Twin turbo for the 2010 V6 Camaro

[Mosher]

The V6 is a great engine. Perhaps it won't make the same power as the LS3 does once modding comes into play, but if someone wants something a little different there is nothing wrong with the V6. It's no different then someone after marketing there 370z, or Genesis coupe, or whatever. I am confident it will make enough power to make alot of people go

[Mosher]

Originally Posted by Doc

The 6 is over 100 lbs. lighter than the 8 and handles better. She's building for autocross and short roadcourse racing; she's doing it exactly right for what she wants to do.

Also once you start getting lighter wheels (Aby has), lighter exhaust (dunno but she may have), and other parts, it all adds up.

[mike25]

Originally Posted by old motorhead

What would it cost to twin turbo a 6? If you want to go fast, trade for a V8 model. Add cam and all the bolt ons to the v8 and you're power and money ahead of adding two turboes to a V6. What am I missing? There is a certain amount of "cool" to owning a twin turbo v6. Otherwise, there's no reason to mess with two turboes on a v6. If you want to go fast, add a couple of cylinders.....not a couple of turboes.

if done properly with quality parts and a tune...your EASILY looking at 8k...not a bang for the buck kit by any means...

[matt55]

Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA

There's no dyno sheet cause Turbonetics hasn't published it yet. Either way we can argue semantics all day. My point was simple, not every car requires exactly double the atmospheric pressure to produce double the horsepower. I was simply trying to stress that x PSI does not equal X horsepower. X amount of CFM increase DOES equal X amount of horsepower. I'd prefer to agree to disagree then keep going back forth. You can use your calculations as you see fit and I'll stick with compressor maps, mass flow rates, etc that I use. It's conjecture anyways unless someone figures out how to properlly tune the DIS system on the V6 for daily use.

Iam with you some could need less and some could need more ...
Maybe I should have said "about 15 psi" vs "at least 15psi" .


Untill a tune is out we are all just spining our wheels

[bi11ymc]

Originally Posted by Pope Designs

I know this may piss off some off you but I must say that if you want that much HP out of a V6 why did you not buy the V8 to start with. The amount of $$ spent to Supercharge a V6 you could have easily had the V8.

Bryan

Wouldn't it upset you if your V8 was just beaten in a drag race by a V6 when the V6 owner is already using cheaper gas, paying less insurance and gets better gas mileage no matter how much they spent to out run you?

[scrming]

Originally Posted by brjray

Unique gets attention too. Not just stats from factory. I want to hear a bov hissing at the comp! My sister has an SS so getting the same thing is not too interesting. Beat her with a v6, now theres a challenge!

Plus the turbo t/a was legendary!

Scott Hoag, owner of MRT, driving his Twin Turbo 2005 V6 Mustang:



That car is an absolute blast to drive... I think he purposely put EXTRA LOUD BOVs on the car! Gosh, I love that sound! LOL!

[remjay]

Originally Posted by bi11ymc

Wouldn't it upset you if your V8 was just beaten in a drag race by a V6 when the V6 owner is already using cheaper gas, paying less insurance and gets better gas mileage no matter how much they spent to out run you?

with FI, you'll have to go to higher octane fuel and your gas mileage will drop; youre insurance would go up as well, as you should report the upgrades to your insurance co...

[scrming]

Originally Posted by remjay

with FI, you'll have to go to higher octane fuel and your gas mileage will drop; youre insurance would go up as well, as you should report the upgrades to your insurance co...

My insurance never went up and i checked with the insurance company... I was told they don't care what HP I had... the VIN said it was a 6 cylinder and that's all they went by...

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by bi11ymc

Wouldn't it upset you if your V8 was just beaten in a drag race by a V6 when the V6 owner is already using cheaper gas, paying less insurance and gets better gas mileage no matter how much they spent to out run you?

You think you are going to make the kind of power that beats V8's on your modded V6 using 87/89 octane unleaded? Good luck with that.

[GNVenom]

When will you all learn? Pay attention to the Grand National crowd. That's a 3.8L V6, making ungodly HP...look at the stats with those sixes.

The GN crowd has been worshiping the V6 for years. It's not uncommon to see 3600 lb. steel body Regals running 9's consistently. And they're always locking horns with the built V8 normally aspirated crowd.

Turbos are actually more efficient than superchargers, turbo lag notwithstanding. In fact, the fastest piston driven cars on the planet are turbocharged. Don't underestimate the V6 when the rules change...

[trudawg660]

Originally Posted by brjray

After crunching these numbers I seriously doubt we will get the same 7psi that the Leno Camaro had.

where did the sts v6 numbers come from

[GNVenom]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

You think you are going to make the kind of power that beats V8's on your modded V6 using 87/89 octane unleaded? Good luck with that.

