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Old 06-17-2010, 11:18 PM   #101
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Spy shot of the Turbonetics Camaro on the dyno:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=398847674964
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:27 PM   #102
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THis is the setup I want.....
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:21 AM   #103
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This system needs to be on my car.. I want to try it with my longtubes and cats to my flowmaster catback.. I love the connection point they used and I love the fact that its not bolted to the manifold!! A+++++ design!
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Old 06-18-2010, 03:40 PM   #104
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For those California people you'll be happy to know that Turbonetics isn't releasing any kits that aren't CARB exempt(approved).

Got some more details. The kit is most likely going to release with a 62mm compressor but the kit was designed to fit a T-series compressor cover so if someone wants to get really crazy later you could easily replace the unit in the kit with a 76 or 78mm turbo later for even more power. With the 62mm compressor Turbonetics is looking at making 625+ CHP at 5-7 PSI on 91 pump. The final dyno chart and kit design is being unveiled at SEMA in a few weeks. I'll be there so I'll post up more photos, details, etc then. Hopefully I'll even get some video for you.
I cam promise you (1) 62mm turbo will not make 625 at the crank at 7psi - perhaps 10 to 12. Turbonetics was the first to admit they would have loved to done a twin but they knew it would be an uphill battle to get legalized. That ended that. They did a great job of engineering the single kit but again look at all the plumbing it took - You have none of that with a twin set up and it flat out makes more power. If fact the GMS kit as 2 62mm turbos and it still packages with half the tubing as the Turbonetics kit.

In this case 2 is for sure beter than 1
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:42 PM   #105
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Update for everyone. The kit was released today:

http://turboneticsinc.com/systems/2010-camaro-ss

Specs: Turbonetics T76 Ceramic Ball Bearing Turbocharger
· Massive Spearco front mount intercooler with a 4.5x26x11” core
· 2 Turbonetics Evolution 35mm wastegates
· Turbonetics Duo 35 by-pass valve
· T304 stainless steel TIG welded exhaust plumbing
· Aluminum intercooler and air intake plumbing
· 8 x 630cc/min fuel injectors
· 8 x NGK TR6 spark plugs
· Diablo hand held programmer with CARB legal tune (CARB approval pending)
· Coolant/window wash fluid reservoirs
· Hardware kit (fasteners, gaskets, clamps, instructions, EO label, etc.)

Dyno Chart:
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:44 PM   #106
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I cam promise you (1) 62mm turbo will not make 625 at the crank at 7psi - perhaps 10 to 12. Turbonetics was the first to admit they would have loved to done a twin but they knew it would be an uphill battle to get legalized. That ended that. They did a great job of engineering the single kit but again look at all the plumbing it took - You have none of that with a twin set up and it flat out makes more power. If fact the GMS kit as 2 62mm turbos and it still packages with half the tubing as the Turbonetics kit.

In this case 2 is for sure beter than 1
You're correct. That post was with outdated info. It just released with a 76mm compressor
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:06 AM   #107
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Hmm... CARB number for this?...
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:13 AM   #108
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Hmm... CARB number for this?...
Yup. Last I heard the car has already gone through the testing process and passed and is just waiting for CARB to issue the official EO number.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:14 AM   #109
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A year later....
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:23 AM   #110
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Yup. Last I heard the car has already gone through the testing process and passed and is just waiting for CARB to issue the official EO number.
Hmm... Looking at the placement of the turbo, it looks like there shouldn't be a problem utlizing the OEM air cleaner and carbon trap. I'd like better pictures and more information; if you have any suggestions, please feel free to comment.

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Old 10-20-2010, 11:42 AM   #111
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Hmm... Looking at the placement of the turbo, it looks like there shouldn't be a problem utlizing the OEM air cleaner and carbon trap. I'd like better pictures and more information; if you have any suggestions, please feel free to comment.

