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Old 10-10-2009, 10:43 PM   #1
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Funny dealer story.....

So I visited a local South Florida Chevy dealer to see if they had any Camaros on the lot. I roll up in the Vette with my girlfriend and immediately walk over to to a red SS RS with charcoal stripes, manual and sunroof. Beautiful. The salesman was on us like white on rice.

The car was locked. I told the salesman I'd like to see the inside of the car, could he get the keys, please. After about 10 minutes, he finally finds them, another salesman had them. Funny thing...they had 3 SS out front and 1 inside the showroom. The three out front were locked. Strange, because they were under the overhang.

Anyways, the salesman gets the keys and I sit down in it. The salesman tells me the car is used, as are the other two out front. Used???

He said they have around 300 miles on them. I'm not sure how he got 3 used SS (two manual, 1 auto, 1 RS).

Anyways, I told him that I'll take the car right now for 1,000 under MSRP, seeing as the car is "used".

He goes to talk to his manager and comes back a few minutes later. He tells me that the price is 41k.

I laughed....I said, I can buy a "new" one from various dealers I see online for MSRP. Why would I buy a used one for 5k over MSRP?

He said that the dealer paid more than MSRP for the car, so he has to make his money back. My girlfriend said "then your GM made a bad deal, and he'll have to sell them at some point and take a loss." LOL

The salesman said that somebody will come in and pay over MSRP for it. He said all of those on the road that I've seen...they all payed over MSRP.

I looked at the guy and said "You see that blue Corvette over there, the reason I have that car is because I'm good with money, and I only buy when it's a good deal, and this is not it."

I then followed that up with "when you're serious about selling the car....how about I give you my number and you call me."

Salesman said "sorry, can't do that...somebody will pay what we're asking."

I said good luck and rolled on out.

I understand......dealers are there to make money. However, they had 3 of those cars sitting on the lot....three!!! They would have had two left if they were willing to deal. I just don't get it. I guarantee nobody will pay 41k for that car....no way.

Anyways...I'll just have to keep on shopping.....

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Old 10-10-2009, 10:53 PM   #2
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$3k-$5k over MSRP. I did find a dealership in Hudson Florida who is selling at MSRP, plus GMS, plus the $500 GM 60-day guarantee (they had 3 SS’s and 1 2LT/RS on the lot). I picked up the 2LT/RS this morning.

The sad part is that some dumb ass will pay the sucker sticker some people can care less.

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Old 10-10-2009, 11:28 PM   #3
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I have a dealer in a close neighboring town that always seems to have USED Camaro for about 5-7K above MSRP, (remember used cars don't have freight charges so 7K over sticker is really about $8K over!). I wonder if some dealers are getting together secretly and selling cars to each other just to resell them at gouging prices. Here in Canada it is illegal for dealers to sell over MSRP, so that is how they would get around it.
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Old 10-10-2009, 11:31 PM   #4
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I just bought mine at a local dealer. I told them I would give the MSRP as they were after $2995 market adjustment! They told me they could not do it that other dealers were asking and getting $5000 over for them all day long.

So I told them fine I would not pay it I could go to other dealers and get it for sticker. The sales manager politely called me a liar. So then I noticed something. The dealership managment had been taken over by one from 6 miles down the road. So I rode down to that dealership and talked to the manager about ordering one. He tried to sell me a white one off the showroom floor and I told him I did not want white. He says well I will order what you want or sell the white one for MRSP! I said thats funny cause the dealership down the road you now run has one I want and called me a liar when I told them other dealers are selling them for MRSP. He said well let him know.

I drive home and 2 hours later the saleman from the first dealership calls and offers to sell the one I want to me for only $2000 over. I said not when I can buy them for MSRP. I got the you can not pitch so I unloaded that the manger from the dealership that was taking them over just tried to sell me one off the lot or order one for me for it.

Surprise!, they called the next day to offer it to me for sticker. LOL I bought it of course.

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Old 10-11-2009, 12:26 AM   #5
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Bob Steel Chevrolet in Cocoa, FL picked up a bunch of used 2010 Camaros at the auction and he was adding $3000 bumps to the cars.
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Old 10-11-2009, 01:44 AM   #6
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Its funny what people will do with there money? A friend of mine bought a 2SS/RS, drove it about 800 miles, than sold it at an auction for 1K more than he paid for it. Can you guess what the dealer that bought it is going to ask for it? I'm sure it’s going to be at least 3K over what he paid for it.

