Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Jason 98 TA
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics

Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics Discussions related to the 5th gen Camaro Z/28 model

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-02-2009, 08:15 PM   #676
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,407
Boy it got quiet around here.......
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 08:20 PM   #677
brandotron
I am the internets.
 
brandotron's Avatar
 
Drives: dangerously
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Posts: 12,719
*Flame suit on*
I wouldn't mind if the Z was a TT 6. Wasn't that the way of the first Z? Smaller motor, lighter car?
__________________
brandotron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 08:29 PM   #678
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by brandotron View Post
*Flame suit on*
I wouldn't mind if the Z was a TT 6. Wasn't that the way of the first Z? Smaller motor, lighter car?

You can skip the flame suit....


Its not gonna help.....








































ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 08:32 PM   #679
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,407
Seriously though..... If thats the route they choose later on, so be it! Nothing I can do about it. I will give it a chance but I dont think it will be something that I will enjoy. You just cant replace that deep growl of a V-8...

We will have to wait and see what they have planned!
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 08:33 PM   #680
Number 3
Hail to the King baby!
 
Number 3's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 ATS 2.0T & '14 Chevrolet SS
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 8,243
Quote:
Originally Posted by brandotron View Post
*Flame suit on*
I wouldn't mind if the Z was a TT 6. Wasn't that the way of the first Z? Smaller motor, lighter car?
Well I was talking to a guy who owns one of the Gen I Z/28s. We had this discussion. The only difference between a Camaro and a Z/28 was you couldn't order certain options which kept the weight from climbing. But as he explained it, there was nothing special about a Z/28 that made it lighter than a base Camaro optioned identically.

So this "light weight" Camaro didn't really exist.

Discussion..................????????
__________________
"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley Link to Every Camaro photo I've taken in Hi-Resolution
Number 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 08:35 PM   #681
cam2fst4u


 
cam2fst4u's Avatar
 
Drives: 08 SS trailblazer,08 Silverado
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: stanley va
Posts: 6,299
Send a message via Yahoo to cam2fst4u
__________________
cam2fst4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 08:38 PM   #682
brandotron
I am the internets.
 
brandotron's Avatar
 
Drives: dangerously
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Posts: 12,719
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 3 View Post
Well I was talking to a guy who owns one of the Gen I Z/28s. We had this discussion. The only difference between a Camaro and a Z/28 was you couldn't order certain options which kept the weight from climbing. But as he explained it, there was nothing special about a Z/28 that made it lighter than a base Camaro optioned identically.

So this "light weight" Camaro didn't really exist.

Discussion..................????????
That's kind of how I understood it, more of a stripped down factory race car.


Damn, I can't stop looking at that one from SEMA.
__________________
brandotron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 08:44 PM   #683
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,407
Did you mean lighter feeling because of the sports suspension? If I remember right I think the Z/28 was heavier then the regular V8. gonna have to go look up the specs.....
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:22 PM   #684
Number 3
Hail to the King baby!
 
Number 3's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 ATS 2.0T & '14 Chevrolet SS
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 8,243
Trans Am racers were production-based cars with engines of 305 cid or less. Chevy worked a forged steel version of the 283-cid V-8's crankshaft into its 327 V-8 to get 302 cid. Big-port Corvette heads, solid lifters, a hot cam, a baffled oil pan, and a Holley four-barrel on a tuned aluminum manifold were specified. Horsepower was rated at 290; it likely was closer to 360.

At least 1,000 streetable examples had to be produced, and Chevy's tack was to make the 302 part of a Camaro Regular Production Option Code. So low-key was the effort that the car wasn't advertised, or even mentioned in sales literature. The knowledgeable buyer had to order a base 6-cylinder Camaro ($2,466), then scan the order sheet for what turned out to be the most famous RPO in history: Z28.

The package cost $400 and included the 302, the F-41 handling suspension, 15-inch tires on Corvette six-inch Rally wheels, and quick-ratio manual steering. A Muncie four-speed was the only transmission; power front disc brakes were a mandatory $100 option.

