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Old 10-21-2009, 02:21 AM   #1
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This is how z28 should be

I think GM will do a big mistake if they supercharged the Z28. From what i see, a lot of people looking for not expensive, tunable and upgradable cars rather than expensive, pushed to the limit cars (no room fr cosmetic upgrades). Also a lot of people favor turbochargers over superchargers. what I think GM should do for the Z28 is the following:
  1. forged engine internals (pistons, crank,...)
  2. stronger tranny and upgraded torque converter.
  3. better gear ratios.
  4. better suspension.
  5. touchup for the exterior.
  6. Thats it!

by this, the Z28 will not be more expensive than the SS but it has the ability to reach or exceed 700 hp safely (either way: turbocharged or supercharged). As for the exterior i don't mined a different style from the SS, I like different trims to be distinguished from the first look.
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:30 AM   #2
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There's no point in the Z28 if it can't best the competition in all aspects of performance though. Your 1LE-like ideas won't do it, there needs to be a big power upgrade. Even an upgraded LS3 won't give it the approximate 120HP more it needs to do it. Also, all those things you suggested will make it more expensive than the SS regardless.
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I think GM will do a big mistake if they supercharged the Z28. From what i see, a lot of people looking for not expensive, tunable and upgradable cars rather than expensive, pushed to the limit cars (no room fr cosmetic upgrades). Also a lot of people favor turbochargers over superchargers. what I think GM should do for the Z28 is the following:
  1. forged engine internals (pistons, crank,...)
  2. stronger tranny and upgraded torque converter.
  3. better gear ratios.
  4. better suspension.
  5. touchup for the exterior.
  6. Thats it!

by this, the Z28 will not be more expensive than the SS but it has the ability to reach or exceed 700 hp safely (either way: turbocharged or supercharged). As for the exterior i don't mined a different style from the SS, I like different trims to be distinguished from the first look.
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There's no point in the Z28 if it can't best the competition in all aspects of performance though. Your 1LE-like ideas won't do it, there needs to be a big power upgrade. Even an upgraded LS3 won't give it the approximate 120HP more it needs to do it. Also, all those things you suggested will make it more expensive than the SS regardless.
IMVHO - The package you suggests sounds really good, but it's going to be more expensive by virtue of GM taking the time and investing in the engineering to do all this stuff. Z28 is going to be more expensive than SS - that's my opinion, but I can't see it any other way. I don't think they're just going to go through the suspension, maybe make minor powertrain adjustments and add a couple body pieces. Of course, that's what happened with the 4th Gen and that's what Corvette Team is doing with the Grand Sport, so maybe I'm off. However, this was before the Cobra transformed from that limp-wristed supposed 320 horse' IRS obomination that was the last generation, to later Terminators, GT500s from a few years ago, and now the 540 horse' GT500 of today. Mustang has lept out in front of Camaro pretty far, in terms of performance and with all the raving about a Track Pack-equipped GT I think Z28 has gotta' compete directly (well, SS with the GT and Z28 with the GT500). It doesn't matter, a whole not , how the Z28 competes with the GT500 - be it with lighter weight and a little more power, or with something like LSA and some suspension tweaks but I think that's where Z28 has gotta' go - right for the 500 and whatever those crazy Dodge boys have in the wings for the SRT8 (?6.4? or something...)

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Old 10-22-2009, 12:47 AM   #4
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But why they don't take their time to develop the ultimate camaro ? didn't GM learn from their previous mistakes when they try to rush things in production ?. in the other hand, My idea simplify is not to jump to the top of performance, I think there will be a big gap in between SS and the supercharged Z28 they will have to fill sooner or later, so the camaro competitors to Mustang should be like this:

SS Vs. GT (Street Fun)
Z28 Vs. GT with Trackpack (Street Fun & Track Fun)
ZL1 Vs GT5000 (Street Pro & Track Pro)

like the corvette which i think they have covered all performances ranges and all of them are popular cars C6 - GS - Z06 - ZR1
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A car higher than the Z28 = Corvette, in price and performance.
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:39 AM   #6
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Z28 was the lighter car. With less torque & HP but handled much better.The SS had the big HP.GM doesnt to go massive HP.What was wrong with the 1969 Z28\302
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:14 AM   #7
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A car higher than the Z28 = Corvette, in price and performance.
for now yes but later they are not, a lot of people talking about very high performance mid engine C7 will be produced in 2-3 years.


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when any body says "a muscle car" you immediately think of a big HP number, and nowadays sedans like maxima/camry/G8 are all around 250-290HP. so a muscle car to outperform sedans they must be at least 150-200 HP more (400-500hp total). so z28 cannot be less than 400hp.
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Old 10-22-2009, 11:06 AM   #8
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for now yes but later they are not, a lot of people talking about very high performance mid engine C7 will be produced in 2-3 years.
The C7 won't be mid-engined. That's been confirmed. They thought about it, and experimented, but decided Front engined was best.


Tri-gun, the only thing I see wrong with your proposal is right at the end, you say it won't be any more expensive than the SS. That's, unfortunately, impossible. Other than that - it's a neat idea!!

I'm glad to see so many people have thoughts on this. It will be interesting to see what direction GM takes. Whatever they do -- it's going to kick ass.....many folks look at the SS and think; "that's the best Camaro out there".....truth is, the SS setup doesn't begin to explore the performance potential of this car.
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The C7 won't be mid-engined. That's been confirmed. They thought about it, and experimented, but decided Front engined was best.


