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Old 10-08-2009, 10:43 AM   #76
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No prob. It would be handy if I knew the answers to your questions before I called. I've seen alot of posts about customers speaking with the Pedders guys on the phone for over an hour, could be a big time saver.... Unless you just like to talk
Before Pete published the data on the Camaro on our website, I have traditionally, after discussions of goals, tires, hp, etc, would/will make a recommendation and explain why. If you have the interest this conversation can take some time. But usually by the end of the conversation, you know what you want, why, and what to expect. Your ear may be sore, but you are smiling. LOL Now you think I talk a lot, you should chat with my wife!!

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Before Pete published the data on the Camaro on our website, I have traditionally, after discussions of goals, tires, hp, etc, would/will make a recommendation and explain why. If you have the interest this conversation can take some time. But usually by the end of the conversation, you know what you want, why, and what to expect. Your ear may be sore, but you are smiling. LOL Now you think I talk a lot, you should chat with my wife!!

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Passion for your job is a good thing
Let's talk about ease of installation.... For those of us on a budget, but would like to eventually replace most bushings, what can be replaced before the whole rear cradle and exhaust needs to be removed?
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Before Pete published the data on the Camaro on our website, I have traditionally, after discussions of goals, tires, hp, etc, would/will make a recommendation and explain why. If you have the interest this conversation can take some time. But usually by the end of the conversation, you know what you want, why, and what to expect. Your ear may be sore, but you are smiling. LOL Now you think I talk a lot, you should chat with my wife!!

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Being passionate about Pedders and Performance is exactly why you are part of the TEAM. The anal addication to perfection which is sometimes a curse, is another reason why I want you at Pedders. If you were Serbian you would be perfect.
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Pedders worked with the Temperpedick Pillow people to make me a custom poly pillow. My concern is how did you know it? LOL

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Those poly bushes have to be close to you in your sleep... what better place to put them? LOL

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Being passionate about Pedders and Performance is exactly why you are part of the TEAM. The anal addication to perfection which is sometimes a curse, is another reason why I want you at Pedders. If you were Serbian you would be perfect.
THAT is why I went with you guys.. you don't get that level support from any of the other aftermarket companies.

Some have passion about their product. (LPE, Pedders and Wretched proved it.)

Some shove parts it in a box and say "oh well, your fault" when it breaks.
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Old 10-08-2009, 06:37 PM   #81
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Passion for your job is a good thing
Let's talk about ease of installation.... For those of us on a budget, but would like to eventually replace most bushings, what can be replaced before the whole rear cradle and exhaust needs to be removed?
This is a great question!. I have chatted with about 20 Camaro guys today (sorry Pete, could not complete all my work you wanted me to do because of it) which about 25% of the guys are doing the work themselves.

One of my jobs that I did when I was a tech and after getting a degree in auto technology, I went back to school and got a Automotive Vocational Education Degree. I would work as a tech in the day, and teach at the college level 2 nights a week. Did this for about 7 years. My teaching life has given me a great insite (with the exception of my crummy spelling) in writing manuals and training others. With that said,
we have install manuals for sway bars, Xa kits, front radius rod bushings, rear diff bushings, and rear cradle insert bushings. 15 guys or so have used the Xa manual for the Camaro, and other than grammer and spelling, have found them to be quite acceptable. I also have a complete Track manual for a G8, which applies approximately 95% to the Camaro.
So I have a lot of info out there and available on our Pedders forum. You can see them and down load them by going into the Camaro and G8 sections. The radius rod, cradle and diff bushing processes are identical, b"radius rod bushing is adjustable on the G8, but not the Camaro. With our Pedders alignment kit, however, we can make it adjustable. The rear diff bushings are a little different. The G8 uses an aluminum outer jacket, and the Camaro uses a steel jacket. There is one more step.

So I think we pretty much got you covered. Once I have access to a totally complete Track install on a Camaro, I will take pictures, and totally ugrade everything.

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Old 10-08-2009, 07:44 PM   #82
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Pedders crew....
I was just reading thru another thread about wheel hop and it occured to me that I dont think I have read any info on the problem from you guys! Is it a big problem on the camaro? Whats yalls take on it? Feel free to reply in the wheel hop thread if you would like!

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Old 10-08-2009, 08:20 PM   #83
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I was just reading thru another thread about wheel hop and it occured to me that I dont think I have read any info on the problem from you guys! Is it a big problem on the camaro? Whats yalls take on it? Feel free to reply in the wheel hop thread if you would like!

