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Old 11-04-2009, 10:52 AM   #783
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HELL YEAH! A jacked-up Silverado with an LSA next to my Z28?
They have an LSA in that truck?? Must have missed that one. Sweet
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:17 AM   #784
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How much lighter is that car, really, than an LS3/L99 car? Those turbos and plumbing are going to cost additional weight. The powertrain and chassis will have to be beefed up. And to "only" get about the same power as an LS3? Not even worth it, IMHO. If this is Z28, I'm getting an SS.

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Old 11-04-2009, 11:42 AM   #785
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and you are wrong.
We'll see.

All but the engine. The Z/28 will be this car and the LSA.


A side note; the E-Rod engines will have the LS7 available? I thought we heard that due to cost, etc, etc, it would disappear? Uh, Number 3?
If this is the case give me a Jay Leno (Z/28) with the LS7 and all my $$$$ goes to GM no aftermarket needed! Who's with me?
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E-Rod announcement:

UNCOMPROMISING CLASSIC: GM’S E-ROD ’55 INTRODUCES NEW, EMISSIONS-COMPLIANT CRATE ENGINE PACKAGE
LAS VEGAS – Vintage style complements modern performance, efficiency and emissions standards in GM Performance Parts’ ground breaking E-ROD – a ’55 Chevy powered by the innovative, new E-ROD crate engine package. It includes a complete LS3 engine, emissions equipment and supporting components that enable classic cars to pass California’s stringent smog tests.

GM Performance Parts (GMPP) introduced the E-ROD concept vehicle at the 2009 SEMA Show, in Las Vegas. The E-ROD crate engine package will be available on the opening day of the 2009 SEMA Show through GM dealers, authorized GMPP retailers and via the GMPP Web site, www.gmperformanceparts.com. List price for the LS3 E-ROD package is $9,375.

“E-ROD represents a revolution in hot rodding by offering an unprecedented, emissions-legal engine and emissions system that carries approval from the influential California Air Resources Board (CARB),” said Dr. Jamie Meyer, product marketing manager for GM Performance Parts. “We developed this system because it’s the right thing to do, but our engineers did not sacrifice the performance that stirs hot rodders in the first place. It is a compromise-free package that delivers great power and efficiency, with the emissions of a modern vehicle.”

The core of the E-ROD package is the LS3 6.2L V-8 engine that is rated at 430 horsepower. Emissions equipment included with the package includes catalytic converters, a fuel tank evaporative emissions canister and more. GMPP worked closely with CARB and SEMA officials to develop the kit and secured approval that makes E-ROD-equipped vehicles legal in California and other areas that follow CARB’s recommendations and emissions standards. No other O.E.M. or aftermarket manufacturer offers a comparable, CARB-approved system.

“With the E-ROD system, you’re getting 160 percent more horsepower than the original small-block V-8 offered in 1955, but with emissions performance and efficiency that wasn’t even dreamt of half a century ago,” said Meyer. “This is how modern hot rods will be built. They’ll have the efficiency of a modern GM high-performance vehicle, be environmentally conscious and emissions-compliant – all while providing the owner with a smaller carbon footprint.”

The E-ROD system components
The E-ROD kit carries part number 19244805 and includes the same, basic LS3 engine that’s found in the Camaro SS and Corvette (additional engine choices, including the LS7 and LSA, are planned for future packages). Standard elements of the kit include:

6.2-liter LS3 crate engine, rated at 430 horsepower and 424 lb.-ft. of torque
GMPP LS3 engine wiring harness
GMPP engine control module
Exhaust manifolds
Catalytic converters
Oxygen sensors and sensor bosses
Fuel tank evaporative emissions canister
Mass airflow sensor and sensor boss
Accelerator pedal (for use with the LS3’s electronic throttle)
Air filter
Instruction manual
In addition to the E-ROD system, the builder will need to source additional components to complete the assembly and get the vehicle running. They include:

Fuel tank
Fuel lines (re-circulating or returnless)
Fuel pump
Fuel tank vent line from the tank to the evaporative emissions canister
Pure line from the canister to the engine purge solenoid
Air induction system that incorporates the mass airflow sensor
Exhaust system behind the catalytic converters
Additionally, the LS3 engine requires a front-end accessory drive system that is suitable to the vehicle. The instruction manual includes recommendations for the accessory drive kit, as well as the transmission, gear ratios and more.

The E-ROD kit does not include a transmission. GMPP recommends the GM Hydra-Matic electronically controlled 4L60-E four-speed automatic, part number 19156260, and transmission controller, part number 12497316.

