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Old 10-19-2009, 03:27 PM   #1
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Went to pay for the car today and a major discovery made me back out. What now?

I was tossing between black and orange. I have a black one on order with another dealer for backup but I really want orange.

Now most dealers in my area are over the top with markup and I dont like it. 3-10k over sticker.

The dealer I ordered the black car is a 3k markup over MSRP

Ok there is a small Chevy dealer near my house and I didnt even think they had a Camaro until last week I saw it in the window.

The manager told me he will sell it at MSRP of $36,000. Well I went there today to buy it but I brought my body shop friend along to show him the car.

Well surprise is the entire drivers side of the car was repainted, fender, door, quarter, door pillar and rear bumper.

It looks good but there is lots of clearcoat overspray in the door jambs and creases. Its rough near the edge of the back window and it just pissed me off. its not factory fresh.

Well the Manager then told me it was damaged and painted and he would take another $500 off. I said NO DEAL. I mean everyone knows that once a car is repainted it will affect resale value and Orange isnt an easy color to blend and match.

If this guy would sell me the car for under 30k i would buy it but I am not paying MSRP for a car that had all this work done.

I am so pissed today because I wanted the car this week so I can drive it before snowfall.

Now I think its not going to happen til after the winter and maybe by then I can get a decent deal below MSRP with none of this price gouging markup BS which in my opinion should be illegal especially on a car made in this high volume.

I still dont get it as to where all these Camaros are because its being made in decent numbers.

Now the search goes on. Ebay has a ton but all of them are marked up in the 40k+ range so screw them even for ones USED.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:31 PM   #2
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I was tossing between black and orange. I have a black one on order with another dealer for backup but I really want orange.

Now most dealers in my area are over the top with markup and I dont like it. 3-10k over sticker.

The dealer I ordered the black car is a 3k markup over MSRP

Ok there is a small Chevy dealer near my house and I didnt even think they had a Camaro until last week I saw it in the window.

The manager told me he will sell it at MSRP of $36,000. Well I went there today to buy it but I brought my body shop friend along to show him the car.

Well surprise is the entire drivers side of the car was repainted, fender, door, quarter, door pillar and rear bumper.

It looks good but there is lots of clearcoat overspray in the door jambs and creases. Its rough near the edge of the back window and it just pissed me off. its not factory fresh.

Well the Manager then told me it was damaged and painted and he would take another $500 off. I said NO DEAL. I mean everyone knows that once a car is repainted it will affect resale value and Orange isnt an easy color to blend and match.

If this guy would sell me the car for under 30k i would buy it but I am not paying MSRP for a car that had all this work done.

I am so pissed today because I wanted the car this week so I can drive it before snowfall.

Now I think its not going to happen til after the winter and maybe by then I can get a decent deal below MSRP with none of this price gouging markup BS which in my opinion should be illegal especially on a car made in this high volume.

I still dont get it as to where all these Camaros are because its being made in decent numbers.

Now the search goes on. Ebay has a ton but all of them are marked up in the 40k+ range so screw them even for ones USED.
How far from central Pa are you? Their are many dealers selling at or below msrp. Lake in mifflin county just got an orange 2ss in.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:39 PM   #3
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Can't believe dealerships are still having markups that high. Ones I have visited back in the summer have taken off their markups and are selling at MSRP or $500 below now. Yeah I don't blame you for stepping out. I would too. I wouldnt want anybodys error neither.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:45 PM   #4
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I'd either plan on travelling to a sane dealer that will sell at less than MSRP or I'd hold out past winter...you never know what surprises the General might unleash during your wait. I know it's hard to wait, but you did the right thing by walking away from the wreck.
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:02 PM   #5
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Want to take a road trip? Well, fly in and drive home? My dealer has 7 on the lot including (2) inferno orange and (2) blacks. One of the oranges is a car the owner has been driving as a demo- maybe a good deal can be had? Several Camaro5 members have bought from him... $500 over invoice as a C5 member...

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Old 10-19-2009, 04:06 PM   #6
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I'd either plan on travelling to a sane dealer that will sell at less than MSRP or I'd hold out past winter...you never know what surprises the General might unleash during your wait. I know it's hard to wait, but you did the right thing by walking away from the wreck.
I think Its a good choice to wait. When mine didn't work out that's what I did. I do have my wife's 2lt to drive though. That helps a little. Although It's getting ready to hibernate for the winter.
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:10 PM   #7
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55, there are plenty of cars available AT MARP. there are a couple of salesman on our site, like scotty. considering you are welling to pay extra, how about a MSRP IOM SS/RS? you can go to the TEXAS forum, I have a thread there, my dealer has one, and a RJT SS/RS BOTH are at MSRP....fly in, drive it home. Give Tommy a call and he can have it all set up. all teh info is there in teh first post....encluding their address, website, everything. IF you want one, its only a plane ride one way adn drive it home.
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:20 PM   #8
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I was tossing between black and orange. I have a black one on order with another dealer for backup but I really want orange.

Now most dealers in my area are over the top with markup and I dont like it. 3-10k over sticker.

The dealer I ordered the black car is a 3k markup over MSRP

Ok there is a small Chevy dealer near my house and I didnt even think they had a Camaro until last week I saw it in the window.

The manager told me he will sell it at MSRP of $36,000. Well I went there today to buy it but I brought my body shop friend along to show him the car.

Well surprise is the entire drivers side of the car was repainted, fender, door, quarter, door pillar and rear bumper.

It looks good but there is lots of clearcoat overspray in the door jambs and creases. Its rough near the edge of the back window and it just pissed me off. its not factory fresh.

Well the Manager then told me it was damaged and painted and he would take another $500 off. I said NO DEAL. I mean everyone knows that once a car is repainted it will affect resale value and Orange isnt an easy color to blend and match.

