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Old 10-18-2009, 03:13 PM   #1
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hmm interesting idea for z28

What if it was a package that had a twin turbo v6 with a better handling and braking package? light and fast possibly with better power/milage than the v8. Do you think the Camaro faithful would accept that. Maybe it would be a step toward the inevitable future of performance cars? I love my v8 but perhaps this would be a way of testing the waters? I know we all assume the pending z28 will have the LSA and is pretty much a finished design I'm just thinking down the road. Any thoughts?
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:20 PM   #2
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just a thought z28

What if it was a package that had a twin turbo v6 with a better handling and braking package? light and fast possibly with better power/milage than the v8. Do you think the Camaro faithful would accept that. Maybe it would be a step toward the inevitable future of performance cars? I love my v8 but perhaps this would be a way of testing the waters? I know we all assume the pending z28 will have the LSA and is pretty much a finished design I'm just thinking down the road. Any thoughts?
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:24 PM   #3
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Does anyone know what has happened to the tracking of orders by the Viz? It looks like the last posting were in July.
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:27 PM   #4
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I think you would have a hard time getting a TT V6 to make more HP than the LS3. And a twin turbo would cost more. But you might expect a bit more Fuel Economy.

Yes, aftermarket tuners will claim higher numbers, but aftermarket tuners would claim even higher for the LS3, so make sure you are comparing apples to apples.

The Ford Single Turbo V6 in the SHO is only 355 HP if I'm not mistaken.

Also the added weight of two turbos and an intercooler (go to have one of those) would likely weigh the same as an LS3 or pretty close.

So your potential is for Fuel Economy, but not a real HP challenge to the LS3. And don't forget the LS3/L99 are only 5 mpg lower than the LLT. So if you twin tubo that the LLT goes South from 29 EPA.

Not that it's a bad idea, you would just end up with something between the LT and SS and for some on the Z28 threads, that is exactly what they want. They think the SS should be king. And if anything went above the SS it should be the ZL1.

I'm sure you would have some takers for a package as you suggest.
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Old 10-18-2009, 04:50 PM   #5
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What if it was a package that had a twin turbo v6 with a better handling and braking package? light and fast possibly with better power/milage than the v8. Do you think the Camaro faithful would accept that. Maybe it would be a step toward the inevitable future of performance cars? I love my v8 but perhaps this would be a way of testing the waters? I know we all assume the pending z28 will have the LSA and is pretty much a finished design I'm just thinking down the road. Any thoughts?
Hmmmm...

To each their own but Im not diggin the Idea of a V-6 in the Z/28....

A Z/28 should growl not go Pssssshhhh every time you shift..
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Old 10-18-2009, 04:52 PM   #6
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Hmmmm...

To each their own but Im not diggin the Idea of a V-6 in the Z/28....

A Z/28 should growl not go Pssssshhhh every time you shift..
Brother, I'm with you on this one!
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Old 10-18-2009, 06:23 PM   #7
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Does anyone know what has happened to the tracking of orders by the Viz? It looks like the last posting were in July.
what does this even have to do with thread??\


c'mon man :(
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Old 10-18-2009, 06:23 PM   #8
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Does anyone know what has happened to the tracking of orders by the Viz? It looks like the last posting were in July.
lol wut?
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Old 10-18-2009, 06:25 PM   #9
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I really don't think the majority of the community would accept it. Most of this community is about muscle cars with big power. A twin turbo V6 would have some power, but it just wouldn't be the same or have the same feeling as a V8.
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Besides power, the added weight of a turbo/intercooler will partially offset the advantage of using a V6, and most of it will be up front. I think the LLT is only around 100 lbs lighter than the LS3. So a Z28 with a turbo 6 would likely weigh about 3800 lbs, with 53/47 weight distribution and makes lets say 400 hp. It could make more than that, but that would require a ground up design for a deticted high performance turbo engine with bullet proof internals and probably a strengthened block, which would be very costly.
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:25 PM   #11
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I vote for an all aluminum chassis and body maybe some fiberglass panels here and there with the LS3 and hot cam and better handling/performing suspension. That should reduce the weight a little. I think it would be a happy medium between a track pack camaro and a top dog camaro for the Z28..might affect the price a little
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I vote for an all aluminum chassis and body maybe some fiberglass panels here and there with the LS3 and hot cam and better handling/performing suspension. That should reduce the weight a little. I think it would be a happy medium between a track pack camaro and a top dog camaro for the Z28..might affect the price a little
But are you willing to pay for that? Z06 money for sure.
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Old 10-19-2009, 01:30 PM   #13
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That much huh? Probably not I guess that I will have to start recycling more to get the price down a little LOL I would definitely spend 50-55K for a car that in 20-30 years still be mechanically sound and not have to worry about rust degrading the integrity of the car.
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But are you willing to pay for that? Z06 money for sure.
On second thought yes sure when can I put my deposit down for one of those? Think of many of those who have already spent thousands of dollars putting maggies or turbos on their cars just to get that seat of the pants feel..I say that same feeling or better would be in a 2800-3000lb camaro with less horsepower than supercharged, better gas mileage and better handling? So I ask again, where do I put my deposit down?
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On second thought yes sure when can I put my deposit down for one of those? Think of many of those who have already spent thousands of dollars putting maggies or turbos on their cars just to get that seat of the pants feel..I say that same feeling or better would be in a 2800-3000lb camaro with less horsepower than supercharged, better gas mileage and better handling? So I ask again, where do I put my deposit down?
whoa whoa whoa