The E-ROD ’55
GMPP’s proof of concept for the E-ROD package is the E-ROD ’55, which was built to illustrate a typical installation project. Importantly, it represents an attainable level of construction, blending basic restoration and modification details.

“It is a simple, clean and straightforward approach to building a ’55 Chevy,” said designer Dave Ross. “There are not many custom features that required labor-intensive fabrication; our goal was to depict how the E-ROD system could be incorporated in any classic vehicle, whether it’s a ’55 Chevy, street rod or ’69 Camaro.”

The exterior wears factory-style chrome Bel Air trim, which accents the custom PPG colors applied by GM. On the inside, the E-ROD ’55 has an original-style appearance, with upholstery and other restoration items supplied by CARS Inc. The only noticeable variances include an IDIDIT adjustable steering column and Grand steering wheel.

Also keeping with the elemental aesthetic of the car, the wheels selected weren’t expensive, billet-cut rims, but the simple, 18-inch steel wheels from the base Camaro. They’re trimmed with bright trim rings, lug nuts and center caps. They’re distinctive yet inexpensive.

“In many respects, this is a practical hot rod,” said Ross. “The attention to detail would make any rodder proud, but there’s nothing about this car that would prevent you from jumping in for a cross-country drive. It’s comfortable, powerful and efficient.”

GM Performance Parts – tested to the limits, backed by GM
GM Performance Parts crate engines undergo a 50-hour, full-throttle engine dynamometer validation that requires the engines perform from peak horsepower to peak torque. GMPP also installs crate engines in its own engineering vehicles for testing and continuous improvement. That commitment to quality and durability enables General Motors to back GM Performance Parts crate engines with a 24-month/50,000-mile warranty (whichever occurs first). All GM Performance Parts components carry a 12-month/12,000-mile warranty.

Enthusiasts who crave the latest technology, maximum horsepower and the expertise and confidence backed by GM, can purchase GMPP crate engines, blocks, heads, high-performance transmissions and components from GMPP Authorized Center dealers or any other GM dealership nationwide. To shop for GMPP products, or for more information, visit www.gmperformanceparts.com.

You can also keep up with the latest from GMPP on Facebook and Twitter.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:58 AM   #787
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And the LSX Announcement:

GM PERFORMANCE PARTS’ LSX PARTS AND CRATE ENGINE PORTFOLIO GROWS IN 2010
LAS VEGAS – GM Performance Parts (GMPP) strengthens its lineup of maximum-performance LSX parts and crate engines in 2010 with more components and a new, forced induction-friendly version of the LSX376 crate engine.

The LSX components complement GMPP’s extensive roster of production-based LS crate engines and parts, including components that enable production-based engines to be converted to carburetion for use in vintage street cars and a variety of drag racing and circle track classes.

“If you’re building a General Motors LS engine, there’s no better resource for parts than GM Performance Parts,” said Dr. Jamie Meyer, product marketing manager, GM Performance Parts. “Engine builders will find everything they need – from blocks and rotating assemblies to heads and intake systems – all designed, tested and warranted by General Motors. Remember, we are the factory, and our engineers invented, tested and continue to perfect the LS engine architecture.”

Highlights of the 2010 lineup include:

New LSX376 crate engine with 9.0:1 compression, for supercharged and turbocharged engine combinations (P/N 19171049)
New forged aluminum, dished piston for 6.2L engines – the low-compression piston used in the LSX376 crate engine is available separately for builders assembling a custom engine (P/N 19244016)
New finishing kit for carbureted LS engines with cathedral-port heads, including an intake manifold, ignition coils, coil brackets, plug wires and more (P/N 19244041)
Standard- and tall-deck versions of the low-cost, high-strength LSX Bowtie cylinder block – tested beyond 2,000 horsepower
LSX cylinder heads with six-bolt clamping design and either a LS7or L92/LS3 port configuration
New Drag Race LSX heads, both bare and CNC-ported, that flow up to 430 cfm
LSX camshafts and forged LSX rotating parts
A wide variety of carbureted and production-style EFI intake manifolds that suit almost all LS cylinder heads
An array of great-looking, engraved valve covers with GMPP, Chevrolet, Corvette and Pontiac logos – including brilliant, polished covers
Along with crate engines and engine parts, GMPP adds a new, high-performance SuperMatic 4L70-E four-speed, electronically controlled automatic transmission for 2010. It is suitable for many high-power street and street/strip combinations. It is based on the tough 4L60-E transmission, but with beefier internal components and a torque rating far greater than a production transmission.

