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Beemer · 10-19-2009, 09:17 AM

I just have way too many problems with this car. Let's start with the exterior:

1. The styling is too aggressive.

I'm a pretty passive person by nature and I don't want the personality of this car to project onto me. The front looks like a snarling animal ready to pounce. Scary.

2. The paint is too shiny.

I spent last Saturday applying ZAINO to the car and I must have done it wrong because I can't even tell what color it is anymore (Victory Red, BTW). All I can see is shine and reflection.

3. It's too sexy.

What with the curves and hips that the body features I'm starting to have feelings about this car that no Christian man should have. I haven't looked it up but I'm pretty sure it's a sin.

Now about the interior:

1. The seat fits too well.

I think Oshawans must have busted into my house while I was sleeping and measured my butt because the driver's seat feels like it was made for my body. Creepy.

2. The audio system is too loud.

I can't even have a decent conversation with my wife because the audio system is always blaring Classic Rock and we're singing at the top of our lungs. That can't be good for marital relations.

3. There's too many dials, switches, knobs, displays, read-outs, etc.

I mean, seriously, what is all that stuff? I've really only used two of the three pedals (I'll let you guess which two), the shifter and the steering wheel. The rest of that stuff is just a waste of space. What the heck is OnStar? I thought Luke blew that up at the end of Ep. 4. I mean - if I wanted to make phone calls on the road I would be driving a phone booth.

On to performance problems:

1. They gave me the wrong motor.

When I ordered the 1LT several "friends" intimated that I was a wuss for not getting the V8. The V6 is a "woman's car". (I'm sure they meant no offense...) I think the Oshawans seriously screwed up and gave me the V8 because this thing is way too fast for a V6. It practically LEAPS when I step on the gas.

2. There's no indication of excessive speed.

I'm used to a car shaking like a gypsy wagon (pots and pans clanging, dead chickens swinging) when I approach 70 mph but this thing is way too smooth. I'm just casually driving, happen to look down and, to my understandable HORROR, I'm doing 85! Smooth as air hockey. That CAN'T be good.

Finally - general overall problems:

1. The Odometer must be WAY off.

There's no way I've put that many miles on it already. Just because I drive 45 miles round trip over twisty-turny country roads to get a hamburger, it shouldn't add up THAT fast. 110 miles round trip for a Chipotle burrito shouldn't be excessive. And don't even get me going about a T-Bone steak!

2. I'm unable to keep up with my TV watching.

I don't know what I'm going to do when 24 starts up again.

3. I hate letting it out of my site.

I find myself parking 6 miles away from store entrances (after letting the wife out at the door - I'm not a caveman...) because I'm deathly afraid some crazy, loony, Charlie Manson looking nut-job will give me a door ding. I'm seriously angry if a butterfly farts on my car. I don't think my heart can take the stress.

4. People keep LOOKING at me.

I feel like I'm in a July 4th parade! I really can't stand all the attention. My smile muscles hurt and my right thumb is going to be in a cast at this rate. Who needs that?

So, as you can see, I have no choice but to return the Camaro since I can't imagine any of these problems ever being resolved.

Oh wait - CRAP! I just remembered... I sold my 60 day return policy back to the dealer for $500. Well, I guess I'll just have to live with it. Maybe it will grow on me.

SWHCPA · 10-19-2009, 09:22 AM

Take a deep breath and a long sip on a glass of Crown. These feelings will pass.

I was driving home from church yesterday with the spousal unit in the car. Another car pulled along side, rolled down their window and started snapping photos of Snow White. The spouse was like "they took pictures of your car!". Apparently, she didn't believe the buzz about this car until yesterday.

2010 2-Tone · 10-19-2009, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beemer

I just have way too many problems with this car. Let's start with the exterior:

1. The styling is too aggressive.

I'm a pretty passive person by nature and I don't want the personality of this car to project onto me. The front looks like a snarling animal ready to pounce. Scary.

2. The paint is too shiny.

I spent last Saturday applying ZAINO to the car and I must have done it wrong because I can't even tell what color it is anymore (Victory Red, BTW). All I can see is shine and reflection.