Um,yeah. Happens all the time, doesn't require luck. Google Grand National sometime. Alky changed the rules, and pump gas/high boost is the norm. They beat V8's routinely.

My little V6 single-turbo Buick powered Cobra runs 11.40 ET and pretty much beats any LS motor or Ford BB I'm up against. and I get 25 MPG. Now I need to get my twin turbo Spyder to the track...

Now, when you mod the LSx motor with forced induction, well that changes things. Much respect for the LS family at that point.

I'd vote on the turbo'd V6 as a braggin' rights project. Been there, done that.

[GNVenom]

I always used the rough figure at 15hp/lb of boost. That one actually equated pretty well.

I should also add that if you are entertaining modding a V6 Camaro with the use of a turbo (or turbos), it would be beneficial to have an automatic trans to start with.

You will get better acceleration and quicker ET's with the auto trans.

It all has to do with spooling and boost; the boost hits, say, 15PSI from a launch, and STAYS there throughout the shifts. You can't do that with manual trans - you'd need to re-spool between shifts.

Pay attention to the Buick crowd. Lots of info there.

[GNVenom]

Since the V6 has base compression pretty high, you would need to limit turbo boost to say, 6 or 7 PSI. To really attain the big boost, you actually need to reduce your base cylinder compression. The 3.8L engines were around 7-1/2 to 1 base compression for the turbo applications.

The poor man's trick was to double up on the head gaskets. But the right way would be to install dished pistons to lower the base compression.

It seems the ECU has enough lee-way to get you enough fuel to suit your tastes, with a basic tune. Direct injection reduces the detonation effect so that's a plus.

[darwin]

Twin turbo seems a little too expensive, unless it gives results that surprise people. single turbo might be good enough.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by darwin

Twin turbo seems a little too expensive, unless it gives results that surprise people. single turbo might be good enough.

yep... single would be fine... Twins to show off! LOL!

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by GNVenom

Um,yeah. Happens all the time, doesn't require luck. Google Grand National sometime. Alky changed the rules, and pump gas/high boost is the norm. They beat V8's routinely.

My little V6 single-turbo Buick powered Cobra runs 11.40 ET and pretty much beats any LS motor or Ford BB I'm up against. and I get 25 MPG. Now I need to get my twin turbo Spyder to the track...

Now, when you mod the LSx motor with forced induction, well that changes things. Much respect for the LS family at that point.

I'd vote on the turbo'd V6 as a braggin' rights project. Been there, done that.

I don't need to Google anything, I'm well aware of what a Grand National is and what they are capable of running. See, I was actually old enough to legally drive when those cars first hit the showrooms/streets and remember well the 5.0 Mustang/GN shootouts that sprung up soon thereafter.

What I said still holds true. The fast V6 cars do NOT run 87/89 octane pump gas. Sure, they CAN run on it, but not without an alcohol assist at higher boost levels.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by brjray

Sounds like we need Rich to setup an episode of Pinks with these 2.

What does your car run garagelogic?

Don't know yet. I didn't everything installed and tuned before the local tracks closed, so now I'm just waiting until they open back up so I can get some runs in.

I'm hoping for mid-10's on the 93 octane daily-driving tune/boost level I'm running on the car right now. My last car, a KenneBell 2007 GT500, making a little less horsepower and quite a bit less torque, ran a 10.76 @ 131mph on drag radials with a 1.76 60ft time. That car, with driver, weighed 4160lbs.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by brjray

How much hp/boost if you dont mind me asking?

Street Tune (93 octane, 18 degrees of timing, ~18lbs)
737rwhp/776rwtq uncorrected
705rwhp/742rwtq SAE corrected

[daveprimo]

I hear J Leno turbo charges his car with his big dumb chin.

[FootballBanker]

Originally Posted by daveprimo

I hear J Leno turbo charges his car with his big dumb chin.

uhhhhh

[darwin]

i thought one of these companies would have a turbo or supercharger done by now. I want to buy one this summer, hopefully they will be done by then.

[mikevrod]

It really is ridiculous how the V6 has been forgotten when it comes to forced induction. All the manufactures last year said they have something by fall. Still nothing other than custom one offs.

[montej23]

Well there are alot more v8 out right now then v6's so the focus will be on the v8 cars cause of supply and demand. Be patient mods are coming for the V6.

[Ramsey]

Originally Posted by montej23

Well there are alot more v8 out right now then v6's so the focus will be on the v8 cars cause of supply and demand. Be patient mods are coming for the V6.

Patience is wearing thin.