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We have not discussed wheel hop much, but do know it exists on some of the Camaros. Wheel hop is a function of a frequency. To reduce or eliminate the frequency, looseness and damping must be reduced/increased. The 2 primary bushing concerns are:
Rear Cradle
EP1200 Zeta II Rear Extreme Sub-Frame Connector Kit $248.43 for vehicles under say 450HP at the rear
EP1201 CAMARO TOTAL REAR SUB FRAME BUSHING REPLACEMENT $449.03 For vehicles over 450hp or vehicles with drag radials


Rear Differential Mount bushings
EP1167 Zeta Rear Differential Bush Kit $108.36 For vehicles with under 450hp at rear
EP1167HD REAR ZETA HD DIFFERENTIAL BUSHING KIT $138.36 For vehicles with over 450hp at the rear or Drag radials


This would be the first step I would do.
Here is our 1st level Drag Package. Also includes are extended alignment kits front and rear.:

PEDDERS CAMARO BASIC DRAG BUSHING PACKAGE
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10/5/09 The Zeta II CAMARO Platform Is an excellent beginning suspension package that can be greatly improved with the magic that Pedders has to offer. Wheel hop is an issue for the G8. There will be 3 levels of Pedders Drag Packages to meet the needs of the occassional user to the hard core user. This is Level 1, our basic package

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EP1201 CAMARO TOTAL REAR SUB FRAME BUSHING REPLACEMENT
EP1167HD REAR ZETA HD DIFFERENTIAL BUSHING KIT
EP6578 CAMARO Front Radius Rod STIFFENING SNUBBERS (new)
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Thanks for the quick reply! Man I cant wait to get back to the states and start building up a pedderized camaro. Yall are awsome! Hell I may do a little work to the wifes G8 GT...nothing major just firm it up a little.
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Thanks for the quick reply! Man I cant wait to get back to the states and start building up a pedderized camaro. Yall are awsome! Hell I may do a little work to the wifes G8 GT...nothing major just firm it up a little.
Buddy, we can take care of the G8 as well. We can give moma a suspension that will be able to chase yours pretty good!. We can make the Camaro, however, outhandle the G8 due to the extra energy we have put into the Camaro. We were unsure at one point. That is why we worked sooooooo hard on 5th gen!

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Buddy, we can take care of the G8 as well. We can give moma a suspension that will be able to chase yours pretty good!. We can make the Camaro, however, outhandle the G8 due to the extra energy we have put into the Camaro. We were unsure at one point. That is why we worked sooooooo hard on 5th gen!

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Sounds good to me! I will contact yall when I get back and we will start the process Keep up the good work!
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We have not discussed wheel hop much, but do know it exists on some of the Camaros. Wheel hop is a function of a frequency. To reduce or eliminate the frequency, looseness and damping must be reduced/increased. The 2 primary bushing concerns are:
Rear Cradle
EP1200 Zeta II Rear Extreme Sub-Frame Connector Kit $248.43 for vehicles under say 450HP at the rear
EP1201 CAMARO TOTAL REAR SUB FRAME BUSHING REPLACEMENT $449.03 For vehicles over 450hp or vehicles with drag radials


Rear Differential Mount bushings
EP1167 Zeta Rear Differential Bush Kit $108.36 For vehicles with under 450hp at rear
EP1167HD REAR ZETA HD DIFFERENTIAL BUSHING KIT $138.36 For vehicles with over 450hp at the rear or Drag radials


This would be the first step I would do.
Here is our 1st level Drag Package. Also includes are extended alignment kits front and rear.:

PEDDERS CAMARO BASIC DRAG BUSHING PACKAGE
Merlin Store P/N is CAMAROBASICDRAG
10/5/09 The Zeta II CAMARO Platform Is an excellent beginning suspension package that can be greatly improved with the magic that Pedders has to offer. Wheel hop is an issue for the G8. There will be 3 levels of Pedders Drag Packages to meet the needs of the occassional user to the hard core user. This is Level 1, our basic package

Part # Pedders Component
EP1201 CAMARO TOTAL REAR SUB FRAME BUSHING REPLACEMENT
EP1167HD REAR ZETA HD DIFFERENTIAL BUSHING KIT
EP6578 CAMARO Front Radius Rod STIFFENING SNUBBERS (new)
PDUSACAMFULL CAMARO REAR EXTENDED CAMBER, TOE ADJUSTERS, FRONT CASTER ECCENTRICS & CAMBER ADJUSTERS

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I am "hopefully" planning on getting the EP1201's and adding the EP1167HD. I have been reading about the trailing arms - do you think I should add these? Are the trailing arms worth it??
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I am "hopefully" planning on getting the EP1201's and adding the EP1167HD. I have been reading about the trailing arms - do you think I should add these? Are the trailing arms worth it??
Replacing the trailing arm bushings yes.. Replacing the trailing arms themselves, not. The issue is with bushing control and not the strength of the arm itself. Now one of our drag race oriented Pedders dealer who is running hp on a G8 tried some rear trailing arm, and had issues with noises running hard street and canyon runs.

