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2SSRS · 10-20-2009, 07:33 PM

This is what i can tell you from calls and PM's that i have had with some of the PPL at and with Vararam, If you try to do a dyno on the same time as was the test this weekend what happens is this car dos not compensate fast, How do i know this? One way is that dynos where done on a car that made 411 rwhp on three pulls and then we put OEM air box on the car and did a pull and the first pull made 396 RWHP and the next PULL made 392 RWHP, So the car came off the dyno and we had a hard time driving it as it did not run right and it was driven for some 30 mi and it was running bad, Not that it was dying but not right so it was almost 150 mi before it ran right and the next day it was back to the Dyno for a new pull and this time it pulled a nice 382 RWHP, Now this is not my car but it was the guy in TX car, This why i say that the test was a wast of time as you need to drive this car for it to find it happy spot, I sent a long time ago a pm to your friend and my friend TAG UR IT with the PM's of this results this was on 9-17-09.

One more thing, the unit i have has a smaller air filter in it so my AFR is at 12.4 at WOT and that is in the tail pipe after the cats, The other unit has a 11.8 that not what is wanted Vararam wants 12.4 to 12.8 to 1 at WOT.

I dont have all the words to or the Engineering lingo for you, all i know is what i have seen, and was told by Vararam and 50 years of common sense, So if you think that any of the units on the list will work for you go and get them, But if you want the best unit hold on for a sort time you will not be wasting your time i promise you that.

And if you got some thing you want an answer to if i now it i will tel you.

GMRULZ · 10-20-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS

This is what i can tell you from calls and PM's that i have had with some of the PPL at and with Vararam, If you try to do a dyno on the same time as was the test this weekend what happens is this car dos not compensate fast, How do i know this? One way is that dynos where done on a car that made 411 rwhp on three pulls and then we put OEM air box on the car and did a pull and the first pull made 396 RWHP and the next PULL made 392 RWHP, So the car came of the dyno and we hade a hard time driving it as it did not run right and it was driven for some 30 mi and it was running bad, Not that it was dying but not right so it was almost 150 mi before it ran right and the next day it was back to the Dyno for a new pull and this time it pulled a nice 382 RWHP, Now this is not my car but it was the guy in TX car, This why i say that the test was a wast of time as you need to drive this car for it to find it happy spot, I sent a long time ago a pm to your friend and my friend TAG UR IT with the PM's this was on 9-17-09.

One more thing thin the unit i have has a smaller air filter in it so my AFM is at 12.4 at WOT and that is in the tail pipe after the cats, The other unit has a 11.8 that not what is wanted Vararam wants 12.4 to 12.8 to 1 at WOT.

I dont have all the words to or the Engineering lingo for you, all i know is what i have seen, and was told by Vararam and 50 years of common sense, So if you think that any of the units on the list will work for you go and get them, But if you want the best unit hold on for a sort time you will not be wasting your time i promise you that.

And if you got some thing you want an answer to if i now it i will tel you.

Please man, you seem like a nice guy, the more you say you are just burying yourself IMO. Let Vararam come on here and explain their theories if you need backup. Honestly man, you are just hurting your case in my opinion the more you defend your theories..

2SSRS · 10-20-2009, 08:47 PM

It not a theories its a fact You dont need to believe me, I see you drag race so you tell me what is best a 9.5 AFr or A 12.5 to one AFr.

This Dyno pull.

Or this one and look at the AFR on the two.

2SSRS · 10-20-2009, 10:20 PM

Why is it that i cant get any one to think for them self, all tuners have a wide band to see what comes out of the tail pipe, that was the thing i had to find out for my test, if the dyno i went to had one, If not i was told its a wast of time as you will not learn a thing on how your car is running, So i called up the dyno shop and asked if he had a wide band, If you do not i will pass on my time at you shop, All tuners have one as it is how you find out what the AFR is on a car. I know my AFR do you.

1320junkie · 10-20-2009, 10:21 PM

I have my own thoughts on the whole test thing but I will keep them to myself.

