Hennessey HPE550 Camaro vs GT500 vs SRT8

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Yeah that's to buy the complete car from them. You can get the 550 package for $14k installed from Hennessey, so $35k+14k=$49k. Still would be a better deal to get the GT500, I think.

Agree, that is why GM needs to build the Z28, and forge the motor in the Z28. For $50K you get the Hennessey-mobile pretty much maxed out at 600HP, or you get the stock GT500 at 540HP, which is easily modded up to 800Rwhp.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

haha people commenting on that vid are sooo stupid... all the ford fanboys are upset but in reality it is a totally fair race

I'm not exactly sure how it's fair, especially for the Challenger. And if you consider that fair let's put the Roush P51 up against it. Or maybe one of the Saleen's.

[TaylorRyanSS]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I'm not exactly sure how it's fair, especially for the Challenger. And if you consider that fair let's put the Roush P51 up against it.

I am talking about price range, its a fair race imo

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

I am talking about price range, its a fair race imo

Ok then it still would'nt be fair for the Chally and the price for that one is well over the GT500's price as well.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by meanmike

Now I think I'm just being a troll. Lol! So I wont say what is obvious. Anyhow this company is crooked, so I would'nt do buisness with them anyway.

They can be priced anywhere from $42,000-$62,000. You could buy the 1SS Camaro which starts around $31,000 and get the mail order kit for around $11,000 to bring the total to around $42,000. So it just depends of your stupid enough to buy the whole car directly from Hennessey or not...

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I'm not exactly sure how it's fair, especially for the Challenger. And if you consider that fair let's put the Roush P51 up against it. Or maybe one of the Saleen's.

The P 51 has a lower Hp rating than the GT500?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

I am talking about price range, its a fair race imo

I agree. People are talking about mod this and that but they aren't realizing the whole point of this comparison is the bang for your buck factor. I mean do you honestly buy cars saying, "Well I can mod this more than I can mod that... So that makes this one better, even though I'd spend more money than a car that I could buy that would be equally as fast." Most people go, "Hey this is faster than the other car for the same price!"

[Stew]

IMHO, not fair at all, you have condsider it as buying from saleen, because if you start modding yourself, then it's an open field day. So how is comparing a 60k Camaro, to a 48k GT500 and a 42k Challenger fair again?

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Stew

IMHO, not fair at all, you have condsider it as buying from saleen, because if you start modding yourself, then it's an open field day. So how is comparing a 60k Camaro, to a 48k GT500 and a 42k Challenger fair again?

As fair as adding the GT500-SuperSnake to the mix, at $72K and 750HP!

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

As fair as adding the GT500-SuperSnake to the mix, at $72K and 750HP!

Considering the Camaro is 12k more than the GT500 and the Supersnake is 12k more than the Camaro, that sounds fair to me

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

The P 51 has a lower Hp rating than the GT500?

Yes it does but it hook's up better and and has more torque. I have seen what one of them will do against a stock 07 or 08 Z06 and it's very impressive. And actually those are under rated by about 40 horse and 40 pound feet of torque.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by a_Username

They can be priced anywhere from $42,000-$62,000. You could buy the 1SS Camaro which starts around $31,000 and get the mail order kit for around $11,000 to bring the total to around $42,000. So it just depends of your stupid enough to buy the whole car directly from Hennessey or not...

Ok still you have to figure part of the GT500's price tag is because of it's body design I mean it's not like they took a stock GT and just added power so you are'nt just paying for performance. So to make it equall you would have to figure in the price for apperance. And if were talking about it coming from GM as a Z/28 then you dont have the option to do what you want and that will keep the cost at least equall to the GT500. And I doubt GM will rip you off like this company will, price wise..

[KoTToN]

Originally Posted by a_Username

They can be priced anywhere from $42,000-$62,000. You could buy the 1SS Camaro which starts around $31,000 and get the mail order kit for around $11,000 to bring the total to around $42,000. So it just depends of your stupid enough to buy the whole car directly from Hennessey or not...

mother Fing truth right here

I dont know why all the mags use this hpe550 for the review? The price is way jacked up from a company who is shadey at best with their business practices.

You could throw an LPE570 kit on a base 2SS at 34k = 45k + some pedders suspension work = 46,47k and you would be at the same performance lvl, and price point as the gt500.

Although I still dont see this as a fair review for the Srt8 as its NA, but thats dodges fault for pricing the msrp at 43k and not giving much room to mod and stay in the <50k range.

[2010 2-Tone]

Originally Posted by KoTToN

mother Fing truth right here

I dont know why all the mags use this hpe550 for the review? The price is way jacked up from a company who is shadey at best with their business practices.

You could throw an LPE570 kit on a base 2SS at 34k = 45k + some pedders suspension work = 46,47k and you would be at the same performance lvl, and price point as the gt500.

