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Old 10-04-2009, 10:46 PM   #1
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Ressurecting Pontiac?

We're all thinking it so im just saying it, should we rally to bring back our long lost evil twin? I've been pondering this, along with many many other people i would assume, so im very interested in starting a thread about it. So to start off the discussion here's a few reasons why i believe Pontiac should be re-instated:


-First of all Pontiac started the "muscle car" as we know it today when it dropped the biggest V8 it could find into the Pontiac Le Mans (which would go on to become the GTO) and challenged Ferrari to a duel of GTOs. After the smoke cleared Pontiac had pulled off a miraculous win and so born was the American muscle car. (lets just neglect the fact that Pontiac cheated, LOL, they arent known as the "Darth Vadar of the road" for nothing LOL). Not only did Pontiac start the muscle car, it reigned supreme through most of the muscle car era, and became the last standing true muscle car after the government castrated our beloved coupes. Pontiac kept the dream alive for years with the 455, then the 400, and still refused to compramise by adding turbo chargers when all else failed.

-Pontiac started it with the GTO but remained on the fore-front of "badass" with the Trans Am. Sure Mustang fans can boast that they have the only muscle car to survive every year since its birth, but who can possibly compare a 2nd Gen Trans Am to a fox-body Mustang? It just doesnt happen, the econo-box stang gets lost in that menacing black coat, the bezeled gauges, and especially that torque-breathing dragon on the hood. From the muscle car era, past the muscle car era, into the modern era, the Trans Am was THE car to have hands down.

-Now i could go on and on about the company's past exploits but what's really important is the market place today. Recently the market has swayed into the favor of the muscle car. People are putting aside their petty penny-pinching attitudes for a taste of true freedom that only an American V8 can provide. Now in a time like this, how can Pontiac be over-looked? Pontiac is a virtual gold-mine waiting to be tapped, the GTO, Trans Am, and any other performance models that arent just re-badged bogus models would sell out faster than anything seen in recent history. How can GM stand and say GMC is a better investment than Pontiac when all it consists of is re-badged Chevrolet trucks? Its just not the same "muscle car war" without the flagship bad-boy brand. Pontiac could be the definate savior GM needs right now if they would just put in the time and effort needed. No more lame re-badging, stick to the hot issue right now which is muscle, muscle, MUSCLE! and never stray from the idea that Pontiac is the premiere performance brand.

**With the market today, how can it be over-looked so easily? So I ask the publics oppinion, what would you think about a revival of the red arrow?
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Old 10-04-2009, 10:48 PM   #2
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Since it isn't even dead yet...

No. I'd have to vote against the "ressurection" of Pontiac. I would agree only on one of two conditions:

One: GM regains approx. 5-8% market share.
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Two: They drop another brand and replace it with Pontiac.

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Old 10-04-2009, 10:49 PM   #3
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to be honest im upset they went out of busisness and would love it if they came back..nice write up
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Old 10-04-2009, 10:50 PM   #4
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Maybe if were lucky in several year's they will make a comeback like the Camaro only it will be with a Firebird and one or two other's and with any luck it will do well.
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Old 10-04-2009, 10:50 PM   #5
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Since it isn't even dead yet...

No. I'd have to vote against the "ressurection" of Pontiac. I would agree only on one of two conditions:

One: GM regains approx. 5-8% market share.
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Two: They drop another brand and replace it with Pontiac.

