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Old 11-23-2014, 02:50 AM   #1
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Z/28 Air Intake Kit

I've looked and couldn't find any other discussions on this, so I'm wondering, does anyone know how the Z/28 air intake compares to aftermarket systems, such as Airaid, CAI, and Roto-fab? I would tend to believe aftermarket is at least a little better, but I like the idea of having the Z/28 kit in my car, just because it comes from the Z, and because it is OEM. Thanks!
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Old 11-23-2014, 04:44 AM   #2
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Here is a discussion from a question I asked. Fairly recent thread. I think I'm going CAI or something aftermarket.

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Here is a discussion from a question I asked. Fairly recent thread. I think I'm going CAI or something aftermarket.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385214
if you have a little bit of patient i'll post something news once i get it from the seller. the kit is on the way
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if you have a little bit of patient i'll post something news once i get it from the seller. the kit is on the way
Sweet, thanks avido. Yeah, I got a Christmas list going and I need to get it done! I'm thinking Airaid or Z/28 CAI. I've had Airaid before and really liked it, but I just love to do OEM when I can if it's worth it.
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Old 12-05-2014, 03:18 PM   #5
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i got the cai...i have o wait a bit of time cause the car is still new,i have less den 700km on it...after a week or two i'll do a little test.i can tell you i noticed a very better response of the throttle. tha car is stock i don't have any tune on it or any other thing.tha sound is amazing. it works with issues,no engine light on. the filter is huge

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Cool! Thanks for posting the picture and follow up after the install.

It looks nice too BTW! Even if it doesn't net the largest HP increase compared to the aftermarket options I'll still probably go this route because it's an OEM kit.
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Same here, I will use this kit.
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Cool! Thanks for posting the picture and follow up after the install.

It looks nice too BTW! Even if it doesn't net the largest HP increase compared to the aftermarket options I'll still probably go this route because it's an OEM kit.
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Thanks avido. You've given me probably the best answer yet. I don't care much if I lose 1 or 2 HP to the aftermarket, although I'm glad you said the filter is huge. To me, the best thing about a good cai is the sound and improvement in throttle response. It does look good in the SS engine bay too!
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Thanks avido. You've given me probably the best answer yet. I don't care much if I lose 1 or 2 HP to the aftermarket, although I'm glad you said the filter is huge. To me, the best thing about a good cai is the sound and improvement in throttle response. It does look good in the SS engine bay too!
it's the same for me...the people freak out about the hp...let's assume the other cai,like cai or rotofab can give 5 hp more . even if they got 5 hp over the z/28 cai it's impossible to feel the difference between the 2 ...on the other hand the fact that the part is from z/28 it's a very cool factor . It's also a good thing that the tuning it's not required...if someone want to keep this warranty with this cai can do,but of course you can get a better optimization caused from a major flow.

after the break in i'll do a test with a stock filter( change the takes about 15 minutes) .. i'll do a test with a diagnostic tool to check that airflow with the chai and stock airbox...give me 2 weeks
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I've read the Z/28 intake voids your warranty.

As such, take it off before you go in for service.
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I've read the Z/28 intake voids your warranty.

As such, take it off before you go in for service.
yes,but i don't know how this intake can void the warranty. if you check the lambda, it's correct...in the specific range. the car che correct with the amount of gas of get a perfect calibration
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yes,but i don't know how this intake can void the warranty. if you check the lambda, it's correct...in the specific range. the car che correct with the amount of gas of get a perfect calibration
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is this the real third secret of Fatima?
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This would be a really good option for owners who live in California.
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I have one on my '14 1LE. Throttle response did improve, car runs great, no issues. The Z/28 CAI looks great also and OEM quality. And really, why the issue about warranty? All the CAIs void it, so why is this an arguement with this one?
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Do these intakes do anything? I know on my '12 civic all of the "cold air intakes" &short ram intakes really don't do shit. Also, the intake on the z/28 how is that really considered a cold air intake when it's taking in air from the engine bay?
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Do these intakes do anything? I know on my '12 civic all of the "cold air intakes" &short ram intakes really don't do shit. Also, the intake on the z/28 how is that really considered a cold air intake when it's taking in air from the engine bay?
The stock filters are very restrictive on these cars. Aftermarket ones really let them breath.

I have a V6 LFX. I upgraded to the GMPP factory exhaust, and there wasn't really much of a noise increase.

But when I put on the CAI Inc. intake... Holy shit, it was easily 3x louder. Butt dyno felt a boost in HP too.
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I have one on my '14 1LE. Throttle response did improve, car runs great, no issues. The Z/28 CAI looks great also and OEM quality. And really, why the issue about warranty? All the CAIs void it, so why is this an arguement with this one?
also it's plastic made . plastic is used for its capability to don't catch much heat instead alluminium or steel that take from engine bay

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Do these intakes do anything? I know on my '12 civic all of the "cold air intakes" &short ram intakes really don't do shit. Also, the intake on the z/28 how is that really considered a cold air intake when it's taking in air from the engine bay?
yes do,why not? you might be in your civic you got an air filter not a real cai. cai has a special air box in which there is a more permeable air filter.we can assume that 1 more degree of air in the intake it's a 1 hp loss.now you got more air from the filter but you got more temperature from the air breathed the things could have been balanced.i'm assuming cause i didn't see your engine bay
in my case,i have a z/28cai. there is a rubber gasket on he top of the air box which seals properly against the hood ( i tried with chalk). also the plastic blades along the wall of the intake are good for cut the turbolence caused by intake depression...there is also a velocity sistem. i don't know if it work i have to do some calculation.....stai tuned i'd like to know the resonance of the intake mainfold..
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I been looking at CAI's and benefit of going to a camaro show was too see all the different models installed. Now I don't want to offend anyone or company, but working in a engine test lab for a career my thing is function and fit and finish. The C.A.I , rotofab, and few others including the K&N have too many gaps not sealing off the air box area around the air filter. An engine compartment creates heat around 350F to as high 450F. Yes a car moving allows outside air to flow in, but it that hood traps that heat as well. The whole Ram Air mod of moving the windshield tank is not very effective if the air trying to compress in a space to shove it into a filter is compromized by all the gaps.