RPO Z28 was available on the coupe only and could be combined with the hidden-headlamp RS option group. There were no Z28 emblems on the car, but the package did include broad racing stripes on the hood and trunklid. Camaro's rear lip spoiler was a popular option.

The Z28 had a buckboard ride and sports-car handling. The 302 was a peaky devil, hard to launch and lethargic under 4000 rpm. Driven as it was meant to be, performance was shattering. Road & Track settled on 7500 rpm (!) as the optimal shift point and reported 63 mph in first gear, 85 in second, and 113 in third. Top speed approached 140 mph. "If the Z-28 isn't a bona fide racing car," said the magazine, "then we've never seen one."


and from another source:

Chevrolet listed curb weights for the 1967 Camaro as 2,910 pounds for the 6-cylinder coupe, 3,070 pounds for the 8-cylinder coupe, 3,165 pounds for the 6-cylinder convertible, and 3,325 for the 8-cylinder convertible. Add 21 pounds for power windows, 20 pounds for the folding rear seat, 86 pounds for air conditioning, 9 pounds for power brakes, 23 pounds for front disc brakes, 10 pounds for the 250-cid 6-cylinder engine, 39 pounds for the 327-cid V-8 engine, 72 pounds for the 350-cid V-8 engine, 258 pounds for the 396-cid V-8 engine, 7 pounds for the four speed manual transmission, 14 pounds for the Powerglide, 56 pounds for the Turbo Hydra-Matic, 38 pounds for dual exhaust, 29 pounds for power steering, 15 pounds for heavy duty battery, 8 pounds for an AM radio, 9 pounds for an AM-FM radio, and 17 pounds for the Rally Sport.


Nothing mentioned about any special light weight parts for the Z28.
__________________
"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley Link to Every Camaro photo I've taken in Hi-Resolution
Number 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:26 PM   #685
1320junkie
Account Suspended
 
Drives: The Imperial Army
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: The Darkside
Posts: 15,898
...Number 3, pimpsmackin' the forum with knowledge...one post at a time
1320junkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:27 PM   #686
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 3 View Post
Nothing mentioned about any special light weight parts for the Z28.

Yeah I dont think it was lighter.... But we all know a good suspension set up can make a car "feel" lighter.
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:34 PM   #687
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,407
For a 69 Z/28 - 3765l bs
For a 69 SS w/ a 396 - 3790lbs
For a 69 COPO w/ 496- 3500lbs....HOLY CRAP!
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:46 PM   #688
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1320junkie View Post
...Number 3, pimpsmackin' the forum with knowledge...one post at a time
LMAO... I didnt see this! He is a fountain of knowledge isnt he???
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:47 PM   #689
Number 3
Hail to the King baby!
 
Number 3's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 ATS 2.0T & '14 Chevrolet SS
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 8,243
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShnOmac View Post
For a 69 Z/28 - 3765l bs
For a 69 SS w/ a 396 - 3790lbs
For a 69 COPO w/ 496- 3500lbs....HOLY CRAP!
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm aluminum big block

http://www.camaros.org/9560list.shtml
__________________
"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley Link to Every Camaro photo I've taken in Hi-Resolution
Number 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:47 PM   #690
2cnd chance
It Will Be Mine
 
2cnd chance's Avatar
 
Drives: A Z06 or a 2015 1LE?
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Road
Posts: 6,299
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 3 View Post
Trans Am racers were production-based cars with engines of 305 cid or less. Chevy worked a forged steel version of the 283-cid V-8's crankshaft into its 327 V-8 to get 302 cid. Big-port Corvette heads, solid lifters, a hot cam, a baffled oil pan, and a Holley four-barrel on a tuned aluminum manifold were specified. Horsepower was rated at 290; it likely was closer to 360.

At least 1,000 streetable examples had to be produced, and Chevy's tack was to make the 302 part of a Camaro Regular Production Option Code. So low-key was the effort that the car wasn't advertised, or even mentioned in sales literature. The knowledgeable buyer had to order a base 6-cylinder Camaro ($2,466), then scan the order sheet for what turned out to be the most famous RPO in history: Z28.