Windy City · 10-20-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 1320junkie

I have my own thoughts on the whole test thing but I will keep them to myself.

jnewberr2ssrs · 10-20-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Please man, you seem like a nice guy, the more you say you are just burying yourself IMO. Let Vararam come on here and explain their theories if you need backup. Honestly man, you are just hurting your case in my opinion the more you defend your theories..

Let Vararam fight it's own battles....You keep hyping them up to be bigger than the return of Jesus and honestly why is this such a big deal to you? When they come out with their product we'll see how it fairs...I don't doubt that the Vararam will be pretty cool but I don't see why you're trying to argue endlessly when a straight-shooting expert in the field with about 30 years experience is giving his time, effort, and honest opinion on the matter.

Camaro5 is supposed to unite us...Let's rock on out of the pointless arguing guys

Mod4SS · 10-20-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GMRULZ

...the more you say you are just burying yourself IMO. Let Vararam come on here and explain their theories if you need backup. Honestly man, you are just hurting your case in my opinion the more you defend your theories..

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2SSRS · 10-20-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 1320junkie

I have my own thoughts on the whole test thing but I will keep them to myself.

Why let it all out as a driver and a 1320 Junkie.

1320junkie · 10-20-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS

Why let it all out as a driver and a 1320 Junkie.

lol..nope...

2SSRS · 10-20-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jnewberr2ssrs

Let Vararam fight it's own battles....You keep hyping them up to be bigger than the return of Jesus and honestly why is this such a big deal to you? When they come out with their product we'll see how it fairs...I don't doubt that the Vararam will be pretty cool but I don't see why you're trying to argue endlessly when a straight-shooting expert in the field with about 30 years experience is giving his time, effort, and honest opinion on the matter.

Camaro5 is supposed to unite us...Let's rock on out of the pointless arguing guys

Its not pointless as if it helps you find the best unit for the $ and i don't care what unit it is.

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I hope you get what you deserve for your self.

2SSRS · 10-20-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1320junkie

lol..nope...

You know this is better than TV.

Mod4SS · 10-20-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS

Its not pointless as if it helps you find the best unit for the $ and i don't care what unit it is.

Obviously you do... have you read your posts lately?

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS

I hope you get what you deserve for your self

iBK3000 · 10-20-2009, 10:43 PM

lol at this thread.

kelleyperformance · 10-20-2009, 10:48 PM

whats all this compensating talk....? long story short, i dont think you fully understand how the PCM works in this vehicle, so please just calm down about all this man

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Originally Posted by jnewberr2ssrs

Let Vararam fight it's own battles....You keep hyping them up to be bigger than the return of Jesus and honestly why is this such a big deal to you? When they come out with their product we'll see how it fairs...I don't doubt that the Vararam will be pretty cool but I don't see why you're trying to argue endlessly when a straight-shooting expert in the field with about 30 years experience is giving his time, effort, and honest opinion on the matter.

well said!

jnewberr2ssrs · 10-20-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS

Its not pointless as if it helps you find the best unit for the $ and i don't care what unit it is.

So let me get this straight...Are you now arguing that your arguing is not pointless? lol Is there any end to this madness?

Can someone remind me - why does this remind me of Kindergarten?
"No, you're the big fat doodie head"..."Nu uh...You are!"

2SSRS · 10-20-2009, 10:52 PM

You got 66 posts on hear and you don't know me from Jo so you can think what you like and i can do the same, But till i see what i want i will say what i want to and i want to see the tail pipe numbers.

BlaSSt Off · 10-20-2009, 10:53 PM

So if thats the case then the car ran bad with all the intakes. And if that the case then the results would still be the same. I am no expert but I think it was a pretty good test and showed wich intakes had the best gains for that situation. But in all reality, they are all just CAI's and unless you do some major modding then none of it really matters. People are making a huge deal out of all this and 95% of the people that buy a CAI will do it mainly for cosmetic and bragging rights and never even come close to using all of the potential of the product. I say stop trying to convince people wich intake is better and let people decide on thier own.