3. It's too sexy.

What with the curves and hips that the body features I'm starting to have feelings about this car that no Christian man should have. I haven't looked it up but I'm pretty sure it's a sin.

Now about the interior:

1. The seat fits too well.

I think Oshawans must have busted into my house while I was sleeping and measured my butt because the driver's seat feels like it was made for my body. Creepy.

2. The audio system is too loud.

I can't even have a decent conversation with my wife because the audio system is always blaring Classic Rock and we're singing at the top of our lungs. That can't be good for marital relations.

3. There's too many dials, switches, knobs, displays, read-outs, etc.

I mean, seriously, what is all that stuff? I've really only used two of the three pedals (I'll let you guess which two), the shifter and the steering wheel. The rest of that stuff is just a waste of space. What the heck is OnStar? I thought Luke blew that up at the end of Ep. 4. I mean - if I wanted to make phone calls on the road I would be driving a phone booth.

On to performance problems:

1. They gave me the wrong motor.

When I ordered the 1LT several "friends" intimated that I was a wuss for not getting the V8. The V6 is a "woman's car". (I'm sure they meant no offense...) I think the Oshawans seriously screwed up and gave me the V8 because this thing is way too fast for a V6. It practically LEAPS when I step on the gas.

2. There's no indication of excessive speed.

I'm used to a car shaking like a gypsy wagon (pots and pans clanging, dead chickens swinging) when I approach 70 mph but this thing is way too smooth. I'm just casually driving, happen to look down and, to my understandable HORROR, I'm doing 85! Smooth as air hockey. That CAN'T be good.

Finally - general overall problems:

1. The Odometer must be WAY off.

There's no way I've put that many miles on it already. Just because I drive 45 miles round trip over twisty-turny country roads to get a hamburger, it shouldn't add up THAT fast. 110 miles round trip for a Chipotle burrito shouldn't be excessive. And don't even get me going about a T-Bone steak!

2. I'm unable to keep up with my TV watching.

I don't know what I'm going to do when 24 starts up again.

3. I hate letting it out of my site.

I find myself parking 6 miles away from store entrances (after letting the wife out at the door - I'm not a caveman...) because I'm deathly afraid some crazy, loony, Charlie Manson looking nut-job will give me a door ding. I'm seriously angry if a butterfly farts on my car. I don't think my heart can take the stress.

4. People keep LOOKING at me.

I feel like I'm in a July 4th parade! I really can't stand all the attention. My smile muscles hurt and my right thumb is going to be in a cast at this rate. Who needs that?

So, as you can see, I have no choice but to return the Camaro since I can't imagine any of these problems ever being resolved.

Oh wait - CRAP! I just remembered... I sold my 60 day return policy back to the dealer for $500. Well, I guess I'll just have to live with it. Maybe it will grow on me.

One of the Best post since I came onboard!!!!

AnnaBear@SpartaChevy · 10-19-2009, 09:24 AM

Cute.

Abygale · 10-19-2009, 09:26 AM

Very cute Beemer

Xanthos · 10-19-2009, 09:27 AM

I'll buy it off your hands cheap if you want.

Just saying.

- X

monkeywrenching · 10-19-2009, 09:29 AM

feel the same way

gt2serious · 10-19-2009, 09:29 AM

Whew!! I'm glad you're one of those...you know the folks who took the money instaed of the guarantee

...I mean what in the world would I do with all of those terrible Camaro's back on my lot!!

Scrapppy666 · 10-19-2009, 09:30 AM

spousal unit...

Will have to add that to my vocabulary

Supermans · 10-19-2009, 09:30 AM

Return the sucka..lol..

*Mr. Wyndham* · 10-19-2009, 09:32 AM

THAT'S what I like to hear!!!

2SSRS · 10-19-2009, 09:34 AM

I think you are right, But for a lot of us the 60 days was up a long time ago.

jbsrace1 · 10-19-2009, 09:35 AM

LMAO

kjd15 · 10-19-2009, 09:38 AM

You got me!