Chevy, GMC, Buick/Pontiac?
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I hated to see Pontiac go down because of them redoing the Firebird... but oh well.
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I would love to see that new Trans-Am on the streets.
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:00 PM   #8
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Yeah, i was kinda leaning towards putting another brand on the chopping block, i mean GM really burned Pontiac to the ground when they started re-badging Chevy's as Pontiacs, but its the same thing they do with GMC now, and i havent heard so much as a peep out of Buick since the dawn of time so i'd vote to toss Buick or GMC for Pontiac

Then it would have to be done right. Ressurect the GTO and Trans Am but definatly dont make the T/A just a re-badged Camaro like it was for a long time, finally make it its own car...an easy, and GREAT way to do this would be to have Pontiac start developing performance engines again
Chevy can focus on economy and keeping with the green and all and Pontiac can focus on the power aspect, that way we dont need to worry about an unfavorable compromise when buying our cars
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:08 PM   #9
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Yeah, i was kinda leaning towards putting another brand on the chopping block, i mean GM really burned Pontiac to the ground when they started re-badging Chevy's as Pontiacs, but its the same thing they do with GMC now, and i havent heard so much as a peep out of Buick since the dawn of time so i'd vote to toss Buick or GMC for Pontiac.
Buick is a Solid brand-name. Unadulterated, though currently somewhat stale. The things coming down the pipe for the next two-three years will change that, though.

And GMC is GM's second-most profitable brand.....

And you can't chop Chevy or Caddy.

See where I was coming from?
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:11 PM   #10
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Yeah, i was kinda leaning towards putting another brand on the chopping block, i mean GM really burned Pontiac to the ground when they started re-badging Chevy's as Pontiacs, but its the same thing they do with GMC now, and i havent heard so much as a peep out of Buick since the dawn of time so i'd vote to toss Buick or GMC for Pontiac
Seen the 2010 Buick LaCrosse? And all the other vehicles in the Buick future product pipeline?

And as much as GMC is made up of rebadged Chevys, they're GM's biggest profit-maker.

Not to mention both brands have an overseas market...Pontiac was NA only.
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:13 PM   #11
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You have to keep Chevrolet, GMC, and Cadillac IMO. Those are all iconic GM brands... but the others are really a toss-up IMO. I'd go with whatever had the best sales and the best proposed future sales as the 4th.
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:15 PM   #12
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Hm, true
In the end i have to shake my fist at Bob Lutz for not seeing the gold mine he's standing on, if the Camaro alone can make such an impact that it pulls GM this far out of the fire then imagine a whole brand of Camaro-based ideals 0_0 haha, Lancelot rides in to save the day LOL

Also Pontiac would be the perfect platform to start pushing E85, since its notoriously a more performance-oriented fuel (from higher octanes) Pontiac could pounce on that big time, and instead of having a few E85 cars peppered here and there you could actually have a brand dedicated to the transition (of course they'd be hybrid at least at first for both E85 and gasoline)...that would solve everyone's trouble, the American Economy becomes less dependant on foreign resources like it wants, GM gets to uphold its promise for greener futures like they want, and we get to keep our power-house American toys like we want!
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Old 10-05-2009, 10:01 AM   #13
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Buicks are the biggest selling brand in China. And China is the world's most populated country. That's why GM isn't going to drop Buick.
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:50 PM   #14
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Hm, true
In the end i have to shake my fist at Bob Lutz for not seeing the gold mine he's standing on, if the Camaro alone can make such an impact that it pulls GM this far out of the fire then imagine a whole brand of Camaro-based ideals 0_0 haha, Lancelot rides in to save the day LOL

Also Pontiac would be the perfect platform to start pushing E85, since its notoriously a more performance-oriented fuel (from higher octanes) Pontiac could pounce on that big time, and instead of having a few E85 cars peppered here and there you could actually have a brand dedicated to the transition (of course they'd be hybrid at least at first for both E85 and gasoline)...that would solve everyone's trouble, the American Economy becomes less dependant on foreign resources like it wants, GM gets to uphold its promise for greener futures like they want, and we get to keep our power-house American toys like we want!
Pontiac was a cash cow. Sales were horrible. Even the G8 wasn't a good seller. Bringing Pontiac would only cause GM to lose money again. Pontiac is dead for a good reason.
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Old 10-05-2009, 02:07 PM   #15
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Pontiac was a cash cow. Sales were horrible. Even the G8 wasn't a good seller. Bringing Pontiac would only cause GM to lose money again. Pontiac is dead for a good reason.
Blunt but true :/ The only reason why I hated to see Pontiac go was because of the revival of the Firebird... but then again GM needs to focus on getting back on its feet and not on bringing back bad ass cars lol.
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Old 10-05-2009, 02:12 PM   #16
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How about a new Buick Grand National...remember those. Intercooled tubocharged V-6...smokin.
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There is no need for them to come back. They are just a face. Their products have a long history of sucking, and it's about time they go away.