If this guy would sell me the car for under 30k i would buy it but I am not paying MSRP for a car that had all this work done.

I am so pissed today because I wanted the car this week so I can drive it before snowfall.

Now I think its not going to happen til after the winter and maybe by then I can get a decent deal below MSRP with none of this price gouging markup BS which in my opinion should be illegal especially on a car made in this high volume.

I still dont get it as to where all these Camaros are because its being made in decent numbers.

Now the search goes on. Ebay has a ton but all of them are marked up in the 40k+ range so screw them even for ones USED.
what dealer was it .im in westchester also
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:34 PM   #9
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Coolman and anyone else PM your dealers info. I dont need to drive I can easily have the car transported to me for under a grand.

I would truly love to pay under MSRP. I am ready to buy ASAP so I hope some sales guys see this and contact me.

I want Inferno Orange, Black leather 6 speed No SUNROOF.
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:36 PM   #10
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That's BS. You'd think if we have to report more than $5k in damage, the dealer should have to also. Crooked.
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That's BS. You'd think if we have to report more than $5k in damage, the dealer should have to also. Crooked.
Doesn't sound like a lot of damage. Sounds more like they repainted the whole side of the car for color match. Could be wrong?
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:44 PM   #12
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That's BS. You'd think if we have to report more than $5k in damage, the dealer should have to also. Crooked.
Well i sell here in Michigan. And anything over $700 in damage has to be signed for by the customer.

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Old 10-19-2009, 04:45 PM   #13
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I agree that avoiding the car with a bad repaint is prudent.

But to expect him to come down 6K is a bit extreme. You could probably (and I'm just guessing) have to whole car resprayed by your favorite body shop for less.

They will likely find a buyer that either a) won't know the difference and or b) won't have anyone with them that notices the difference. So I doubt they would move that much. But I'd work him a little more and see how far they go.

Also, "Damaged and repainted" means what? Paint damage? Scratched up? or dents and more major damage you can't see? Did it require body work or just paint?
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It was probably damaged in transit, this happens more often than you think. Alot of folks wouldn't catch it. I agree if the price is low enough you can straighten it out, but since they are selling so good I would not expect it.
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Old 10-19-2009, 04:51 PM   #15
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Coolman and anyone else PM your dealers info. I dont need to drive I can easily have the car transported to me for under a grand.

I would truly love to pay under MSRP. I am ready to buy ASAP so I hope some sales guys see this and contact me.

I want Inferno Orange, Black leather 6 speed No SUNROOF.
I'll call the dealer now for you. He's a friend of mine. I know It doesn't have the rs package that's why I didn't take it. It also has black stripes. Does this matter?
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It's sad that the OP thinks a car that has the side refinished is worth $6,000 less just because. Does that mean if you had a brand new Camaro and the side got scratched and had to be repainted, you would laugh at someone offering $6000 less than what you paid for a USED car?

If you can't live with the paint, you pass on the car. BTW, the dealer (by law) has to disclose that amount of damage to any purchaser.

If you're not comfy just wait til the other car comes in.
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Dont know on the damage but I am walking. I got screwed back in 2003 on a Jaguar XKR that was painted and the paint was peeling 1 week after delivery. I ended in a major lawsuit victory and won but it was a terrible thing to go through. They tried repainting the complete car and it was in the shop for 4 months and looked like crap, they ruined the interior and trim etc. I will never setrtle for this EVER again.

The paint on this Camaro had some wavyness down the side and I restore vintage cars for a hobby and that is a sign of bad bodywork and bad block sanding and spraying. paint had lots of fisheye and lots of flaws on every edge, door jamb was dull it had no gloss. It just isnt what i want in a new car.
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It's sad that the OP thinks a car that has the side refinished is worth $6,000 less just because. Does that mean if you had a brand new Camaro and the side got scratched and had to be repainted, you would laugh at someone offering $6000 less than what you paid for a USED car?

If you can't live with the paint, you pass on the car. BTW, the dealer (by law) has to disclose that amount of damage to any purchaser.

If you're not comfy just wait til the other car comes in.
What I think is sad is that they couldn't fix it good enough for him not to tell it was repainted.
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Coolman and anyone else PM your dealers info. I dont need to drive I can easily have the car transported to me for under a grand.

I would truly love to pay under MSRP. I am ready to buy ASAP so I hope some sales guys see this and contact me.

I want Inferno Orange, Black leather 6 speed No SUNROOF.
what dealer did you go to .i know a couple of owners let me know if you want if not good luck
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Look around IOM is out there and you should find it on a lot somewhere. Trailer fees would be the only difference. I wish you the best.
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Don't pay over sticker. Deal with a dealer who will sell it to you for no more than invoice.
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At this point in time no one should pay above MSRP. No way. Nine days ago I ordered a 1LT/RS at about $1000 below MSRP. Damaged and repainted -$500? I don't think so. Just my opinion.
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I hate mark up.... I could more than likely find one out on a lot, and get it to you.... take off the credit union discount, get supplier pricing, - $500 to waive the warranty....shipping MAYBE $750, and you STILL got it for way less than sticker!
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Well I spent 2 hours searching thanks to your leads and I found a few choices.

Black/Black just the way i want it with no sunroof ( second color choice)
Orange/Black except it has sunroof
two websites show the orange car exactly like i want it but i dont think its physically in stock yet(1st color choice)
orange with two tone interior with no sunroof. Interior may be a bit much


if the sunroof wasnt the big deal my car is out there. I need the extra head room plus it looks cooler without the sliding roof.

This deal is going to happen Tuesday its priority when i wake up. I want to be driving Friday night!!!!!!
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