2SSRS · 10-20-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jnewberr2ssrs

So let me get this straight...Are you now arguing that your arguing is not pointless? lol Is there any end to this madness?

Can someone remind me - why does this remind me of Kindergarten?
"No, you're the big fat doodie head"..."Nu uh...You are!"

why dos it get you so upset that i want to see the AFR of how the car runs with the CAI's I don't think that is to much to see do you.

kelleyperformance · 10-20-2009, 10:55 PM

so now my posts pertain to my knowledge of these motors and cars? i had no idea thats how we rated knowledge and experience around here... i wont post again in here sir, im sorry

SRT10KLLR · 10-20-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS

It not a theories its a fact You dont need to believe me, I see you drag race so you tell me what is best a 9.5 AFM or A 12.5 to one AFM.

This Dyno pull.

Or this one and look at the AFR on the two.

AFM = Active Fuel Management
A/F = ration of Air to Fuel as is 14.7 parts Air to 1 part fuel.

A 9.5 A/F is very rich and is bad as it can wash down the cylinders. But the difference between say 11.8 and 12.4 is not significant in terms of hp gain/lost.

JFYI, stock the Camaro has an A/F that ranges from 10.92 to 11.86 depending on RPM. Most of the gains in a tune come from additional timing not leaning out the A/F.

JANNETTYRACING · 10-20-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SRT10KLLR

A 9.5 A/F is very rich and is bad as it can wash down the cylinders. But the difference between say 11.8 and 12.4 is not significant in terms of hp gain/lost.

JFYI, stock the Camaro has an A/F that ranges from 10.92 to 11.86 depending on RPM. Most of the gains in a tune come from additional timing not leaning out the A/F.

Your right if you had 9.5:1 AFR at light throttle but at WOT it is a moot point and it is more common that most would believe with factory calibrations to protect the cats from melting.

At 12.5 they will melt if held at WOT long enough.

2SSRS · 10-20-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaSSt Off

So if thats the case then the car ran bad with all the intakes. And if that the case then the results would still be the same. I am no expert but I think it was a pretty good test and showed wich intakes had the best gains for that situation. But in all reality, they are all just CAI's and unless you do some major modding then none of it really matters. People are making a huge deal out of all this and 95% of the people that buy a CAI will do it mainly for cosmetic and bragging rights and never even come close to using all of the potential of the product. I say stop trying to convince people wich intake is better and let people decide on thier own.

I am doing this for me like i said buy what you want.
All i want is to see is this for any one of the CAI and the stock car.( got this from a site you know HP tune.)

2SSRS · 10-20-2009, 11:10 PM

And at part throttle the car runs at over 14 to 1 and as sone as you go to wot it dropes and we still do not have a number for all the test units.

SRT10KLLR · 10-20-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Your right if you had 9.5:1 AFR at light throttle but at WOT it is a moot point and it is more common that most would believe with factory calibrations to protect the cats from melting.

At 12.5 they will melt if held at WOT long enough.

That is probably why the stock tune has a "Cat protection mode" and why it comes so rich. But how long is too long at 12.5 at WOT. Couple of 1/4 mile runs, couple minutes etc.? The Camaro and Silverado have no cats but the Hemi and Expedition still do and I have been know to run at WOT for extended(hours) periods of time in Mexico(my Autobahn, lol).