Love it!

iluvmy67camaro · 10-19-2009, 09:39 AM

That was a great, very entertaining to read!

2010 2-Tone · 10-19-2009, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abygale

Very cute Beemer

Abygale,
I love the outfit!!!

bossbunny · 10-19-2009, 09:41 AM

Wow that sounds ilke such bad qualities to have in a car... I'll take it off your hands, consider it a favor.

SQUALO · 10-19-2009, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beemer

I just have way too many problems with this car. Let's start with the exterior:

1. The styling is too aggressive.

I'm a pretty passive person by nature and I don't want the personality of this car to project onto me. The front looks like a snarling animal ready to pounce. Scary.

2. The paint is too shiny.

I spent last Saturday applying ZAINO to the car and I must have done it wrong because I can't even tell what color it is anymore (Victory Red, BTW). All I can see is shine and reflection.

3. It's too sexy.

What with the curves and hips that the body features I'm starting to have feelings about this car that no Christian man should have. I haven't looked it up but I'm pretty sure it's a sin.

Now about the interior:

1. The seat fits too well.

I think Oshawans must have busted into my house while I was sleeping and measured my butt because the driver's seat feels like it was made for my body. Creepy.

2. The audio system is too loud.

I can't even have a decent conversation with my wife because the audio system is always blaring Classic Rock and we're singing at the top of our lungs. That can't be good for marital relations.

3. There's too many dials, switches, knobs, displays, read-outs, etc.

I mean, seriously, what is all that stuff? I've really only used two of the three pedals (I'll let you guess which two), the shifter and the steering wheel. The rest of that stuff is just a waste of space. What the heck is OnStar? I thought Luke blew that up at the end of Ep. 4. I mean - if I wanted to make phone calls on the road I would be driving a phone booth.

On to performance problems:

1. They gave me the wrong motor.

When I ordered the 1LT several "friends" intimated that I was a wuss for not getting the V8. The V6 is a "woman's car". (I'm sure they meant no offense...) I think the Oshawans seriously screwed up and gave me the V8 because this thing is way too fast for a V6. It practically LEAPS when I step on the gas.

2. There's no indication of excessive speed.

I'm used to a car shaking like a gypsy wagon (pots and pans clanging, dead chickens swinging) when I approach 70 mph but this thing is way too smooth. I'm just casually driving, happen to look down and, to my understandable HORROR, I'm doing 85! Smooth as air hockey. That CAN'T be good.

Finally - general overall problems:

1. The Odometer must be WAY off.

There's no way I've put that many miles on it already. Just because I drive 45 miles round trip over twisty-turny country roads to get a hamburger, it shouldn't add up THAT fast. 110 miles round trip for a Chipotle burrito shouldn't be excessive. And don't even get me going about a T-Bone steak!

2. I'm unable to keep up with my TV watching.

I don't know what I'm going to do when 24 starts up again.

3. I hate letting it out of my site.

I find myself parking 6 miles away from store entrances (after letting the wife out at the door - I'm not a caveman...) because I'm deathly afraid some crazy, loony, Charlie Manson looking nut-job will give me a door ding. I'm seriously angry if a butterfly farts on my car. I don't think my heart can take the stress.

4. People keep LOOKING at me.

I feel like I'm in a July 4th parade! I really can't stand all the attention. My smile muscles hurt and my right thumb is going to be in a cast at this rate. Who needs that?

So, as you can see, I have no choice but to return the Camaro since I can't imagine any of these problems ever being resolved.

Oh wait - CRAP! I just remembered... I sold my 60 day return policy back to the dealer for $500. Well, I guess I'll just have to live with it. Maybe it will grow on me.

Blackhawk6 · 10-19-2009, 09:43 AM

Awesome posting....

NoUCantDriveIt · 10-19-2009, 09:44 AM

good write

Crowley · 10-19-2009, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoUCantDriveIt

good write

Camaro509 · 10-19-2009, 09:48 AM

Awesome

We should start a support group.
NACOAA - North American Camaro Owner's Anonymous Association, to work through these problems in a constructive manner.

