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Old 10-19-2009, 09:09 AM   #1
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Exclamation WAX and Swirls HELP

so I have waxed my car a few times using Meguires wax and noticed this weekend there are swirls all over my new car. I am flipping out it s a brand new car and has swirl marks can anyone help me please. It really looks looks bad up close but great from a distance. Is there anything that i can do to get this gone and looking new upclose again? I read about meguires 105 i was thinking of trying any other suggestions?
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:16 AM   #2
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What are you using to remove the polish? (And to dry the car as well?)

You can "fix" the swirls. Meguire's offers a couple of products that I've used in the past; 'SwirlX', and 'Ultimate Compound'. They both work well.

You'll want to be sure and use the proper aplicator as well as the proper towels for removal. I suspect this is what is cauing you your problems.

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Read Moose's thread about detailing, but I used Meg SwirlX and then waxed this weekend with great results. The best advice I can give is, clean towels and clean car before drying.
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:21 AM   #4
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i was using the applicator that came with the wax and using a 100% terry cloth. i would wax a section and let it set for a min the stat wipping off. Is this not correct
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so I have waxed my car a few times using Meguires wax and noticed this weekend there are swirls all over my new car. I am flipping out it s a brand new car and has swirl marks can anyone help me please. It really looks looks bad up close but great from a distance. Is there anything that i can do to get this gone and looking new upclose again? I read about meguires 105 i was thinking of trying any other suggestions?
How bad are the swirls? yes, 105 is awesome, but you may not need a product that strong just yet. Additionally, are you planning to use a machine to do the work?
Here is an example of using Megauiars 205 on a 5.5" orange ccs pad via porter cable 7424xp (~ speed 4-4.5).

before shot to show paint condition :banghead:


Couple of shots after just the 205




AFTERS




fwiw, after the 205, I used poliseal to give a base coat of protection and finished it off with CG 5050 wax
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:48 AM   #6
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Wow that looks better and i like the idea, im a little afraid to use a electic buffer on it cause i had a 95 firebird that i tried a electric buffer on and it took off paint. So i really am not good or know how to use a electric buffer to make it look like yours.
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Try using a random orbit buffer; much much lower chance of messing up your paint than a rotary buffer. Porter Cable makes a nice one. You probably had the bad experience with a rotary buffer Montej23.
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Wow that looks better and i like the idea, im a little afraid to use a electic buffer on it cause i had a 95 firebird that i tried a electric buffer on and it took off paint. So i really am not good or know how to use a electric buffer to make it look like yours.
Well, the Porter Cable 7424xp is a random orbital and not a rotary (which can be significantly more dangerous to use). The porter cable is by far the most widely used machine for detailing. I've set people up w/ the PC who have had the same concerns as you and they were able to achieve their desired results. I have no problem walking you through the steps necessary to do the job. You can even start out w/ just waxing the car using the machine in order to get a feel for it if that makes you more comfortable. There are plenty of pads that are super soft which would pose no danger to your paint.
Anyway, let me know what you think. Feel free to call me as well if thats easier for you. 908-451-6431.
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Try using a random orbit buffer; much much lower chance of messing up your paint than a rotary buffer. Porter Cable makes a nice one. You probably had the bad experience with a rotary buffer Montej23.
My thoughts exactly... You apparently type faster than I do though!
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Chris thank you for your help and time to help me get my results i want and require i would like to take you up on your offer. Maybe i can talk with you about what to buy and how to do it.

I am visual person so i like to see what im doing and getting so what do you recommend buying for the buffer, pads, ect...
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Chris thank you for your help and time to help me get my results i want and require i would like to take you up on your offer. Maybe i can talk with you about what to buy and how to do it.

I am visual person so i like to see what im doing and getting so what do you recommend buying for the buffer, pads, ect...
anytime! I'm glad I'm able to help

Theres a few ways to go about this, but lets start here:
Heres a buffer package I'd recommend picking up. This has the new Porter Cable 7424xp, 4.7/8" flexible backing plate and 2 lake country mfg 5.5" ccs foam pads. (white and black are standard, but I can adjust that for you depending on what route you'd like to take)
http://www.glimmerglassdetailing.com/poca74stkit.html

From there, its a matter of choosing a polish. If you'd like to go w/ the 205 as mentioned above, this is the link for that product:
http://www.glimmerglassdetailing.com/migl2ulfipo.html

If you'd like to take the same steps as I did above, the following product would be used after the 205.
http://www.glimmerglassdetailing.com/oppo1.html

And to top it off, 5050 concours wax
http://www.glimmerglassdetailing.com/50lisecopawa.html

Nothing is set in stone and I can certainly make alternative recommendations to any of the above items.

PM coming too btw
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Old 10-20-2009, 03:41 AM   #14
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anytime! I'm glad I'm able to help

Theres a few ways to go about this, but lets start here:
Heres a buffer package I'd recommend picking up. This has the new Porter Cable 7424xp, 4.7/8" flexible backing plate and 2 lake country mfg 5.5" ccs foam pads. (white and black are standard, but I can adjust that for you depending on what route you'd like to take)
http://www.glimmerglassdetailing.com/poca74stkit.html

From there, its a matter of choosing a polish. If you'd like to go w/ the 205 as mentioned above, this is the link for that product:
http://www.glimmerglassdetailing.com/migl2ulfipo.html

If you'd like to take the same steps as I did above, the following product would be used after the 205.
http://www.glimmerglassdetailing.com/oppo1.html

And to top it off, 5050 concours wax
http://www.glimmerglassdetailing.com/50lisecopawa.html

Nothing is set in stone and I can certainly make alternative recommendations to any of the above items.

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oh snap that wax is expensive for 1 can of stuff.

Anyways, how good is that sealant that you linked? Can it be used on wheels too? How long will it keep water beading on the car?

Also, I hear that the LC orange 4 inch pad is the best for polishing a car because it gives the best cut, and the larger pads are basically just good for applying glazes/waxes. Does this also apply to a finishing polish, like M205?
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oh snap that wax is expensive for 1 can of stuff.

Anyways, how good is that sealant that you linked? Can it be used on wheels too? How long will it keep water beading on the car?

Also, I hear that the LC orange 4 inch pad is the best for polishing a car because it gives the best cut, and the larger pads are basically just good for applying glazes/waxes. Does this also apply to a finishing polish, like M205?
Yea, it is pricey, but its also very Good!

Now, as for the Poliseal. This is a one-step product. It has some real minor abrasives in it, so while its laying down some protection for the paint, its also working to fix some minor spiderwebbing or oxidation. How long it lasts is tough to say b/c theres a lot of stuff to factor in such as the weather in your area (or the weather the vehicle sees), is it garaged? How is the car being washed and with what, etc. For a one-step product, its great though. You'll get a few months of protection out of it (from my personal experience), and it does a fantastic job of deepening the appearance of the paint.

Concerning the pads. 4" pads are going to "cut" better on a machine like the porter cable, however, a larger pad will cut better on a rotary due to the style machine and its rotation. Using a 4" pad on the PC to do the whole car can take a long time. I always recommend the 5.5" pads. I think they work very well on the PC and do a great job of correction when required.
I rarely have to use a pad stronger than orange. For doing correction, I would certainly suggest starting w/ an orange pad and your choice of compound. Finish down using a white pad and polish before waxing or sealing (either by hand or blk, blu or gold pad on the machine).
On the car above, I did use 205 on an orange pad, then used the PoliSeal on a white pad. Waxing was done by hand.
Hope this helps!!
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