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Old 10-14-2009, 09:35 PM   #1
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FAST LSxr 102mm intake showed up today!

just got in from installing the new FAST intake, man does this intake look massive when next to the stock intake.

i used the factory fuel rails and injectors along with the fast spacer kit. here are a few things i noticed during the install that were not in the instructions:

1. you need 2' of 1/2" vacuum line to re-connect the power brake booster because the fast has the vacuum port in a different location

2. you need the oil pressure sender positioned so that the locking tab of the connector is facing twards the rear of the vehicle or the intake will hit and bolts wont line up

3. the fast intake has the wrong vacuum connector for the line that goes to the drivers side valve cover/pcv, i used a short piece of 3/8 vacuum line for now and cut off the plastic line so i could slip the 3/8 hose over it

4. the map sensor harness will not reach, and needed to be extended about 4"

5. if using the fast injector spacers, install them while the upper part of the intake is off, otherwise the spacers hit the upper cover and wont press straight in

6. you will need a small vacuum cap for the rear of the intake, the fast intake has a small vacuum port on the back that is not used on the camaro.

total time 2 1/2 hours that was including a trip to the parts store.






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Old 10-14-2009, 10:36 PM   #2
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I spent 5 hours tuning on one today after a 1 hr install.

You also need not to install the STUPID FUC#$% WASHER THEY CALL A SPACER ON THE IDLER PULLEY.You need to MACHINE THE PULLEY BACKSIDE DOWN OR INSTALL A SMALLER IDLER PULLEY AND BELT TO CLEAR THE THROTTLEBODY.What ever MORON at FUEL AIR SPARK TECHNOLOGIES that thought it was OK to mis align the tensioner pulley by ..020 is a FUC$%^ IDIOT.

The Map connector will reach if you untape it in its loom and re route it and re tape it back up.

The end result on a slightly modded car was - 3RWHP AND 4 RWTQ

Sorry for the rant,but I could not bring it to my self to charge the customer after all that work.I told him to go to the track and see if he runs any faster.If he runs faster than I will charge him for it,if he does not run any faster I will take it back and give him a full refund...unlike what the guys at FAST WOULD EVER DO!


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Old 10-14-2009, 10:58 PM   #3
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We installed a FAST 102mm LS7 intake on a 600 RWHP C6Z06.

Total gain 2 RWHP 5 RWTQ.
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:12 PM   #4
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hmm, starting to wonder about these posts, especially post #22

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Old 10-14-2009, 11:32 PM   #5
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Katech and Halltech tested one of the first LSXR intakes on the Katech Superflow dyno used for the C6.R Race engines they built, and our 429 E85 motor gained 14 HP/ 20 lbs-ft. just swapping the intake out. The dyno below was done first at 12:1 CR and just swapping out the intake it went from 615 HP to 629. The 636 was with 13:1 CR, and prior to the 102mm Williams Performance Throttle body.



The LS3 needs more cam before any real bennys will be gleaned from this intake manifold.

Our LS7 motor is now at 650 HP/600 lbs-ft with the addition of the 102mm throttle body and 13:1 compression on a steady diet of E85.

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Old 10-15-2009, 12:18 AM   #6
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We gained 18-23rwhp on MANY of the LS7 Vettes using the Fast.

As stated above-We gained virtually nothing on the L-99.

BTW-We are making 363RWHP and 382RWTQ out of this L-99.

This car runs strong at the track,we just want to see when it stops making power with all stock internals...Looks like we are there.

If the Intake does not help him on friday night,I am taking it off and installing it on my LS3 head 427 Camaro that is currently at 560rwhp with stock LPE PORTED Intake.

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So is it worth the money to buy a FAST intake with gains of around 3 rwhp?
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:57 AM   #8
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So is it worth the money to buy a FAST intake with gains of around 3 rwhp?


HELL NO!

Glad I have finally been patient on something by not getting this done yet.....

I was turned off from the moment I was told the belt tensioner would have to be modified to work with a 102 TB...

What were they thinking????
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:15 AM   #9
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+1 for ADM and G-force , for telling the truth and not trying to just sell some parts that dont work so great .