BB - I see you're down to $6,500.00 now, won't be long

BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet · 10-19-2009, 09:51 AM

Made my day. Exactly how I feel on a nice day like today when I drive my car. Great read. Well done.

Gunmetal · 10-19-2009, 09:54 AM

Seriously???

warcopwife · 10-19-2009, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beemer

I just have way too many problems with this car. Let's start with the exterior:

1. The styling is too aggressive.

I'm a pretty passive person by nature and I don't want the personality of this car to project onto me. The front looks like a snarling animal ready to pounce. Scary.

2. The paint is too shiny.

I spent last Saturday applying ZAINO to the car and I must have done it wrong because I can't even tell what color it is anymore (Victory Red, BTW). All I can see is shine and reflection.

3. It's too sexy.

What with the curves and hips that the body features I'm starting to have feelings about this car that no Christian man should have. I haven't looked it up but I'm pretty sure it's a sin.

Now about the interior:

1. The seat fits too well.

I think Oshawans must have busted into my house while I was sleeping and measured my butt because the driver's seat feels like it was made for my body. Creepy.

2. The audio system is too loud.

I can't even have a decent conversation with my wife because the audio system is always blaring Classic Rock and we're singing at the top of our lungs. That can't be good for marital relations.

3. There's too many dials, switches, knobs, displays, read-outs, etc.

I mean, seriously, what is all that stuff? I've really only used two of the three pedals (I'll let you guess which two), the shifter and the steering wheel. The rest of that stuff is just a waste of space. What the heck is OnStar? I thought Luke blew that up at the end of Ep. 4. I mean - if I wanted to make phone calls on the road I would be driving a phone booth.

On to performance problems:

1. They gave me the wrong motor.

When I ordered the 1LT several "friends" intimated that I was a wuss for not getting the V8. The V6 is a "woman's car". (I'm sure they meant no offense...) I think the Oshawans seriously screwed up and gave me the V8 because this thing is way too fast for a V6. It practically LEAPS when I step on the gas.

2. There's no indication of excessive speed.

I'm used to a car shaking like a gypsy wagon (pots and pans clanging, dead chickens swinging) when I approach 70 mph but this thing is way too smooth. I'm just casually driving, happen to look down and, to my understandable HORROR, I'm doing 85! Smooth as air hockey. That CAN'T be good.

Finally - general overall problems:

1. The Odometer must be WAY off.

There's no way I've put that many miles on it already. Just because I drive 45 miles round trip over twisty-turny country roads to get a hamburger, it shouldn't add up THAT fast. 110 miles round trip for a Chipotle burrito shouldn't be excessive. And don't even get me going about a T-Bone steak!

2. I'm unable to keep up with my TV watching.

I don't know what I'm going to do when 24 starts up again.

3. I hate letting it out of my site.

I find myself parking 6 miles away from store entrances (after letting the wife out at the door - I'm not a caveman...) because I'm deathly afraid some crazy, loony, Charlie Manson looking nut-job will give me a door ding. I'm seriously angry if a butterfly farts on my car. I don't think my heart can take the stress.

4. People keep LOOKING at me.

I feel like I'm in a July 4th parade! I really can't stand all the attention. My smile muscles hurt and my right thumb is going to be in a cast at this rate. Who needs that?

So, as you can see, I have no choice but to return the Camaro since I can't imagine any of these problems ever being resolved.

Oh wait - CRAP! I just remembered... I sold my 60 day return policy back to the dealer for $500. Well, I guess I'll just have to live with it. Maybe it will grow on me.

That is the funniest thing I have read in a very, very, very long time! A classic! Thanks for the morning giggles!