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Replacing the trailing arm bushings yes.. Replacing the trailing arms themselves, not. The issue is with bushing control and not the strength of the arm itself. Now one of our drag race oriented Pedders dealer who is running hp on a G8 tried some rear trailing arm, and had issues with noises running hard street and canyon runs.

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Sounds good - thanks for saving me some money there. I can't wait to get the rest of the Pedder's stuff installed. LPE did the Xa's but I still have to get the front radius rod bushings, sub frame bushes, differential bushes and alignment kit in there. Thanks for helping me out
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I don't find the Pedder's site very user friendly. I know Pedder's stuff is second to none. I don't want to do a evaluation survey. I want to see the packages or the induvial parts, what the recomended use is, what the package includes and how much.

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I don't find the Pedder's site very user friendly. I know Pedder's stuff is second to none. I don't want to do a evaluation survey. I want to see the packages or the induvial parts, what the recomended use is, what the package includes and how much.
the Pedders site has a serious amount of information; more than any other suspension manufacturer out there.

With that said, is is the link to the Camaro systems:

https://secure.merlinsoftware.com.au...AMARO+PACKAGES

Now after you have looked at them, you may be alittle confused as to which one. That is where I can assist you. Just contact me.

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I don't know why you guy's are pushing so hard when half the parts have not even been produced yet? And then they have to be literally shipped to the US. Just another hurry up and wait. And wait. For who knows how long, and then who will get their shit before you.
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I don't know why you guy's are pushing so hard when half the parts have not even been produced yet? And then they have to be literally shipped to the US. Just another hurry up and wait. And wait. For who knows how long, and then who will get their shit before you.
I think we have done more R&D than all other suspensions manufactures combined. We have been fanatics on our development and have made multiple changes, and multiple levels. I.E. 3 different options for front radius rod bushings, 2 options for rear diff bushings, 2 options for rear cradle mount bushings, and 3 options for sway bars.

We recieved our Pedders Camaro later than we thought. Others may not know, but there was a running change in one of the bushings.

We thought it was important to document what we were doing. Granted, it is a real pain not having this stuff in the states. But we should be in very good shape very soon We just completed last weekend our ultimate tests with great success. However, I cannot discuss it until the magazines publish their articles. Pete may be able to put some info together this week for posting.

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Can ANYONE, anyone give me an answer on when the radius rod BUSHINGS and HD differential bushings will be in this country? And second, when they are, where am I positioned to get them?
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Can ANYONE, anyone give me an answer on when the radius rod BUSHINGS and HD differential bushings will be in this country? And second, when they are, where am I positioned to get them?

We should have product the middle of next month or so. You will have to go thru your Pedders dealer to find that info out. Probably too soon to find this info out anyways,

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I think it's great they've been up front thru the whole process of R&D... Look at Mike's join date, Aug. 07. I've been following their progress since last year myself. I wouldn't say they're pushing, they're keeping us informed.
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Savings of $515.38.

This is a value Package with a kick. The new state of the art Pedders eXtreme Xa coil overs are revolutionizing the auto community. The Mono tube 30 way adjustability will give you the ultimate in desired ride; a flexible ride. Maximum comfort when you want, to killer control when you have to show the world you are on top of your game. This package will include the critcal bushings of Street 1. Plus our alignment package will give you full alignment extended alignment capabilities front and rear.

Retail $1,699.99 EA

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160086 Camaro Ext Xa Adjust Coilover 1
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EP1200 Camaro Rear Sub Frame Insert 1
EP6577 Camaro Front Radius Rod Bush 1
PDUSACAMFULL Camaro Full Alignment Kit 1

All the bushings listed are currently sold out. Al of them have been in stock, but due to a SERIOUS demands, and 18 plus Camaros for SEMA, we our out. By the end of next month we should have a bunch back in country, as well as our hd versions as well.


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