GM needs to keep the G8 in other trim though.
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Hm, true
In the end i have to shake my fist at Bob Lutz for not seeing the gold mine he's standing on, if the Camaro alone can make such an impact that it pulls GM this far out of the fire then imagine a whole brand of Camaro-based ideals 0_0 haha, Lancelot rides in to save the day LOL

Also Pontiac would be the perfect platform to start pushing E85, since its notoriously a more performance-oriented fuel (from higher octanes) Pontiac could pounce on that big time, and instead of having a few E85 cars peppered here and there you could actually have a brand dedicated to the transition (of course they'd be hybrid at least at first for both E85 and gasoline)...that would solve everyone's trouble, the American Economy becomes less dependant on foreign resources like it wants, GM gets to uphold its promise for greener futures like they want, and we get to keep our power-house American toys like we want!
What are you smoking? The Camaro has pulled GM out of the fire? Are you serious? Have you seen GM's numbers lately?
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There is no need for them to come back. They are just a face. Their products have a long history of sucking, and it's about time they go away.

GM needs to keep the G8 in other trim though.
Next Gen Impala most likely...
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What are you smoking? The Camaro has pulled GM out of the fire? Are you serious? Have you seen GM's numbers lately?
I know I didn't want to say anything to seem like an ass. But there is little chance that one car could pull any automotive company back from the brink, unless it's totally innovative... Like a car that runs on water! (Love That '70 Show! )
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I think there is a reason GM didn't try and pawn off Pontiac like it did with Saturn. Maybe, maybe one day when they are nice and profitable, and pay us back our tax money, I could see them bringing Pontiac back as a low-volume specialty make.
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I think there is a reason GM didn't try and pawn off Pontiac like it did with Saturn. Maybe, maybe one day when they are nice and profitable, and pay us back our tax money, I could see them bringing Pontiac back as a low-volume specialty make.
Imma need a lot of bags of popcorn to wait on this to happen.
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Pontiac was a cash cow. Sales were horrible. Even the G8 wasn't a good seller. Bringing Pontiac would only cause GM to lose money again. Pontiac is dead for a good reason.

GM had horrible marketing of the G8. And it didn't help that it debuted as a new model of RWD Thirsty V8 right when gas hit $4.50/ gallon. When gas started falling the economy took a huge hit, then shortly after that pontiac was announced dead. And oddly enough that is when everyone started buying up the G8s. They out sold Buick, and Saturn, and Hummer, and I think Cadillac the months after learning pontiac was going away. (rebates helped with that admittedly)

Any objective car review I have seen states that the G8 is the best Pontiac ever built, as far as fit/ finish, quality, and argueably design.

:( I am sad to see it only have a 2 year run. well 2.5 model years to be exact. 2008, 2009, and 2009.5

Just when pontiac was getting cool with the Solstice GXP, and the G8 GT/ GXP and even the G8 base (V6). They finally got away from cheesy body cladding and bam, GM is effected by the credit drying up. They had to make cuts, and Pontiac made the most sense.

I too would like to see pontiac back.

I've owned 3 pontiacs
And the G8 is several classes ahead of the previous two

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I thought the G6 was the V6 version and the G8 was the V8 version? Seemed logical to me because of the corresponding numbers lol.
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Imma need a lot of bags of popcorn to wait on this to happen.
I know, right? I figure if Chrysler of all companies could pull it off and pay us back once before, then maybe if I 'hope' hard enough GM will too.

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