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Old 11-03-2013, 11:29 AM   #13801
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I would say negligible but when you are looking for bits of seconds in lap times it might do something.

That being said, the Porsche 911 GT3 has a Macpherson strut front suspension.
That's what I figured but I always thought it was interesting the Camaro had a front strut but the Corvette didn't.
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Old 11-03-2013, 11:35 AM   #13802
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Pete why the smaller bars on the Z/28.... weight? Bigger is not always better?

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Some prefer to set up a car with a bit more lean / roll to increase available traction. It is a style, a preference in setup. Combine that with the highly functional aero on the Z/28 and it is a very good setup as seen by the Ring time.

We started our setup in 2009 with higher rate coils and higher rate bars. One of the reasons we run with our style is available power. We have considerably more.

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That's what I figured but I always thought it was interesting the Camaro had a front strut but the Corvette didn't.
The virtual pivot strut works quite well, but an upper control arm has advantages beyond wheel stability. You don't see struts on a F1 car.
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Old 11-03-2013, 11:49 AM   #13803
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The virtual pivot strut works quite well, but an upper control arm has advantages beyond wheel stability. You don't see struts on a F1 car.
So would something like the Z/28 benefit from an upper control arm? Why do so many cars use the front strut?
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So would something like the Z/28 benefit from an upper control arm? Why do so many cars use the front strut?
I think it would benefit from the HiPer strut on the Buick. The Virtual Pivot setup delivers an incredible level of performance inexpensively. It is in use on quite a few high end cars.



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Not Pete (actually I am, but not that Pete), but the answer is that the bigger the sway bar, the more the suspension setup and/or design is compromised. Proper car setups have stunningly small sways. Big fat sways are compensating for a defect somewhere else in the suspension design, for example low spring rates.

A properly sprung and dampened car can use much smaller and lighter sways. Small(er) sways are yet one more piece of evidence that the Z/28 was properly designed for its mission in life.

Attached graphic is the sway bar (and one of two attachment links) off of an F3 car, it about the length of a long cigar and half the diameter of one in the center section.
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"The car sold to a phone bidder after opening action quickly moved the price to $1M and then up to $1.5M, where the reserve on the car was met and it sold. The owner must have been pleased, since the car was purchased in 2010 for just under $1M and a 60% return on investment at three years is pretty healthy. But the dilemma is, why, in the hottest Corvette market in history, did one of the five Corvette “Crown Jewels” sell for only $1.5M, especially in comparison to the 1967 Corvette that just set a world’s record in Mecum’s Dallas auction just a few weeks before?

“Only $1.5M,” sounds pretty elitist, but it is not meant that way. In a market where production Corvettes are selling for $600K to over $1M, and a 1967 L88, one of twenty Corvettes produced that year with the vaunted engine, just set a world’s record selling for $3.2M, then why did the father of the Corvette, Harley Earl’s personal Corvette and one-of-one specially built cars bring less than half of the price of the L88? The law of supply and demand dictates that in relative terms this car should have brought much more than the hammer price, and add to that the best ownership history a Corvette could have and it is pretty clear that the buyer got a pretty good deal. I realize that $1.5M is a lot to pay for any car, certainly more than I can afford, but in terms of the recent market and all of the attributes which make this one of the bluest, blue-chip collector Corvettes, the $1.5M sale is clearly a disappointment."
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Old 11-03-2013, 12:35 PM   #13807
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"The car sold to a phone bidder after opening action quickly moved the price to $1M and then up to $1.5M, where the reserve on the car was met and it sold. The owner must have been pleased, since the car was purchased in 2010 for just under $1M and a 60% return on investment at three years is pretty healthy. But the dilemma is, why, in the hottest Corvette market in history, did one of the five Corvette “Crown Jewels” sell for only $1.5M, especially in comparison to the 1967 Corvette that just set a world’s record in Mecum’s Dallas auction just a few weeks before?

“Only $1.5M,” sounds pretty elitist, but it is not meant that way. In a market where production Corvettes are selling for $600K to over $1M, and a 1967 L88, one of twenty Corvettes produced that year with the vaunted engine, just set a world’s record selling for $3.2M, then why did the father of the Corvette, Harley Earl’s personal Corvette and one-of-one specially built cars bring less than half of the price of the L88? The law of supply and demand dictates that in relative terms this car should have brought much more than the hammer price, and add to that the best ownership history a Corvette could have and it is pretty clear that the buyer got a pretty good deal. I realize that $1.5M is a lot to pay for any car, certainly more than I can afford, but in terms of the recent market and all of the attributes which make this one of the bluest, blue-chip collector Corvettes, the $1.5M sale is clearly a disappointment."
Welcome to another real-life manifestation of Quantitative Easing from the Federal Reserve. Money printing is going into equities and hard assets- high-end real estate, art, cars, etc. Enjoy the show while it lasts.
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:14 PM   #13809
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Welcome to another real-life manifestation of Quantitative Easing from the Federal Reserve. Money printing is going into equities and hard assets- high-end real estate, art, cars, etc. Enjoy the show while it lasts.
No doubt it's like the 80's again.

However my thoughts were more based on Harley Earl's personal 1 off Vette selling for 1/2 the $ of the regular production Vette (yes it's a 1 of 20)???
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Quantitative Easing from the Federal Reserve......Enjoy the show while it lasts.
....and that about sums it up....they say it not the fall that kills you....
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:24 PM   #13811
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Old 11-05-2013, 03:09 PM   #13812
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Damn tasty. Love it.

That car really has the stance everyone wants. Wheel wells filled with tire, wheels filled with brake, raked down in the front, low to the ground, fat hips, mean look.

Pure badassery.
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Old 11-05-2013, 03:16 PM   #13813
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Cool Flying Z

Did I miss the discussion about the flying Z?
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:39 PM   #13814
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:29 PM   #13815
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OK this is making it hard to think Camaro

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Old 11-06-2013, 08:49 PM   #13816
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Did I miss the discussion about the flying Z?
I think I know which turn that is...Love the Z/28....love the Nurburgring. That car looks like it was born to do just that.
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Old 11-06-2013, 09:02 PM   #13817
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Yummy!
Yeah. I usually don't like stuff that's that over the top but it looks pretty cool.
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Yeah. I usually don't like stuff that's that over the top but it looks pretty cool.
Very exotic.
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Did I miss the discussion about the flying Z?
...um, yeeeayh, thats an old pic and previously posted about it, with a lack of discussion I might add.... awesome shot though...Airborne..........!
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Oldie but a goodie!

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At this point it really is just a dream for me.

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Hmmmm need to find some more pics of this car.... Not sure if I like it or not.

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That car looks like it was born to do just that.

Needs a cape......
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:18 AM   #13821
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At this point it really is just a dream for me.

Hence my starting the other thread, going from 1LE to Z/28.
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Is the drivers side rear still touching the ground? Definitely didn't get as much air as the Stingray.
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...Getting air in a Z/28??....So much for all this "downforce" business....lol...
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...hahaha done that a few times, abit raucous in my approach, but never the less thrilling...., all experiences either good or bad are part of the learning curve. And you don't forget them, or shouldn't I should say. What doesn't kill ya makes you stronger.... LOL....
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