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Old 11-15-2011, 01:39 PM   #6801
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Coffee and Bailey's...TWO shotz per mug, and it's "good to the last drop!"

Here, we refer to that as Cafe' Jay Robert (Row-Bear), and NO it's NOT the same with Caroline's or any other imitation Bailey's...

ZL1 price? How could it possibly be le$$, without giving less?

Anyone, here, "see" a next-version (not Gen) BOSS with an n/a 5.8L with 500 hp? Where's the ZEE?
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:40 PM   #6802
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580 peeps viewing Z section right now.
It was over 1000 a while ago...
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:42 PM   #6803
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Coffee and Bailey's...TWO shotz per mug, and it's "good to the last drop!"

Here, we refer to that as Cafe' Jay Robert (Row-Bear), and NO it's NOT the same with Caroline's or any other imitation Bailey's...

ZL1 price? How could it possibly be le$$, without giving less?

Anyone, here, "see" a next-version (not Gen) BOSS with an n/a 5.8L with 500 hp? Where's the ZEE?
I think I need a cup of Bailey's with a shot of coffee with all this bickering going on...
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:45 PM   #6804
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It was over 1000 a while ago...

Wow, I didn't notice that. I was kinda busy collecting my jaw from the carpet under my chair.
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:48 PM   #6805
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580 peeps viewing Z section right now.

Too bad it's not 650 :(

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Old 11-15-2011, 01:48 PM   #6806
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Too bad it's not 650 :(

I literally laughed out loud from that...
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:00 PM   #6807
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I think I need a cup of Bailey's with a shot of coffee with all this bickering going on...
GUARANTEED, such a recipe will have ya not nearly so "concerned"...

Mel-loooowwwwwwww, baby!

Scarrzz, you mean this?
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:13 PM   #6808
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Too bad it's not 650 :(

Yah, the coincidence caught my eye right away.
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:42 PM   #6809
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In my coffee.
Give this a try.

Strong Coffee
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no need to get all fancy on me. a cup of folgers would do.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:54 PM   #6810
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:48 PM   #6811
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Coffee and Bailey's...TWO shotz per mug, and it's "good to the last drop!"

Here, we refer to that as Cafe' Jay Robert (Row-Bear), and NO it's NOT the same with Caroline's or any other imitation Bailey's...

ZL1 price? How could it possibly be le$$, without giving less?

Anyone, here, "see" a next-version (not Gen) BOSS with an n/a 5.8L with 500 hp? Where's the ZEE?
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:50 PM   #6812
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I was simply going by the cost differential from a CTS to a CTS-V and doing the same cost up from a 2LT Camaro to a ZL1.

I had no basis or knowledge of pricing I just speculated that the $20,000 or so a V costs could be applied to the Camaro.........................plus I thought a sub $50K price tag would have been very attractive.

That being said, you are getting near Z06 performance and hardware for $20K LESS so maybe not tooooo bad.

Now about that being 70 HP short even before you can actually buy one............
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Old 11-15-2011, 06:51 PM   #6813
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Now about that being 70 HP short even before you can actually buy one............
Here is the latest from Ford. They announced today that the 2014 Shelby would be 1,000 RWHP in response to the 2013 LS9 equipped ZL1.














GM just announced the 2015 6th Gen Camaro will weigh 2,999 pounds and have a twin Turbo LS9 putting down 1,200 RWHP.














At this time, Ford had not returned my phone calls regarding the all new 2016 Mustang Shelby....
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Here is the latest from Ford. They announced today that the 2014 Shelby would be 1,000 RWHP in response to the 2013 LS9 equipped ZL1.














GM just announced the 2015 6th Gen Camaro will weigh 2,999 pounds and have a twin Turbo LS9 putting down 1,200 RWHP.














At this time, Ford had not returned my phone calls regarding the all new 2016 Mustang Shelby....
I may have to turn this info into its own thread.....
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:28 PM   #6815
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Now about that being 70 HP short even before you can actually buy one............
I appreciate your honesty, it is what it is but I'm also not going to sugarcoat it.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:38 PM   #6816
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I appreciate your honesty, it is what it is but I'm also not going to sugarcoat it.
well I've always looked at it from a higher level than most. Camaro simply is not and never has been the biggest bullet in the Chevy/GM arsenal. It is and will at least for the near future be the Corvette.

Give Ford credit, they have finally matched GM with LS9 level horsepower. But this wonderful Shelby weighs in at a whopppppinnnnggggggggg 500 pounds more than the ZR1.

Yes, Ford had the GT for a short while, a TRUE supercar. That is gone and this is the only architecture Ford has to play with.

I can easily understand why for some this is a Camaro/Mustang battle. I've just looked at it from a Ford/GM perspective.

And of course we haven't seen Fords price yet on their little beasty.

Is the ZL1 still the better value? I think it will be. You are getting nearly Z06 performance from the ZL1 for a lot less money. And from my experience, the Z06 is verrrrrrry traction limited. Even with the "loose" TC on, you can quickly see how the Z06 with it's light weight and only 505 HP is more car than tire. It's why with the Cup Tires it ran a much closer 'ring time relative to the ZR1. And unless Ford tubbed out the Mustang, they can go larger diameter all they want and it gets no more rubber on the road. Are they torque managing? Is there a new trans? If you put 1,000 hp in front of a crap trans and have to torque limit it..............well we all know what you get there.

And here is one small tid bit to ponder...............GM has always and I mean ALWAYS been better at chassis controls than Ford.

Hmmmmmmmm seems the house is getting techy again.
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Hmmmmmmmm seems the house is getting techy again.


I like techy....
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