The Z28 CAI and the Air Raid are both blowmold contained units. Yes the ram tube used from the stock box installed on the airRaid doesn't look effiencent. But its on a N/A car, the car is only going to suck in so much air and if the throttle body and the tube are 90 to 100mm the air intake tube is about the same plus its getting air pushed into to it elevating the air pressure inside the air box.

Now the Z28 has a bigger hole, but its aimed forward and sealed off everywhere else like the air raid. I bet the Z28 with the windshield bottle moved will probably be very effiecent.

Plus out of them all who do you think tested there product for 3000 hours of continous dyno testing. Probably 1, which is the Z28. The others testing involved putting it on a car on dyno in a air conditioned shop. Then asked there girlfriends it they thought it was pretty because it had a window to see the air go into the filter. (Because she is blonde and believes seeing the cold air fly into the air filter can happen)

10-15 hp improvement can be weather change, they all will help. The vara-ram is effective the shortest distance between two points, no turns, and just straight into the the motor. Probably why the COPO has it as a factory piece.

The whole warranty thing, I think your safe with the z28 piece. if that dealer ever serviced a Z28 then they know its a OEM part. So if they see a 1LE or SS, most will assume that it came on the car since it has a GM part number and GM filter.

Just if its ever questioned, don't be a weiner. Because GM warranty group likes nice people and nice people get taken care of. Ego know it alls who act all high and mighty get cancelled warranties.

Again just my opinion, no offense
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How did the 1le pcv catch can connect?
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I have one on my '14 1LE. Throttle response did improve, car runs great, no issues. The Z/28 CAI looks great also and OEM quality. And really, why the issue about warranty? All the CAIs void it, so why is this an arguement with this one?
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How did the 1le pcv catch can connect?
The hookups are included in the kit and work great, but.....


I did have to do a bit of hot rodding here, partly because I'm a stickler for (some) mods have to look OE, or atleast look like they have some sort of symmetry with everything else. And yes, it is a GM (aftermarket) mod on a GM (OE) car, so please understand that there is a difference. I am talking about the PCV hookup, I did not like how GM put it all together. They did it the least expensive way, and I like the look of the pre-bent plastic tubing that they use on everything else.

I'm at work right now, I'll snap a pic sometime this evening. That will explain. The Kit includes parts to connect everything, but I did not like the look.
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Yeah I want it to look like it belongs. Thanks I look forward to any pics and ISO.
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One reason I went a different route is the 90* fitting that the Z/28 uses. It just looks better than putting the rubber hose from the kit on the CAI.


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I used Dorman HELP! part # 46002 and Dorman 800-059 from AutoZone.

http://www.autozone.com/fuel-deliver...8_116463_4169/
This one will snap right in to the Z/28 CAI

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I also used a couple of black GM hose clamps at the rubber hose. I cut the plastic tubing coming out of the PVC separator installed the 90* (46002) to it and the 800-059. I used a hair dryer to soften the 800-059 to have a slight radius to meet the Z/28 CAI. Becareful not to rush bending the hard plastic tubing, you can kink it! Nice even heat and a gradual bend.

Looks like it was engineered to the LS3

Also, regarding the MAF on this CAI, GM calibrates MAF sensors to the intake system, not necessarily to the engine. When you bolt on other aftermarket CAI's, your stock MAF will not be calibrated correctly, unless you get a tune and your tuner calibrates it.
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I found the warranty voiding statement from the catalog I mentioned earlier.

"*The use of this engine or component in a new Chevrolet vehicle voids the vehicle powertrain warranty and may result in adversely affecting vehicle performance. In some cases, use of certain Chevrolet Performance components may result in the failure of other components or systems, thus voiding the warranty of the failed component or system. Chevrolet Performance components installed in new vehicles do retain their regular warranty coverage unless otherwise noted.
These engines and components have not been tested or validated by GM Engineering for use in these vehicles. Installation of compo- nents or engines in non-original applications may require fabrication or modifications that affect other vehicle systems. Certain engines may require modifications to the vehicle for fit and operation.
The installation and operation of these components or replacement engines in new vehicles is intended for off-road operation only."

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I found the warranty voiding statement from the catalog I mentioned earlier.

"*The use of this engine or component in a new Chevrolet vehicle voids the vehicle powertrain warranty and may result in adversely affecting vehicle performance. In some cases, use of certain Chevrolet Performance components may result in the failure of other components or systems, thus voiding the warranty of the failed component or system. Chevrolet Performance components installed in new vehicles do retain their regular warranty coverage unless otherwise noted.
These engines and components have not been tested or validated by GM Engineering for use in these vehicles. Installation of compo- nents or engines in non-original applications may require fabrication or modifications that affect other vehicle systems. Certain engines may require modifications to the vehicle for fit and operation.
The installation and operation of these components or replacement engines in new vehicles is intended for off-road operation only."

page #29 on the following link.

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Insert "aftermarket" in place of: "Chevrolet Performance". No different. GM is just doing the legal dance.
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