10-20-2009, 07:33 PM	#1
2SSRS On a list for a 2014 Z28 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 10,102 View My Garage	Why i think you cant do a Dyno in the same day This is what i can tell you from calls and PM's that i have had with some of the PPL at and with Vararam, If you try to do a dyno on the same time as was the test this weekend what happens is this car dos not compensate fast, How do i know this? One way is that dynos where done on a car that made 411 rwhp on three pulls and then we put OEM air box on the car and did a pull and the first pull made 396 RWHP and the next PULL made 392 RWHP, So the car came off the dyno and we had a hard time driving it as it did not run right and it was driven for some 30 mi and it was running bad, Not that it was dying but not right so it was almost 150 mi before it ran right and the next day it was back to the Dyno for a new pull and this time it pulled a nice 382 RWHP, Now this is not my car but it was the guy in TX car, This why i say that the test was a wast of time as you need to drive this car for it to find it happy spot, I sent a long time ago a pm to your friend and my friend TAG UR IT with the PM's of this results this was on 9-17-09. One more thing, the unit i have has a smaller air filter in it so my AFR is at 12.4 at WOT and that is in the tail pipe after the cats, The other unit has a 11.8 that not what is wanted Vararam wants 12.4 to 12.8 to 1 at WOT. I dont have all the words to or the Engineering lingo for you, all i know is what i have seen, and was told by Vararam and 50 years of common sense, So if you think that any of the units on the list will work for you go and get them, But if you want the best unit hold on for a sort time you will not be wasting your time i promise you that. And if you got some thing you want an answer to if i now it i will tel you. __________________ My Build Thread E-mail Amigoop3@yahoo.com Last edited by 2SSRS; 10-21-2009 at 09:37 AM. Reason: My bad

10-20-2009, 08:47 PM	#3
2SSRS On a list for a 2014 Z28 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 10,102 View My Garage	It not a theories its a fact You dont need to believe me, I see you drag race so you tell me what is best a 9.5 AFr or A 12.5 to one AFr. This Dyno pull. Or this one and look at the AFR on the two. __________________ My Build Thread E-mail Amigoop3@yahoo.com Last edited by 2SSRS; 10-21-2009 at 09:38 AM.

10-20-2009, 10:20 PM	#4
2SSRS On a list for a 2014 Z28 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 10,102 View My Garage	Why is it that i cant get any one to think for them self, all tuners have a wide band to see what comes out of the tail pipe, that was the thing i had to find out for my test, if the dyno i went to had one, If not i was told its a wast of time as you will not learn a thing on how your car is running, So i called up the dyno shop and asked if he had a wide band, If you do not i will pass on my time at you shop, All tuners have one as it is how you find out what the AFR is on a car. I know my AFR do you. __________________ My Build Thread E-mail Amigoop3@yahoo.com

10-20-2009, 10:43 PM	#14
iBK3000 Drives: '04 Range Rover, Camaro 2SS 6MT Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 213	lol at this thread. __________________ CGM 2SS/RS 6SM . No muff.

10-20-2009, 10:52 PM	#17
2SSRS On a list for a 2014 Z28 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 10,102 View My Garage	You got 66 posts on hear and you don't know me from Jo so you can think what you like and i can do the same, But till i see what i want i will say what i want to and i want to see the tail pipe numbers. __________________ My Build Thread E-mail Amigoop3@yahoo.com

10-20-2009, 10:21 PM	#5
1320junkie Drives: The Imperial Army Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Darkside Posts: 15,898	I have my own thoughts on the whole test thing but I will keep them to myself.

10-20-2009, 10:53 PM	#18
BlaSSt Off Drives: 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 588	So if thats the case then the car ran bad with all the intakes. And if that the case then the results would still be the same. I am no expert but I think it was a pretty good test and showed wich intakes had the best gains for that situation. But in all reality, they are all just CAI's and unless you do some major modding then none of it really matters. People are making a huge deal out of all this and 95% of the people that buy a CAI will do it mainly for cosmetic and bragging rights and never even come close to using all of the potential of the product. I say stop trying to convince people wich intake is better and let people decide on thier own.

10-20-2009, 10:55 PM	#20
kelleyperformance Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 197	so now my posts pertain to my knowledge of these motors and cars? i had no idea thats how we rated knowledge and experience around here... i wont post again in here sir, im sorry __________________

10-20-2009, 11:10 PM	#24
2SSRS On a list for a 2014 Z28 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 10,102 View My Garage	And at part throttle the car runs at over 14 to 1 and as sone as you go to wot it dropes and we still do not have a number for all the test units. __________________ My Build Thread E-mail Amigoop3@yahoo.com

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