10-19-2009, 09:17 AM	#1
Beemer "Red Rocket" Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Morgan Mill, Texas Posts: 329	Thinking about returning my Camaro I just have way too many problems with this car. Let's start with the exterior: 1. The styling is too aggressive. I'm a pretty passive person by nature and I don't want the personality of this car to project onto me. The front looks like a snarling animal ready to pounce. Scary. 2. The paint is too shiny. I spent last Saturday applying ZAINO to the car and I must have done it wrong because I can't even tell what color it is anymore (Victory Red, BTW). All I can see is shine and reflection. 3. It's too sexy. What with the curves and hips that the body features I'm starting to have feelings about this car that no Christian man should have. I haven't looked it up but I'm pretty sure it's a sin. Now about the interior: 1. The seat fits too well. I think Oshawans must have busted into my house while I was sleeping and measured my butt because the driver's seat feels like it was made for my body. Creepy. 2. The audio system is too loud. I can't even have a decent conversation with my wife because the audio system is always blaring Classic Rock and we're singing at the top of our lungs. That can't be good for marital relations. 3. There's too many dials, switches, knobs, displays, read-outs, etc. I mean, seriously, what is all that stuff? I've really only used two of the three pedals (I'll let you guess which two), the shifter and the steering wheel. The rest of that stuff is just a waste of space. What the heck is OnStar? I thought Luke blew that up at the end of Ep. 4. I mean - if I wanted to make phone calls on the road I would be driving a phone booth. On to performance problems: 1. They gave me the wrong motor. When I ordered the 1LT several "friends" intimated that I was a wuss for not getting the V8. The V6 is a "woman's car". (I'm sure they meant no offense...) I think the Oshawans seriously screwed up and gave me the V8 because this thing is way too fast for a V6. It practically LEAPS when I step on the gas. 2. There's no indication of excessive speed. I'm used to a car shaking like a gypsy wagon (pots and pans clanging, dead chickens swinging) when I approach 70 mph but this thing is way too smooth. I'm just casually driving, happen to look down and, to my understandable HORROR, I'm doing 85! Smooth as air hockey. That CAN'T be good. Finally - general overall problems: 1. The Odometer must be WAY off. There's no way I've put that many miles on it already. Just because I drive 45 miles round trip over twisty-turny country roads to get a hamburger, it shouldn't add up THAT fast. 110 miles round trip for a Chipotle burrito shouldn't be excessive. And don't even get me going about a T-Bone steak! 2. I'm unable to keep up with my TV watching. I don't know what I'm going to do when 24 starts up again. 3. I hate letting it out of my site. I find myself parking 6 miles away from store entrances (after letting the wife out at the door - I'm not a caveman...) because I'm deathly afraid some crazy, loony, Charlie Manson looking nut-job will give me a door ding. I'm seriously angry if a butterfly farts on my car. I don't think my heart can take the stress. 4. People keep LOOKING at me. I feel like I'm in a July 4th parade! I really can't stand all the attention. My smile muscles hurt and my right thumb is going to be in a cast at this rate. Who needs that? So, as you can see, I have no choice but to return the Camaro since I can't imagine any of these problems ever being resolved. Oh wait - CRAP! I just remembered... I sold my 60 day return policy back to the dealer for $500. Well, I guess I'll just have to live with it. Maybe it will grow on me. __________________

10-19-2009, 09:22 AM	#2
SWHCPA Snow White can be naughty Drives: '10 Camaro/'67 Mustang Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Dallas Posts: 724	Take a deep breath and a long sip on a glass of Crown. These feelings will pass. I was driving home from church yesterday with the spousal unit in the car. Another car pulled along side, rolled down their window and started snapping photos of Snow White. The spouse was like "they took pictures of your car!". Apparently, she didn't believe the buzz about this car until yesterday. __________________

10-19-2009, 09:27 AM	#6
Xanthos Almost-Original Postwhore Drives: Stick Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 12,664 View My Garage	I'll buy it off your hands cheap if you want. Just saying. - X __________________ 1993 Z28 - LT1/M6 Current and Future Modifications

10-19-2009, 09:29 AM	#8
gt2serious Dan Hall / SS-IN-TX Drives: SW/2SS/RS/11-11-09 It's all mine!! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 285 View My Garage	Whew!! I'm glad you're one of those...you know the folks who took the money instaed of the guarantee...I mean what in the world would I do with all of those terrible Camaro's back on my lot!! __________________ Going fast is only a state of mind....until you release the brake!