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As far as I know the factory airbox is being used. I think it has to be to pass CARB EO testing.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:45 AM   #112
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As far as I know the factory airbox is being used. I think it has to be to pass CARB EO testing.
That's my understanding, too. I'm not much for turbocharging (just because I prefer SC'ing a tiny bit more) but it certainly doesn't hurt to have too many choices!
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:46 AM   #113
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i was hoping for better numbers, but this ain't bad. I still think a TVS s/c & cam would be cheaper for the same power, yes?
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:47 AM   #114
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A year later....
about time.
Yeah but I guess CARB testing takes pretty long.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:48 AM   #115
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i was hoping for better numbers, but this ain't bad. I still think a TVS s/c & cam would be cheaper for the same power, yes?
That cam won't have a CARB number though... You could go with LS9 or some other tame cam, but you have to open up the engine, and all that. IMVHO - in a region where us Cali'-people live, if you want to remain compliant, we gotta' spend the $$$ on a lot of compromised parts. I don't consider these CARB-legal FI systems compromised, for the record, though
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:53 AM   #116
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Yeah but I guess CARB testing takes pretty long.
Air Resources Board is one of my clients and it does take a while, depending on what it is. I test blasting media for them (yes - apparently, in California's great wisdom it is necessary to make sure blasting sand and other material meets a certain size...) and I'm sure coordinating labs and testing facilities can cause delays much of the time. I know I'd like to learn more about how this process works though. I've heard it costs several thousand dollars, but beyond that, I don't know...
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:53 AM   #117
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i was hoping for better numbers, but this ain't bad. I still think a TVS s/c & cam would be cheaper for the same power, yes?
Well one thing to consider is as radZ28 said this kit had to be kept at a specific point for CARB. In Florida where there is no CARB you are open to do what you like. And I know for a fact that 76mm compressor is good for 1,000 HP of air if you crank the boost on the tuner kit with your own EMS.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:57 AM   #118
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Air Resources Board is one of my clients and it does take a while, depending on what it is. I test blasting media for them (yes - apparently, in California's great wisdom it is necessary to make sure blasting sand and other material meets a certain size...) and I'm sure coordinating labs and testing facilities can cause delays much of the time. I know I'd like to learn more about how this process works though. I've heard it costs several thousand dollars, but beyond that, I don't know...
I've never seen the full requirements to go through CARB but I know it ain't easy. Simple intake kits have failed requirements on some cars. Heck the intake kit on my truck wasn't CARB EO for over 2 years after it was released. Of course like the good (read scared of a fine) citizen I waited till it was because lets face it it's only a truck. It's damn expensive for sure but the process takes forever. I know from my past cars that for turbo kits they check a lot of parameters for emissions (CAT light up time, cold start emissions, etc). It aint easy or cheap to pass something I know that for sure.
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:06 PM   #119
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Are there a bunch of install pictures that we could see?
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Old 10-20-2010, 12:45 PM   #120
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Are there a bunch of install pictures that we could see?
I haven't see any yet other than the ones on the first page of this thread. Once the Install Guide gets posted there should be plenty of them though.
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Air Resources Board is one of my clients and it doe I know I'd like to learn more about how this process works though. I've heard it costs several thousand dollars, but beyond that, I don't know...
A manufacturer needs to meet certain standards that are put out by the ARB. Any modifications to the car have to not alter the emissions output of the vehicle as originally certified.

A manufacturer has to put an application into the ARB and provide testing results to demonstrate the emissions from a vehicle. http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/forms/forms.htm

"Exempted parts are add-on or modified parts that have undergone an ARB engineering evaluation. If the part or modification is shown to not increase vehicle emissions, it is granted an exemption to emission control system anti-tampering laws. This exemption is called an Executive Order (EO) and allows the modification to be installed on specific emission controlled vehicles. Every Executive Order part or modification has an assigned number that can be verified by Smog Check stations, BAR Referee stations, or by the ARB."

"To ensure that these systems operate as designed, California Vehicle Code Section 27156 and the Federal Clean Air Act prohibit modifications that increase motor vehicle emissions. Since if properly designed, most performance modifications do not increase vehicle emissions, these same laws also allow the installation of parts or modifications proven by their manufacturers and the ARB not to increase vehicle emissions. "


You can see the application form here - http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/forms/formc.pdf

The ARB will let the manufacturer know what test they want to see. An FTP cold, or hot start test , measures the complete emissions output of the vehicle. An FTP is an 11 mile simulated drive cycle, run on a dyno. Most lab tests run in the $2000 range per test. There are very few testing labs in the US.

I didn't see anything mentioned in that application, but there is also testing done on a federal level for evaporative emissions testing. Normally a open element air filter has problems with this test, so to keep everything more simple, most manufacturers going for CARB certification keep the stock airbox. They also generally want to keep parts costs to a minimum, and testing costs to a minimum so they test in the one configuration.

I have worked with FTP testing on grey market imported cars. It is a procedure, but in order to get CARB certification, it is what is required.
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Old 10-20-2010, 04:24 PM   #122
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Old 10-21-2010, 02:03 PM   #123
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Here are some recent pictures I just took via my cell phone. The last one I'm trying to show you the intercooler with BOV but its hard to make out.




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Here are some recent pictures I just took via my cell phone. The last one I'm trying to show you the intercooler with BOV but its hard to make out.




I can't see them from this computer :( Maybe later.

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Interesting design for sure....

I would be afraid of the hot side piping acting as a transmission pan heater on the L99 cars tho.
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