So this would be last on the list of bang for the buck mods for a LS3 !
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results may be great on a head/cam engine, i should have put mine on the dyno before and after but i was in a hurry to get it installed. hopefully adm will get to test on their 427 engine.
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results may be great on a head/cam engine, i should have put mine on the dyno before and after but i was in a hurry to get it installed. hopefully adm will get to test on their 427 engine.
RPM in Garner, NC just did a FAST - NW TB install on a Head, Cam engine and I think they were a little disappointed in the results also.
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:36 AM   #12
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RPM in Garner, NC just did a FAST - NW TB install on a Head, Cam engine and I think they were a little disappointed in the results also.
Looks like I'll be saving my money for something else now
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RPM in Garner, NC just did a FAST - NW TB install on a Head, Cam engine and I think they were a little disappointed in the results also.

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Old 10-16-2009, 12:22 AM   #14
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Please don't tell me I spent $1,100 bucks on this thing to see no gain......

What about the tests from before? showing 14rwhp and tq? were they just making it up?

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Old 10-16-2009, 12:24 AM   #15
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I was out at MTI this morning and they were talking about it..basically they were saying the more radical the cam the better response from the Fast Intake...dont quote me on this as i was in awe looking all of the stufff they had going on in the shop
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I was out at MTI this morning and they were talking about it..basically they were saying the more radical the cam the better response from the Fast Intake...dont quote me on this as i was in awe looking all of the stufff they had going on in the shop
If it actually does make a difference with a cam I wouldnt mind, it's one of the things I want to do to the car along with ported heads, but I want to go down to dallas to have ADM do it.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:28 AM   #17
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FAST is working on some updates.
This manifold was fully designed and in production before the Camaro was released.
Some of these issues are already covered in the Instruction Sheet.
There will be a Q&A/FAQ release very shortly.
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Updates are welcome, but that wont help all of us who already bought and have the intake installed unless they do exchanges.
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Old 10-27-2009, 05:49 PM   #19
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so with a cam is the 102mm fast intake manifold worth it? i found one for less than $800
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and for 800 its probably not worth it.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:09 PM   #21
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sure does look good when you get the heater hoses re-routed and the vacuum lines ran under it:

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Old 10-27-2009, 09:52 PM   #22
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Well, from the Gen3 Hemi stuff, the 5.7 has this crappy looking plastic intake and the 6.1 has a really nice looking cast aluminum intake with larger/shorter runners and works well on the 6.1s

The 6.1 intakes suck on the 5.7's the ports size kills the intake charge velocities, you loose low end and don't make enough up on the top end to make up for the low end loss. It seems the Hemis really like port speeds ( our Street Strip heads are seeing 340cfm @ 28inchs at .500 as I recall on my heads ).

We have stock 80mm TB's and we don't see a gain on the 90's unless you are running a HUGE cam or spinning the motor to the upper end.

We don't really see gains on TBs until we are in the 392 to 440ci motors.

One thing you all have us beat on is being able to spin the motors higher, we are stuck at 6800 even one our built motors. we still have Valve spring issues and computer issues going beyond that in the Auto cars.

I just cant see getting all that much from a "fairly" stock motor with a 102mm TB bs say an 85 or 90.

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sure does look good when you get the heater hoses re-routed and the vacuum lines ran under it:

Looks better painted and the MAP relocated to the back of the LSXR as seen on our Katech/Halltech E85 Ethanol Super Bee Package shown here:

Halltech's Carbon fiber Super Beehive with the Halltech Killer Bee Ram Air Induction. 429 with 13:1 compression ratio and 675 HP/620 lbs-ft torque. The LSXR and 102mm Billet throttle body.

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WOW, Jim that looks fantastic!

FAST is working on a LSXR FAQ. They should have it at SEMA. I'll post a copy when I get it.

I don't believe that any of the LSXR manifolds are considered a "Stock replacement". They are to support more flow with cams, heads and increased displacement. Remember, FAST is part of the COMP PERF GROUP which includes Comp Cams and RHS. Their products support each other.


Here are couple of items I did get clarified.

PULLEY WASHER/ALIGNMENT

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On the nipple; the LS3 camaro has a new nipple. In the short term, we INCLUDED the hose he mentions. We have already tooled the correct Camaro nipple and it will phase in once available.; keep in mind, this manifold was fully designed and in production before the 2010 Camaro even existed.
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intakes like the FAST LSXR one are not made for stock motors. they are designed for motors that have been cammed, sprayed, blown, etc.

It is designed so that the individual runners can be modified for a specific length for a specific motor application. now if someone who has one already went and trimmed the runners here and there and did repeated dyno runs to see any difference on a stock motor, that might be worthwhile, but the intake as is on a stock vehicle is not worth it unless you plan some serious mods in the near future.
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