Tri-gun, the only thing I see wrong with your proposal is right at the end, you say it won't be any more expensive than the SS. That's, unfortunately, impossible. Other than that - it's a neat idea!!

I'm glad to see so many people have thoughts on this. It will be interesting to see what direction GM takes. Whatever they do -- it's going to kick ass.....many folks look at the SS and think; "that's the best Camaro out there".....truth is, the SS setup doesn't begin to explore the performance potential of this car.
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:18 PM   #10
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Z28 was the lighter car. With less torque & HP but handled much better.The SS had the big HP.GM doesnt to go massive HP.What was wrong with the 1969 Z28\302
My 69 z28 was nice but did not handle well especially with no power steering. I think the new one needs handling and at least an LSA motor.
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My check book cares........ That would be one freckin expensive Camaro!
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I must agree with the 2nd poster of this thread. GM is not going to release a z-28 that can't go toe to toe right out of the box with the GT500. No way, no how. The car would get punished in all the reviews for being 'inferior' to its (as of now) rival car.

You may like the idea of buying a car that can handle great, and is strong enough (internals wise) to handle whatever engine upgrades you want to throw at it.

But honestly, the majority of people don't want to have to buy a car and then add upgrades just to make it as fast as the car its meant to compete with anyways. Most people want it fast from the get go...and as far as handling, you can bet it will handle better than the SS....it has to and GM knows that.

So whether you like it or not, supercharged or turboed...GM will do what they must to get the magical 500 to 550 or more horses the Z-28 needs from the factory.
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I must agree with the 2nd poster of this thread. GM is not going to release a z-28 that can't go toe to toe right out of the box with the GT500. No way, no how. The car would get punished in all the reviews for being 'inferior' to its (as of now) rival car.

You may like the idea of buying a car that can handle great, and is strong enough (internals wise) to handle whatever engine upgrades you want to throw at it.

But honestly, the majority of people don't want to have to buy a car and then add upgrades just to make it as fast as the car its meant to compete with anyways. Most people want it fast from the get go...and as far as handling, you can bet it will handle better than the SS....it has to and GM knows that.

So whether you like it or not, supercharged or turboed...GM will do what they must to get the magical 500 to 550 or more horses the Z-28 needs from the factory.

I have a question.... Who said the Z/28 is competing against the GT500?
Maybe there is more than one car on its way....
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I must agree with the 2nd poster of this thread. GM is not going to release a z-28 that can't go toe to toe right out of the box with the GT500. No way, no how. The car would get punished in all the reviews for being 'inferior' to its (as of now) rival car.

You may like the idea of buying a car that can handle great, and is strong enough (internals wise) to handle whatever engine upgrades you want to throw at it.

But honestly, the majority of people don't want to have to buy a car and then add upgrades just to make it as fast as the car its meant to compete with anyways. Most people want it fast from the get go...and as far as handling, you can bet it will handle better than the SS....it has to and GM knows that.

So whether you like it or not, supercharged or turboed...GM will do what they must to get the magical 500 to 550 or more horses the Z-28 needs from the factory.


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I have a question.... Who said the Z/28 is competing against the GT500? Maybe there is more than on car on its way....
Good point - no one; but what is the competition then? Mustang GT? SS already does that. The 1LT and 2LT are not competition for the GT (no disrespect ). Let's be fair - SS is not competition for the GT500. Anyone (and I'm not suggesting you ) thinking that it's only like two or three tenths off in the 1320' is not in reality nor have they seen representative runs from a 500.

Having said that, that's how I justify Z28 competing with the GT500. That's just me though

Though I'd love to see another major model (not some simple trim level upgrade or change), I don't really think it would happen. That's not to say that I'm not hoping it will. I just want something that will completely humble a GT500 or SRT8 Challey'
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Good point - no one; but what is the competition then? Mustang GT? SS already does that.
Will the current SS be able to keep up with a new more powerfull Mustang GT? Or will we need something to fill the gap until a newer SS comes out?

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I think GM will do a big mistake if they supercharged the Z28. From what i see, a lot of people looking for not expensive, tunable and upgradable cars rather than expensive, pushed to the limit cars (no room fr cosmetic upgrades). Also a lot of people favor turbochargers over superchargers. what I think GM should do for the Z28 is the following:
  1. forged engine internals (pistons, crank,...)
  2. stronger tranny and upgraded torque converter.
  3. better gear ratios.
  4. better suspension.
  5. touchup for the exterior.
  6. Thats it!

by this, the Z28 will not be more expensive than the SS but it has the ability to reach or exceed 700 hp safely (either way: turbocharged or supercharged). As for the exterior i don't mined a different style from the SS, I like different trims to be distinguished from the first look.
A couple of things:

1 Everything on you list is big bucks. So pay more money but only get better handling and the POTENTIAL to upgrade the HP if you want. Why make the people who won't or don't want to upgrade pay for a heavier, more expensive transmission and upgraded forged internals.

Also, curious as to why you say most prefer turbo over super charging. I'd take a supercharger 9 ways to Sunday. Turbo only matters if you want an engine that gets good fuel economy but when you use your right foot you get HP. I would prefer the low end torque of the supercharger.

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Will the SS be able to keep up with a new more powerfull Mustang GT? Or will we need something to fill the gap until a newer SS comes out?
That is a gooooood question........hmmmmmmm
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I thought so..... Care to discuss?
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I thought so..... Care to discuss?
Maybe over a beer over at Shno's House of Z.
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