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Old 11-25-2012, 11:31 AM   #10751
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:04 PM   #10752
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...mmmm, turkey and mashed potatos, again....
Turkey eating mashed potatoes again? Oh, my mistake.

I had to make more gravy & homemade cranberry sauce for the chicken & cornbread dressing. It was a good investment, and I still had the turkey drippings. Post Thanksgiving week is always a winner.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:51 PM   #10753
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Any article that hasn't picked the ATS seems to be giving it to the 3 Series simply on being the long reigning champion in that class.

I worked with the team just a smidge very early on in the program and I know the the folks that did all the heavy lifting really sweated the details for mass, ride and handling. I think simply that it hasn't been a run away in the reviews for the ATS showd us more how good the 3 Series has been all these years.

As for FE, that pretty much comes from aerodynamics, mass and rolling resistence (also related to mass). On a performance car that prizes handling and braking, it would be hard to have a FE biased tire. Aero could be better I suppose. There are technologies that could help i.e. grill shutters on the Cruze Eco. And mass? Well the ATS is already lightest in the class. So unless you either put a hybrid powertrain or really small turbo engine under the hood, big leaps in FE as you point out are tough to come by. That being said, the 2.0T in both the A4, Verano and ATS all returned 24 mpg combined if I recall correctly. But my experience with the Audi is it will actually get you the EPA highway number in the real world. GM cars from my experience only return the EPA highway number if you cruise at 62 to 65 mph.
Wow, it's a long way to go in a short time to get to the up coming government fuel standards.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:35 PM   #10754
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Wow, it's a long way to go in a short time to get to the up coming government fuel standards.
What is it? 35 by 2016 and then 54.4 by 2025? Pretty steep when you consider that 40 is the new benchmark for high fuel efficiency cars without hybrid propulsion.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:17 PM   #10755
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What is it? 35 by 2016 and then 54.4 by 2025? Pretty steep when you consider that 40 is the new benchmark for high fuel efficiency cars without hybrid propulsion.
I heard hydrogen is picking up speed in the alternate fuel wars?
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:56 PM   #10756
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Pete! Need details on Pedderizing Kelly's ZL1 please. Probably a build thread?
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:20 PM   #10757
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Pete! Need details on Pedderizing Kelly's ZL1 please. Probably a build thread?
Kelley's Gallery

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I have been using FB as it is so easy to use.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:44 PM   #10758
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But Pete, what about a quiet, shy guy like me with no aspirations to go near FB?! .....
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But Pete, what about a quiet, shy guy like me with no aspirations to go near FB?! .....
suck it up princess and sign in













I don't think you have to be a Facebook member to see the photos, do you?
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:00 PM   #10760
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Wow, it's a long way to go in a short time to get to the upcoming government fuel standards.
I think this is a very "exciting" time in the Auto Industry for powertrain development, particularly. Over the next 5-10 years, we're gonna see more technological changes than we've witnessed over a very long time, previously.

And the development of alternative materials and manufacturing methods will be very dynamic, too. Magnesium body panels...really?! Carbon fiber and derivatives? Wider use of high-strength steel and ultra-high-strength steel? Stronger-but-lighter?

Either that, or we'll be souping up our Segways...mine'll have to have the high-speed aero-correct heat-emitting umbrella feature...
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My understanding of the word "tablet" is that it comes out of a bottle branded "BAYER"...



Pete, this is what I get when I click on your "Kelley" link:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...8585997&type=3

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Old 11-26-2012, 06:08 PM   #10762
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My understanding of the word "tablet" is that it comes out of a bottle branded "BAYER"...



Pete, this is what I get when I click on your "Kelley" link:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...8585997&type=3

I see a photo gallery. My guess is you see a blank page?
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"This content is currently unavailable"...



[...and my toe is gettin' sore...guess I'll get me some steel-toed sneakers...]
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:24 PM   #10764
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[...and my toe is gettin' sore...]
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I guess you need a FB account :emoticon7:

There are at least 600 pictures you want to see on just a handful of my Facebook albums and those are just ZL1, OUSCI and CamaroFEST III. Go ahead and sign up to look through my photos. Once you are done you can delete the account because you will have seen the best Facebook has to offer.



I forgot about Abigail's modeling page....



On second thought, why bother
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Guess I better take the bull by the horns...
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Old 11-26-2012, 06:30 PM   #10766
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:28 PM   #10767
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Sitting at the Buick dealer waiting for the Audi trade in value. GS maybe? We will see.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:53 PM   #10768
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I see a photo gallery. My guess is you see a blank page?
...may I suggest Scarrzz,... he usually submits a pretty darn good photo gallery.....,
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:55 PM   #10769
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:18 PM   #10770
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:53 PM   #10771
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Reasonable lease, fair trade in that still loses a bit of the orginal DP.

Lease has good and bad points.

Car is certainly nice. What I probably should have done in the first place instead of the Audi only because it was in the consideration set then just as it is now.

Started looking at a couple of used ones but ended up thinking new.

Surprising amount of torque steer. May be too used to the Cruze which has anti-torque steer or should I say devoid-of-torque steer.

Keep you posted of course. Good thing though is I'm finding some of my young engineers might be died in the whool car guys. Of course they wouldn't fit our mold. One drives a Golf AWD something or another. Another driving an older BMW 3 and the other youngster (don't tell them I call that I think it's derogitory...................but they could all easily be my sons) drives an '06 Cayman. But I think when you get close to the cities with trains and mass transit you don't think cars as much. Just have to get them thinking Camaros....................God forbid even a Mustang

Oh and the big issue on the GS is the wheels. 20s look sweet but come with summer only tires. 19s look nice, but NOT sweet but come with All Season tires. Thoughts? A perfect House question.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:06 AM   #10772
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Before you get the GS, have you seen what Fen posted about Buick rumors?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262660


As for those 255/35R20 on the GS, yes the rims are good looking, but those low profile wheel/tire combos do not live well with big city winter potholes. :(

You could look at a winter only tire/wheel combo in the 225/50R18 size.
The X-Ice Xi3 by Michelin is a good tire at a much better price point than a A/S in the 20" size.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:49 AM   #10773
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Before you get the GS, have you seen what Fen posted about Buick rumors?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262660

Saw that.................but still just rumors. Believe it when you see camo on cars in spy photos.

As for those 255/35R20 on the GS, yes the rims are good looking, but those low profile wheel/tire combos do not live well with big city winter potholes. :(

You could look at a winter only tire/wheel combo in the 225/50R18 size.
The X-Ice Xi3 by Michelin is a good tire at a much better price point than a A/S in the 20" size.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....omCompare1=yes
Thanks, my thoughts exactly on the 20s.
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...and, Number 3, don't forget Pete's mantra..."needs lowering"...and I'll bet he has an idea of just how to do that...
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Looks like this one has already paid Pete a visit...

"Shopped"? Still compelling...

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