The package cost $400 and included the 302, the F-41 handling suspension, 15-inch tires on Corvette six-inch Rally wheels, and quick-ratio manual steering. A Muncie four-speed was the only transmission; power front disc brakes were a mandatory $100 option.

RPO Z28 was available on the coupe only and could be combined with the hidden-headlamp RS option group. There were no Z28 emblems on the car, but the package did include broad racing stripes on the hood and trunklid. Camaro's rear lip spoiler was a popular option.

The Z28 had a buckboard ride and sports-car handling. The 302 was a peaky devil, hard to launch and lethargic under 4000 rpm. Driven as it was meant to be, performance was shattering. Road & Track settled on 7500 rpm (!) as the optimal shift point and reported 63 mph in first gear, 85 in second, and 113 in third. Top speed approached 140 mph. "If the Z-28 isn't a bona fide racing car," said the magazine, "then we've never seen one."


and from another source:

Chevrolet listed curb weights for the 1967 Camaro as 2,910 pounds for the 6-cylinder coupe, 3,070 pounds for the 8-cylinder coupe, 3,165 pounds for the 6-cylinder convertible, and 3,325 for the 8-cylinder convertible. Add 21 pounds for power windows, 20 pounds for the folding rear seat, 86 pounds for air conditioning, 9 pounds for power brakes, 23 pounds for front disc brakes, 10 pounds for the 250-cid 6-cylinder engine, 39 pounds for the 327-cid V-8 engine, 72 pounds for the 350-cid V-8 engine, 258 pounds for the 396-cid V-8 engine, 7 pounds for the four speed manual transmission, 14 pounds for the Powerglide, 56 pounds for the Turbo Hydra-Matic, 38 pounds for dual exhaust, 29 pounds for power steering, 15 pounds for heavy duty battery, 8 pounds for an AM radio, 9 pounds for an AM-FM radio, and 17 pounds for the Rally Sport.


Nothing mentioned about any special light weight parts for the Z28.

High-Tech at the time?
If so the twin turbo V6 on a DI engine fits the bill, yes!?


If only. (RS HH)
2cnd chance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:52 PM   #691
wildpaws

 
wildpaws's Avatar
 
Drives: 1999 Blazer
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,220
I agree with most of what Number3 posted, indeed there were no "light weight" parts. Besides the suspension (or should I say due to the suspension) the big difference was the Z/28 sat lower (close to two inches) than all other Camaros despite all others having 14" wheels/tires while the Z/28 had 15" wheels/tires, that's why the SS came with F70 14" tires but the Z/28 came with slightly narrower E70 15" tires. Based on those weight listings, I come up with 3,205 lb for a '69 Z/28. 3,070 lb. base V8 weight, 32lb power disk brakes, 72lb V8, 7lb 4 speed, 15lb Heavy duty battery, 9lb AM-FM radio. If I remember correctly, when I bought mine in '69 it weighed about 3,375 lb, I paid about $3,385 for it, so just about a dollar a pound.
Clyde
wildpaws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:52 PM   #692
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,407
Looking at all these old pictures of cars is making me want to take my money and start working on a oldie!
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:54 PM   #693
Number 3
Hail to the King baby!
 
Number 3's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 ATS 2.0T & '14 Chevrolet SS
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 8,243
So they closed the "hey you are dumb for calling your car a 6 speed" thread...................but the "hey is my girlfriend cheating on me" thread is wiiiiiiiiiiide open.






Ok, I'm out.

Have a good night!
__________________
"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley Link to Every Camaro photo I've taken in Hi-Resolution
Number 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:55 PM   #694
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,407
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 3 View Post
So they closed the "hey you are dumb for calling your car a 6 speed" thread...................but the "hey is my girlfriend cheating on me" thread is wiiiiiiiiiiide open.






Ok, I'm out.

Have a good night!
lol Cya Number 3
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 09:56 PM   #695
Number 3
Hail to the King baby!
 
