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Old 06-21-2008, 07:44 PM   #1
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Thougts from Carlisle

I was at the All GM Nationals at Carlisle today and thought I would share some things. I was at the presentation by the Bumblebee and Vert concepts. The hood was up on the vert and it had a LS2 with AFM in it. I know that it has been said that the LS2 will not be in the production version. 2 of the deciples were there but I don't remember their names. There is so much that they can't say but this is a list of the new things I heard today.
1-There will be some pre-pro cars at the Indy Bash in September, but John
Fitzpatrick said that there won't be all the colors and models.
2-There will be information starting after the end of July about what models
will be available, but not pricing. They kept saying 45 days when asked
specific questions like will there be an SS and Z/28.
3-Pricing will be similar to Mustang, model for model.
4-GM cannot dicatate what dealers are allowed to charge. They give a MSRP
but dealers can charge what they feel they can get out of them. Scott said
that all cars sold in California right now are being sold above sticker, or at
least have the add on sticker beside the sticker.
5-Road & Track never spoke to anyone at GM about their article on the
Camaro. John said they have some things right but they have a lot of things
wrong.
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Old 06-21-2008, 08:25 PM   #2
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LOL what R&T got right

It is a Camaro and it is made by Chevy
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Old 06-21-2008, 09:07 PM   #3
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Chevrolet isn't stupid enough to release in depth information this early.

The rest of the information ought to be good for those who are still confused about when information will be released and who controls MSRP.
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I thought at Indy there were supposed to be production cars, hence the word "revealed". We've seen pre production, otherwise what would be the big deal?
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I can't wait till the end of july to find out more details. I wonder if they will compare the current mustang prices because as all of us are aware, the new mustangs with upgraded engines are soon to be released and I'm pretty sure ford is going to start pricing with the base model in the low 20's
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LOL what R&T got right

It is a Camaro and it is made by Chevy
Yeah, that's about it! Its a Camaro and its made by Chevy...those guys at Road & CRACK are journalistic marvels are they not?
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"I thought at Indy there were supposed to be production cars, hence the word "revealed". We've seen pre production, otherwise what would be the big deal?"


Scott said that the first cars built would be driven by GM Executives, such as himself, John, Cheryl. I would imagine that Ed would get one too since he is a Camaro guy. These would be driven as test cars so that any problems could be addressed before actual retail cars would be built. He also said something funny. He said that nobody builds a perfect car. A lot of peoplr think Toyota and Honda do, but those buildings behind the showrooms there are service facilities. And they always have a lot of business. LOL
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That didn't answer my question. Even the countdown on top says "production car revealed"
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this thing with the dealerships really scares me.
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:22 PM   #10
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Wish the "CA add-on sticker" would be explained more. Anyone have any information on this? Will I have to go out of state to buy my Camaro at MSRP?
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Interesting things mentioned at the Carlisle, I would imagine the fbodfather will have some words on the event this coming week?
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That didn't answer my question. Even the countdown on top says "production car revealed"
Your question has me wondering too, wouldnt it kinda be pointless to unveil something that weve all been seeing since about or before January?? Plus havent we been told the exact opposite??? If my memory serves me correctly (it probably doesnt) we were told that there would be mulitple trim levels being unveiled, in multiple colors... we just werent told what the trims levels or colors would be. That's what got me so hyped about the Indy Bash. So I come back to pinkcamaro10's question, are we gonna see production ready-ish cars, or more IVER cars??? Fbodfather, please chime in, your words a needed.
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Old 06-22-2008, 11:42 PM   #13
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If all the dealers in Cali are charging above MSRP, they can kiss it.

I expect to see production cars at Indy.

I look forward to hearing what's said in July!

Thanks for the info, mxkx250!
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Old 06-23-2008, 12:23 AM   #14
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I took his comment to mean that in California the dealers all seem to have the add on stickers now. A few of them here in WV have them. Adjusted Market Value, Regional Advertising, things such as that. Even though these stickers are on the cars, dosen't mean that you can't negioate them off. Problem is then when you are trying to negioate into the meat of the sticker, the salesman says how much he already knocked off.
I didn't get all worried about this comment. He said that there are 5000 (don't remember the exact number) Chevrolet dealers and if one won't bargain down to sticker, go to another one until you find your best deal.
It has never been said outright, but I wouldn't expect to buy one for less than sticker the first year. (unless gas goes completely out reason like 6 or 8 dollars a gallon. Then try to get an Aveo for sticker, without a huge markup. LOL)
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By the end of 2009 when my camaro is released, gas will more than likely be at $6 a gallon or even more...


As for the negotiation, I'm going to take my mother with me when I buy the car as she used to work for the industry and knows all the tips/tricks and might even know someone working for the Chevy dealership I buy my car from.
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That didn't answer my question. Even the countdown on top says "production car revealed"
what's the answer? somebody please answer.
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I'm surprised that no one with more information hasn't chipped in. I would imagine that these will be production cars built for testing not retail. Scott sadi that the execs would be driving Camaros to get the bugs out and I would guess these will be the ones in attendance. I don't think the evalations would change anything major that would be visable. He said that he just finished a evaulation of a car (unamed) and there was a gap in the steering wheel chrome ring that they were going to address. Things like what the controls feel like, do the turn signals feel like they are going to break off when you use them, things like that.
I feel positive that what we will see at Indy will be what we will be buying in 09.

Also, John said that no matter what we read in the media, timetable remains the same, it isn't being pushed back.
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Yeah...we'll be seeing production versions at Indy. They wouldn't feed us crap about that. Production or ....I'll go nuts....
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Old 06-24-2008, 05:55 AM   #19
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I also remember it being said that the first Camaros produced would be for the execs to evaluate for fit and finish and tweaks in production processes before salable cars would produced. There won't be enough time to make any major changes before actual production starts, so I doubt there will be anything major that will change.
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