The way I look at it, there are people willing to pay whatever it takes to a have a 2010 Camaro. It's a hot car. While most of the people on this website will not pay over MSRP, There seems to be a lot of people who will. I think it's great that people want a new Camaro and are willing to pay whatever it takes to have one.

For those of us that have waited for this car to return, and better then ever before, it's great to see this much excitement about it. For those that have been able to buy a 2010 Camaro, isn't great to know that right now it seems to be worth more then what you paid for it to the right buyer???
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Old 10-11-2009, 01:58 AM   #7
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How can there be used Camaro's on lots already? Are people jumping the gun, buying them and then realizing they can't afford it?

I don't understand
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Old 10-11-2009, 03:21 AM   #8
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I will never pay over MSRP for a car. In fact this is the first car that I would have actually paid MSRP for. Luckily I qualified for the supplier discount. I don't understand why they do this. You could easily go online and find a dealer that sells for MSRP and order from them.
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Old 10-11-2009, 03:22 AM   #9
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I will never pay over MSRP for a car. In fact this is the first car that I would have actually paid MSRP for. Luckily I qualified for the supplier discount. I don't understand why they do this. You could easily go online and find a dealer that sells for MSRP and order from them.
Cause some people are too rich/lazy to go looking for a good deal
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Old 10-11-2009, 07:18 AM   #10
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A dealer up here tried that. They got a used 1ss auto with 400 miles on it. In June. They started at $43,995. They still have it......... down to $39,995. I am just glad some idiot hasn't went and bought it, I hope they have to sit on that thing till next october.
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Old 10-11-2009, 07:32 AM   #11
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Some dealers are buying one, sitting it out by the road, and attracting business. Bob Steel is a bunch of crooks! Warning. Stay away!
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Old 10-11-2009, 07:45 AM   #12
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Hmmm... selling used camaro's? I find it hard to believe that people are returning them. I ran into the 5-10k over MSRP for new ones back in July all over South Florida. One dealer told me he was buying them from other dealers who were selling at MSRP. Maybe the dealership is putting those miles on since they cant get rid of them with the inflated prices.

Every once in a while the dealers I talked to here send me an email asking if I am still interested.... I send them a pic of my 2SS that I bought at MSRP

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Old 10-11-2009, 08:11 AM   #13
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The dealer in Ocala was up to five in stock last time I stopped. Salesman told me that they were to sell for no less than 5k over. I told him I could drive an hour and a half (Stingray Chevrolet in Plant City) and buy one for MSRP all day long. He politely told me "well, everybody is getting over MSRP"
I told him I hope they sell all five of them for ten grand over, but none of them would be to me. Also, on that same note, do you feel as if you know 10 times as much as these salesmen about this car? I know that they are not obsessed with the car as we are, and that they have many models to keep up with, but this is what they do for a living.
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:33 AM   #14
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I guess its just a job for them? I had the same response from one dealer in an email and I replied "Have you ever heard of Camaro5.com". His response was I remember when I was into cars like that when I was younger????

I thought I was doing him a favor by pointing out there are a lot of good dealerships out there selling at MSRP but it fell on deaf ears.
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:55 AM   #15
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I guess its just a job for them? I had the same response from one dealer in an email and I replied "Have you ever heard of Camaro5.com". His response was I remember when I was into cars like that when I was younger????

I thought I was doing him a favor by pointing out there are a lot of good dealerships out there selling at MSRP but it fell on deaf ears.
This might be a southern thing because up here seems like everyone ....at least on the net is selling MSRP. We just got our 2SS/RS Thursday!!! Our dealer bought the car from a Maine dealer....and put it on his lot....didn't mark it up at all. Didn't drive it down either....car only had 9 miles on it!!! A&T Chevy in Sellersville PA
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Old 10-11-2009, 09:06 AM   #16
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I bought mine off the lot at MSRP AND mine is number 28...
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Old 10-11-2009, 09:19 AM   #17
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Dealer story

I tried to order a 2SS orange Camaro from Peltier Chevrolet at msrp back in July. They said it would be $5000 over msrp (to order it). They had 2 on the lot that were ordered and not taken, $8500 over msrp each. Jerks!!
I looked and looked and someone on this forum mentioned Classic Chevrolet. I contacted them and ordered my car 8/3/09 AT MSRP. I just found out the other day (while tracking VIN #) that my vehicle was not ordered with the sunroof (although I clearly have in writing where I ordered a sunroof). Classic said it was their mistake and they are installing a power sunroof for free. My car shipped on the train 10/6/09 - and will hopefully arrive soon!
Keep looking, there are decent dealers out there.
I have heard from several dealers that no more SS's are able to be ordered till next year so GM can focus on increasing V6 production numbers. This is why the upcharge on used SS's.
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Old 10-11-2009, 09:37 AM   #18
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I know a lady who worked for a local GM dealer for many years. She told me she was surprised to see how many people bought vehicles and paid sticker price and where happy. She said it was at least 1/2 of all sales if not more. She processed them so she knew what they sold for and how much profits they made.