Although I still dont see this as a fair review for the Srt8 as its NA, but thats dodges fault for pricing the msrp at 43k and not giving much room to mod and stay in the <50k range.

The rest of the Ford guys just can't take it that Ford has never built a car that could compete with Chevy for the same price. If it has happened in the past it hasn't been too many times!!! GET OVER IT!!!!!!!

[Stew]

Originally Posted by KoTToN

mother Fing truth right here

I dont know why all the mags use this hpe550 for the review? The price is way jacked up from a company who is shadey at best with their business practices.

You could throw an LPE570 kit on a base 2SS at 34k = 45k + some pedders suspension work = 46,47k and you would be at the same performance lvl, and price point as the gt500.

Although I still dont see this as a fair review for the Srt8 as its NA, but thats dodges fault for pricing the msrp at 43k and not giving much room to mod and stay in the <50k range.

But alas, most of the current tuner cars are NOT based on the SRT-8, but rather the R/T which starts at less than 31k. They are made bySaleen, Hurst, Mr Norms, etc etc, and run with as much as 700+ HP.

[Mod007]

Originally Posted by TaylorRyan74

haha people commenting on that vid are sooo stupid... all the ford fanboys are upset but in reality it is a totally fair race

The Ford guys are ok with me. I just hate these F-ing ricers how talk smack about all three of these nice cars. The funny part is when you look at their videos they posted, it's cheap 1990 Honda's that cost less then a Cat back & CAI.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by 2010 2-Tone

The rest of the Ford guys just can't take it that Ford has never built a car that could compete with Chevy for the same price. If it has happened in the past it hasn't been too many times!!! GET OVER IT!!!!!!!

I dont know why you say they cant just because they dont. Then again it could be turned around on you buy saying that GM cant buid a car to compete with the Cobra's or Mach's and whatever other one's they built. Where was GM's awnser to those car's? Sure they may finally have one but they never have in the past.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by Mod007

The Ford guys are ok with me. I just hate these F-ing ricers how talk smack about all three of these nice cars. The funny part is when you look at their videos they posted, it's cheap 1990 Honda's that cost less then a Cat back & CAI.

That made me think of these vid's

[Vega]

I think it was a totally fair race, people just rag on it cause the Camaro isnt a production car but its pretty much exactly what the Z/28 is shaping up to be. Just for a minute forget the fact that the Camaro is Hennessey and just look at it from a vehicle on vehicle comparison, the Z/28 is rumored to have the LSA which is a supercharged LS3 (exactly what we see here) also there are rumors of suspension upgrades (again as we see here) and even more rumors of weight cuts (something we dont see here) so in my oppinion yeah this is a totally fair comparison, its as close to the Z/28 as we've seen yet and in fact the Z might even out-do this car altogether...people just need to stop looking at it so literally and see the comparison as its supposed to be...yeah this is a Hennessey, yeah its way more expensive, no its not a production car, this and that, but still this is pretty much exactly what the Z/28 is supposed to be so just forget all the pricing and Hennessey stuff and think of it as a Z/28...like i said, people take it too literally, they need to think outside the box for a minute

[2010 2-Tone]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I dont know why you say they cant just because they dont. Then again it could be turned around on you buy saying that GM cant buid a car to compete with the Cobra's or Mach's and whatever other one's they built. Where was GM's awnser to those car's? Sure they may finally have one but they never have in the past.

You are right. There for a couple of years they did a good job. You must be forgetting about the Vettes!!!! O how about the Chevelle's with the big blocks, and the Copo Camaro????? The Camaro came out in 67 and I know for many years that Chevy handed to the Fords. Let's not EVEN talk about the last 15 years with the LT1 cars and especially not the LS cars. So help me out here???? In the last 40 years or so how many years was Ford REALLY on TOP?????

[Vega]

Originally Posted by meanmike

I dont know why you say they cant just because they dont. Then again it could be turned around on you buy saying that GM cant buid a car to compete with the Cobra's or Mach's and whatever other one's they built. Where was GM's awnser to those car's? Sure they may finally have one but they never have in the past.

The original Z/28 was the answer to the Boss, the Boss, T/A Challenger, and Z/28 were all made for the Trans Am racing series so in a sense they're all each brand's interpretation of a street-legal race car, and if im not mistaken wasnt the Boss a higher tier than the Mach1? Also i gotta add that while the Z/28 was the highest tier Camaro and rivaled the Boss and not the Shelby, still Ford had to send their car away to a secondary tuning company to get it (which i would also like to add to this thread's main point, the Camaro may be built by Hennessey but so what? The Mustang was built by Shelby), GM could have done that with the Camaro but never did, i personally think it could have been better than the Shelby if they did though...just my oppinion

Oh yeah...forgot about the COPOs...those were better performance cars even without an after-market company like Shelby or Hennessey or Hurst, etc.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Vega