2800 lbs? 3000 lbs? They saved about 250 lbs from the steel chassis of the base corvette when going to the aluminum one on the Z06. It gained some weight back with more rugged drive train and suspension components. There is absolutely no way you could lose 1000 lbs off the Camaro that way. It might be 350 max since there is more steel in the Camaro than the Corvette. Even if they completely gutted the interior and removed the AC, stereo, and everything non-essential to operating the vehicle while replacing every possible ounce of steel with aluminum or fibreglass (or carbon fibre) then I still don't think it would get below 3000 lbs.
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I understand that Aluminum is basically a 3 to 1 weight ratio to steel, and to account for that the aluminum is not at rigid per se and there would be a need for extra aluminum for added strucural integrity, but there is a "ton" so to speak more steel in a camaro than there is a corvette, not really a good comparison in my opinion. Not trying to bark up the wrong tree here, maybe not exactly 1000 lbs but 6-800 lbs definitely seems realistic to me, maybe more. This is a Z28 right who needs all that other fancy stuff you speak about?
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I understand that Aluminum is basically a 3 to 1 weight ratio to steel, and to account for that the aluminum is not at rigid per se and there would be a need for extra aluminum for added strucural integrity, but there is a "ton" so to speak more steel in a camaro than there is a corvette, not really a good comparison in my opinion. Not trying to bark up the wrong tree here, maybe not exactly 1000 lbs but 6-800 lbs definitely seems realistic to me, maybe more. This is a Z28 right who needs all that other fancy stuff you speak about?
The Z06 is a smaller 2 seater with a lightweight suspension design, balsa wood/carbon fibre composite floor, fibreglass body, light weight wheels, and an aluminum chassis. It weighs 3200 lbs. No way can a factory built Camaro approach that. Its unibody construction limits the amount of fibreglass that can be used compared to the spaceframe design of the Corvette. It would be aluminum skinned at best, which is heavier than FG. You also have a 425 lb engine, fluids, the transmission, suspension, and a whole bunch of other stuff that can't really go down in weight.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:13 AM   #18
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The Z06 is a smaller 2 seater with a lightweight suspension design, balsa wood/carbon fibre composite floor, fibreglass body, light weight wheels, and an aluminum chassis. It weighs 3200 lbs. No way can a factory built Camaro approach that. Its unibody construction limits the amount of fibreglass that can be used compared to the spaceframe design of the Corvette. It would be aluminum skinned at best, which is heavier than FG. You also have a 425 lb engine, fluids, the transmission, suspension, and a whole bunch of other stuff that can't really go down in weight.
I've toyed with this, actually...no hard numbers or anything...but I sat down one day and took into account EVERYTHING in the car and compared the Corvette's net weight savings to the Camaro...NO MORE than 400lbs would be saved, and that's a very generous amount. The two cars are constructed completely differently, and that's the key to why it works in the Corvette and not the Camaro...

I don't have time right now, but if somebody's bored:
Look up the Aston Martin DB9. At least I think that's it. It's the closest thing to the Camaro on the market in terms of size, body structure, and suspension, and it it also one of the few unibody cars I know of that employs the use of aluminum...it didn't always, though. So look up what year they switched to aluminum...then compare that year's weight to the weight of the previous year's car. The results will be "enlightning".


I for one, would NOT be willing to pay Z06 money just to save a measley 300-400 lbs. I'd rather spend 2 grand on an exhaust system and add the equivilant 40hp. .
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