There are people who can afford to pay what ever the dealer asks and its likely someone will come in and pay that, as long as the car remains popular.
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Old 10-11-2009, 09:59 AM   #19
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there is a dealer here selling them for 10k over, and getting it! CRAZY!!!
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Old 10-11-2009, 10:48 AM   #20
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I just found out the other day (while tracking VIN #) that my vehicle was not ordered with the sunroof (although I clearly have in writing where I ordered a sunroof). Classic said it was their mistake and they are installing a power sunroof for free. My car shipped on the train 10/6/09 - and will hopefully arrive soon!
I'll tell you again. Walk away. There is no way in Hell, that I would let anyone other than the factory chop a hole in the roof of my car. You are asking for leaks and other issues. Also, don't let them tell you it's the same guys that install them at the factory. It's not! Those "guys" are working up in Canada! It may be the same company, but I guarantee you, the "guys" that are going to take a sawzall to your roof...it will be their first time to do so! Walk away....
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Old 10-11-2009, 11:52 AM   #21
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Keep shopping.... With the winter months approaching, the SS demand should wind down.

They typically are USED because a dealer took them right to the auction when they arrived. Thus, they are SOLD and titled, making them USED.... Some dealers made well over MSRP at the auctions....some get exported, some wind up on other Chevy lots by dealers who didn't have much allocation to start with. Or on a competing brands lot, because the car is a draw for attention. SO, the warranty clock is TICKING.
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This might be a southern thing because up here seems like everyone ....at least on the net is selling MSRP. We just got our 2SS/RS Thursday!!! Our dealer bought the car from a Maine dealer....and put it on his lot....didn't mark it up at all. Didn't drive it down either....car only had 9 miles on it!!! A&T Chevy in Sellersville PA

I agree on the Southern thing..... Here in Florida it seem we are the last to get allocations. As a consumer you have two choices, wait and get at MSRP or pay 5-10K over. Here in Pinellas county, with a population of a million people we have 3 Chevy dealers (I think)... Two sell at MSRP and one at 5K over .... The people that don't want to wait get theirs at the 5K over store, while the rest of us wait 4-6 months. Also it's unfortunate that these dealers aren't very open to drop shipping from other dealers.....Kinda the stuck between a rock and a hard place thing ....
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Good dealer/bad dealer

I worked in a very large GM store for many years; yes, Dorothy, there are good dealers out there....and "bad" ones. It might be a trick to find a dealer you like, but just because you like them doesn't mean the next customer will (think about that for a moment!)....doesn't necessarily make them "bad" to everyone. My local dealer is just fine for me; in fact, I'd rather work with a small local dealer than some giant discount house that you end up taking a number to buy a car. And, my TPW is the week of 19 October; 2SS/RS, IOM, 6M, Sunroof, black rally stripes and 20" polished wheels. Price was right and car is on the way soon!
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I tried to order a 2SS orange Camaro from Peltier Chevrolet at msrp back in July. They said it would be $5000 over msrp (to order it). They had 2 on the lot that were ordered and not taken, $8500 over msrp each. Jerks!!
I looked and looked and someone on this forum mentioned Classic Chevrolet. I contacted them and ordered my car 8/3/09 AT MSRP. I just found out the other day (while tracking VIN #) that my vehicle was not ordered with the sunroof (although I clearly have in writing where I ordered a sunroof). Classic said it was their mistake and they are installing a power sunroof for free. My car shipped on the train 10/6/09 - and will hopefully arrive soon!
Keep looking, there are decent dealers out there.
I have heard from several dealers that no more SS's are able to be ordered till next year so GM can focus on increasing V6 production numbers. This is why the upcharge on used SS's.
Good luck!
I'd be Leary of that. Don't the sunroof cars come with a smooth roof and non sunroof cars with the reverse Mohawk?
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