I think it was a totally fair race, people just rag on it cause the Camaro isnt a production car but its pretty much exactly what the Z/28 is shaping up to be. Just for a minute forget the fact that the Camaro is Hennessey and just look at it from a vehicle on vehicle comparison, the Z/28 is rumored to have the LSA which is a supercharged LS3 (exactly what we see here) also there are rumors of suspension upgrades (again as we see here) and even more rumors of weight cuts (something we dont see here) so in my oppinion yeah this is a totally fair comparison, its as close to the Z/28 as we've seen yet and in fact the Z might even out-do this car altogether...people just need to stop looking at it so literally and see the comparison as its supposed to be...yeah this is a Hennessey, yeah its way more expensive, no its not a production car, this and that, but still this is pretty much exactly what the Z/28 is supposed to be so just forget all the pricing and Hennessey stuff and think of it as a Z/28...like i said, people take it too literally, they need to think outside the box for a minute

They is a WAY over simplification there. While similar in concept the Z28 would have to a to be a totally different car. Whereas Henessey doesn't have to make consessions for a production accessible ride/mandling balance, emmisions requirements, Aso, what gind of supercharger does the Henessey use? Do they redce the compresion like is done on a factory FI car?

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by 2010 2-Tone

You are right. There for a couple of years they did a good job. You must be forgetting about the Vettes!!!! O how about the Chevelle's with the big blocks, and the Copo Camaro????? The Camaro came out in 67 and I know for many years that Chevy handed to the Fords. Let's not EVEN talk about the last 15 years with the LT1 cars and especially not the LS cars. So help me out here???? In the last 40 years or so how many years was Ford REALLY on TOP?????

Since when did the Vette's compete against a Mustang? I thought we were comparing apple's to apple's here. And I never said the GT beat the LT's of coarse they did'nt. I asked what GM's awnser was to those other car's such as the Cobra's or Mach's and I think the other is called Buillet's, because it certainly was'nt the LT's,s and then you respond with car's that are like 30 year's old or with the Vette wich is not a direct competitor. And as far as the LS car's again of coarse the GT's could'nt beat them. So let me ask you this what was GM's awnser to the Cobra's and dont say the Vette's because they were not.

For your last question I honestly dont know but I would say it is pretty equal.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by Vega

The original Z/28 was the answer to the Boss, the Boss, T/A Challenger, and Z/28 were all made for the Trans Am racing series so in a sense they're all each brand's interpretation of a street-legal race car, and if im not mistaken wasnt the Boss a higher tier than the Mach1? Also i gotta add that while the Z/28 was the highest tier Camaro and rivaled the Boss and not the Shelby, still Ford had to send their car away to a secondary tuning company to get it (which i would also like to add to this thread's main point, the Camaro may be built by Hennessey but so what? The Mustang was built by Shelby), GM could have done that with the Camaro but never did, i personally think it could have been better than the Shelby if they did though...just my oppinion

Oh yeah...forgot about the COPOs...those were better performance cars even without an after-market company like Shelby or Hennessey or Hurst, etc.

Your right for the most part but how many year's ago were those car's made? I like 30 so what about between then and now. And as far as the new Shelby I am pretty sure those are all Factory car's because thay are SVT or what ever just like the Terminator's.

I will say you are correct, in the past they did have an awnser, but that was long ago.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by meanmike

Since when did the Vette's compete against a Mustang? I thought we were comparing apple's to apple's here. And I never said the GT beat the LT's of coarse they did'nt. I asked what GM's awnser was to those other car's such as the Cobra's or Mach's and I think the other is called Buillet's, because it certainly was'nt the LT's,s and then you respond with car's that are like 30 year's old or with the Vette wich is not a direct competitor. And as far as the LS car's again of coarse the GT's could'nt beat them. So let me ask you this what was GM's awnser to the Cobra's and dont say the Vette's because they were not.

For your last question I honestly dont know but I would say it is pretty equal.

Respond with a car thats 30 years old? The Cobras ended production after 1970? You're talking 30 year old cars too dude, like previously stated the Z/28s and COPOs were the direct rivals to those cars...if you wanna talk newer cars the Camaros had the 1LEs which were 3rd gen supercars, Ford had nothing to compete with that when they were made...id say the Camaro has always had a direct rival to anything the Mustang ever did.

Yeah, after reading more on the subject, Shelby Mustangs ceased production in 69' (but some were sold as 70's cause they were left over) and after that no Shelby Mustangs were made until 2006 which at that time there was no Camaro to rival it anyways...so yeah, we're both talking 30 year old cars here dude, lol...but i can agree with you on one thing, the Corvette was never a rival to the Mustang, i dont care if im on the winning or losing side of an argument i never compare 2-seat cars to 4-seat cars in terms of performance, its just two completely different classes of cars that should never be thought of in the same light.