Number 3's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 ATS 2.0T & '14 Chevrolet SS
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 8,243
Quote:
Originally Posted by wildpaws View Post
I agree with most of what Number3 posted, indeed there were no "light weight" parts. Besides the suspension (or should I say due to the suspension) the big difference was the Z/28 sat lower (close to two inches) than all other Camaros despite all others having 14" wheels/tires while the Z/28 had 15" wheels/tires, that's why the SS came with F70 14" tires but the Z/28 came with slightly narrower E70 15" tires. Based on those weight listings, I come up with 3,205 lb for a '69 Z/28. 3,070 lb. base V8 weight, 32lb power disk brakes, 72lb V8, 7lb 4 speed, 15lb Heavy duty battery, 9lb AM-FM radio. If I remember correctly, when I bought mine in '69 it weighed about 3,375 lb, I paid about $3,385 for it, so just about a dollar a pound.
Clyde
So with inflation...................we're at about 8/lb.

Love it!!!!!!!

And what do you mean most? I "borrowed" that material from some pretty official looking websites.LOL
__________________
"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley Link to Every Camaro photo I've taken in Hi-Resolution
Number 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 10:00 PM   #696
2cnd chance
It Will Be Mine
 
2cnd chance's Avatar
 
Drives: A Z06 or a 2015 1LE?
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Road
Posts: 6,299
add weight for disc? I thought drums weighed more?
2cnd chance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 10:07 PM   #697
Mr. Wyndham
I used to be Dragoneye...
 
Mr. Wyndham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LE
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 25,788
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Wyndham
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2cnd chance View Post
add weight for disc? I thought drums weighed more?
The calipers necessary on disks make up for it....
__________________
"Keep the faith." - - Read Before You Post.
SIGN UP for 2014 Camaro5 HPDE @ Gingerman Raceway!
Mr. Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2009, 10:09 PM   #698
2cnd chance
It Will Be Mine
 
2cnd chance's Avatar
 
Drives: A Z06 or a 2015 1LE?
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Road
Posts: 6,299
yeah I guess I can see that
2cnd chance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2009, 09:37 AM   #699
djsnoflake
Faith Keeper
 
djsnoflake's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Silverado LTZ, 2010 2SS/RS
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada
Posts: 2,791
Man that rear bumper off the Leno car is on a few of the others also. Wonder if it is gonna be the new standard, or part of a different body kit?
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by fbodfather View Post
.........we are far from finished.................
djsnoflake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2009, 09:39 AM   #700
Mr Twisty


 
Mr Twisty's Avatar
 
Drives: the 2nd amendment home
Join Date: May 2008
Location: OK
Posts: 14,385
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 3 View Post
Well I was talking to a guy who owns one of the Gen I Z/28s. We had this discussion. The only difference between a Camaro and a Z/28 was you couldn't order certain options which kept the weight from climbing. But as he explained it, there was nothing special about a Z/28 that made it lighter than a base Camaro optioned identically.

So this "light weight" Camaro didn't really exist.

Discussion..................????????
Good point. The 87,88,89 1LE was more of a lightweight racer, and they could do the same with the 5th gen., but it would be a tough car to sell.
No A/C
Crank windows
No radio

The 1st gen Z/28 was just a great motor and suspension setup... For it's time.
__________________
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
Great Racing Quotes

"Never run out of real estate, traction and ideas at the same time."
"I was doing fine until about mid-corner when I ran out of talent."
"Don't brake until you see God, just don't meet him"
Mr Twisty is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Tags
"number z", 2014 700hp z/28, 3/27/2013, 75k, super de duper z thread, what'z up?, where's our z/28, why no big z?, z/28 spring 2014

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Camaro vs House? P. Ham 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 82 05-20-2011 06:03 PM
House approves $2B more for 'cash for clunkers shank0668 General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 3 07-31-2009 05:36 PM
3rd Annual Corvette Open House at MacMulkin Chevrolet-WELCOMES the ALL NEW CAMARO!! MacMulkin USA - New England 2 04-11-2009 10:16 AM
White House Approves $17.4 Billion Auto Loans to GM & Chrysler josh1147 General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 97 12-29-2008 03:21 PM
White House says auto loans deal not imminent camaro5 General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 11 12-15-2008 12:44 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.