? And if I was GM, I'd rather make one more higher tier car than two more higher tier cars, it's more cost effect for a company that shouldn't be throwing money around at the moment.

I have yet to see a GT500 run 11.8 or as far as that goes under 12 stock in the 1/4 mile. And I read almost every car magazine. I also was going to purchase a 2010 GT500 before I got my camaro. You need to get the new Car and Driver mag. It has a corvette grand sport versus gt500. Corvette wins and it didn't run under 12 sec.

[MasterZ]

these discussions are like a dog chasing his tail.....

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by blackonblack2010

I have yet to see a GT500 run 11.8 or as far as that goes under 12 stock in the 1/4 mile. And I read almost every car magazine. I also was going to purchase a 2010 GT500 before I got my camaro. You need to get the new Car and Driver mag. It has a corvette grand sport versus gt500. Corvette wins and it didn't run under 12 sec.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...lip-10234.html
It wasn't a 2010 but it was a 2007. I'm sure the 2010's will get there, I could have swore I saw a place that had one going 11.8x's in an '10 but I can't quite remember the site.

But magazine test's aren't that reliable... I mean they run a GT500 vs. an SS with a .1 second difference. That's just misleading IMO!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by a_Username

But magazine test's aren't that reliable... I mean they run a GT500 vs. an SS with a .1 second difference. That's just misleading IMO!

Agreed...but not because they intentionally tried to make the GT500 look bad (or maybe they did, who knows). The car is just hard to launch unless you've practiced many, many, many times...the numbers are there to support a faster time, but the finesse is not.

and bud...check out that drag-times page again...that car had drag radials on it..................