“Shopping for LSX parts and GMPP’s other components is as easy as logging onto gmperformanceparts.com,” said Meyer. “It is the first O.E. performance parts site that allows enthusiasts to purchase parts, engines and accessories online, with a secure site that is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Our dealers will get you your parts before that big race!”

GMPP’s comprehensive Web site offers approximately 40 crate engines and more than 1,000 parts, along with detailed specifications, installation tips, recent magazine articles, videos and more.

LSX376 details
The LSX376 is an affordable performer that’s suitable for street and racing applications. It combines the economical and strong LSX Bowtie standard-deck block with the production LS3 engine’s high-flow, L92-style cylinder heads and camshaft. Unique, forged-aluminum LSX pistons are part of the assembly. Unique LSX376-logo valve covers give it a premium look.

New for 2010, the LSX376 comes with lower-compression, 9.0:1 pistons that make it a great choice for forced induction combinations, such as a turbocharger or supercharger.

When fitted with a production LS3 intake manifold and injection system, the LSX376 is capable of producing approximately 450 horsepower (335 kW) and 430 lb.-ft. of torque (583 Nm). It can also be fitted with a carbureted induction system that can be tuned for greater power. The manifold and carburetor are available from GMPP.

LSX454
The LSX454 crate engine is a true showcase of horsepower for the new LSX line of parts from GMPP. This powerful crate engine uses the standard-deck LSX Bowtie block, along with an all-forged, super-tough LSX rotating assembly and a pair of GMPP’s new, deep-breathing LSX six-bolt cylinder heads.

The LSX454 is rated at 600-plus horsepower and 600-plus lb.-ft. of torque. It ships as a long block, and consumers can choose from a production LS7 EFI intake or a high-rise intake manifold with four-barrel carburetor for induction. It also comes dressed with great-looking, all-new orange powder-coated valve covers with “LSX454” logos engraved and painted black.

GM Performance Parts – tested to the limits, backed by GM
GM Performance Parts crate engines undergo a 50-hour, full-throttle engine dynamometer validation that requires the engines perform from peak horsepower to peak torque. GMPP also installs crate engines in its own engineering vehicles for testing and continuous improvement. That commitment to quality and durability enables General Motors to back GM Performance Parts crate engines with a 24-month/50,000-mile warranty (whichever occurs first). All GM Performance Parts components carry a 12-month/12,000-mile warranty.

Enthusiasts who crave the latest technology, maximum horsepower and the expertise and confidence backed by GM, can purchase GMPP crate engines, blocks, heads, high-performance transmissions and components from GMPP Authorized Center dealers or any other GM dealership nationwide. To shop for GMPP products, or for more information, visit www.gmperformanceparts.com.

You can also keep up with the latest from GMPP on Facebook and Twitter.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:01 PM   #788
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:27 PM   #789
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Aftermarket probably low. Keep in mind new ford 3.5L is 365 HP. So this is up 60 HP. Plus rule of thumb is 10 HP per pound of boost so 12 pounds of boost would put the Camaro at 424.

Or look at this way
14.7 psi *should* double your hp (612hp) ,
7.5psi *should* +50% more hp (459hp)
Iam betting its about 6-7psi on a stock 3.6 (425hp)
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:47 PM   #791
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Is what out yet?
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:49 PM   #792
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Aftermarket probably low. Keep in mind new ford 3.5L is 365 HP. So this is up 60 HP. Plus rule of thumb is 10 HP per pound of boost so 12 pounds of boost would put the Camaro at 424.
424hp from a Turbo V-6 with no penalty to fuel-efficiency is outstanding = I want one!
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:57 PM   #794
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I agree 100%.... Im digging the nice clean look of it
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:25 PM   #795
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Jim that dusk car is phenomenal...
I agree. I really like the "understated" efforts by GM on the SEMA cars. I think they probably assumed there would be enough over the top cars vying for attention. So trying to outdo some of the great efforts by the aftermarket guys was probably going to just result in just more of the same and get lost.

These stand out by not standing out, IMO.

I'd be really happy to see either the Leno car or Dusk go into production. Even Chroma looks great, but I've not been a fan of those particular wheels.
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Chroma looks great, but I've not been a fan of those particular wheels.
My thoughts exactly.... I would love to see Chroma with some other wheels!
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You mean the Red one over there? I think we need to move your desk down to the basement.
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but I could see the squirels at my last desk. . .
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