10-19-2009, 09:30 AM	#9
Scrapppy666 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS M6 Black/Black Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,270 View My Garage	spousal unit... Will have to add that to my vocabulary __________________ Pittsburgh Automotive Photography Black on Black 2SS/RS w/ white stripes Dynomax 3" Bullet Catback, CAI Cold Air Intake

10-19-2009, 09:24 AM	#4
AnnaBear@SpartaChevy Drives: 2011 Camaro 1SS Manual Synergy Grn Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sparta Chevrolet, Sparta, MI Posts: 2,105	Cute.

10-19-2009, 09:26 AM	#5
Abygale Drives: . Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: . Posts: 2,764 View My Garage	Very cute Beemer

10-19-2009, 09:29 AM	#7
monkeywrenching Drives: 1LT/RS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 65	feel the same way

10-19-2009, 09:30 AM	#10
Supermans Camaro & Stang Enthusiast Drives: 2011 Mustang 5.0 in Kona Blue Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 4,759 View My Garage	Return the sucka..lol.. __________________ Bought my Camaro from Eric Hall(817) 421-7266

10-19-2009, 09:32 AM	#11
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2012 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 25,253 View My Garage	THAT'S what I like to hear!!! __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - - *Read Before You Post.*

10-19-2009, 09:34 AM	#12
2SSRS On a list for a 2014 Z28 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 10,112 View My Garage	I think you are right, But for a lot of us the 60 days was up a long time ago. __________________ My Build Thread E-mail Amigoop3@yahoo.com

10-19-2009, 09:35 AM	#13
jbsrace1 Drives: 2010 2ss Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 217	LMAO

10-19-2009, 09:38 AM	#14
kjd15 Finally!! Drives: '10 2LT Summit white, '68 Camaro Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Westchester, NY Posts: 1,067	You got me! Love it! __________________ -Karen SW 2LT Ordered 9/30/09 November 28, 2009 - Delivered!!!

10-19-2009, 09:39 AM	#15
iluvmy67camaro Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Red Jewel Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, GA Posts: 486	That was a great, very entertaining to read!

10-19-2009, 09:41 AM	#17
bossbunny Mrs. Bunny to you Drives: The Sassiest V6 in the South! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cut 'N Shoot Texas Posts: 24,435	Wow that sounds ilke such bad qualities to have in a car... I'll take it off your hands, consider it a favor.

10-19-2009, 09:43 AM	#19
Blackhawk6 Drives: Born:18 Sept 2009 #47903 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Gloucester Virginia Posts: 1,501 View My Garage	Awesome posting....

10-19-2009, 09:44 AM	#20
NoUCantDriveIt Drives: 2SS RS M6 CGM/Black Rally Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Austin TX Posts: 5,160	good write

10-19-2009, 09:48 AM	#22
Camaro509 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Black Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,087	Awesome We should start a support group. NACOAA - North American Camaro Owner's Anonymous Association, to work through these problems in a constructive manner. BB - I see you're down to $6,500.00 now, won't be long __________________ Understeer, Oversteer, Wheel Alignment (Camber etc), Torque, Horsepower, Camaro Fold for team 11108 to help find a cure! Folding@home Stanford's Research DC Program.

10-19-2009, 09:51 AM	#23
BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet Drives: '10 2SS/RS SW 6spd, Pace Car, & ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Woodhaven, Mich Posts: 21,119	Made my day. Exactly how I feel on a nice day like today when I drive my car. Great read. Well done. __________________ Don't forget, I honor ALL DISCOUNTS THAT APPLY! *BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet* Woodhaven, Mi ..only 20 min from Detroit Metro Airport! 734-479-7117 ... BeckyD@RodgersChevrolet.com Available Camaro Inventory///Body Color XM Antenna My Summit White SS///My Pace Car

10-19-2009, 09:54 AM	#24
Gunmetal Drives: Cyber Grey 1SS/RS w/Body Kit Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Swansea, Illinois Posts: 389	Seriously???

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