Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
JDP Motorsports
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > General Camaro Forums > Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics

Camaro Z/28 Forum - Z/28 Specific Topics Discussions related to the 5th gen Camaro Z/28 model

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-08-2013, 07:15 PM   #13826
*007
 
Drives: Getaway Special
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Globe Trotter - CIU
Posts: 246
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro View Post
...hahaha done that a few times, abit raucous in my approach, but never the less thrilling...., all experiences either good or bad are part of the learning curve. And you don't forget them, or shouldn't I should say. What doesn't kill ya makes you stronger.... LOL....
Yes, done so also. '67 GTO. Big ship I guess. Later up on rack both exhaust pipes were flattened to about half diameter of normal. LOL…. Never forgot that. I knew I had bottomed out, but didn't realize extent of damage until next oil change. Those were the years!
__________________
Sip:
*007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2013, 06:19 AM   #13827
wildpaws

 
wildpaws's Avatar
 
Drives: 1999 Blazer
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,206
Quote:
Originally Posted by *007 View Post
Yes, done so also. '67 GTO. Big ship I guess. Later up on rack both exhaust pipes were flattened to about half diameter of normal. LOL…. Never forgot that. I knew I had bottomed out, but didn't realize extent of damage until next oil change. Those were the years!
One of my favorite cars from back in the day was a friend's '66 GTO with three deuces and 4 speed, loved the tailights on them, performed pretty well too. Lot's of great cars back then.
Clyde
wildpaws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2013, 08:31 PM   #13828
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
LOWDOWN's Avatar
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 3,799
BTW, in my personal Top 3 GM Vehicles on display @ SEMA was this little dandy! Just the thing to tow the Z/28 to the track with...or give a Ford the TREMORS and RAM a Dodge where it needs ramming... Give this an RPO, and add some Part #s for the non-NHTSA bits...please! Oh, and make the Blue graphics Bright Silver to match the required Silver speed-mesh grilles... This concept could make all us father-truckers (and a few moms, too!) forget all about those 20 yr. old 454 SSs! This truck with an LT-1 ROCKS!!
Attached Images
 
__________________

Last edited by LOWDOWN; 11-09-2013 at 08:42 PM.
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2013, 08:33 PM   #13829
ShnOmac


 
ShnOmac's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: PNW
Posts: 13,193
Quote:
Originally Posted by LOWDOWN View Post
BTW, in my personal Top 3 GM Vehicles on display @ SEMA was this little dandy! Just the thing to tow the Z/28 to the track with...or give a Ford the TREMORS and RAM a Dodge where it needs ramming... Give this an RPO, and add some Part #s for the non-NHTSA bits...please!
Good stuff right there!
ShnOmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2013, 08:56 PM   #13830
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
LOWDOWN's Avatar
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 3,799
We tried to get GMC, 10 years ago, to build a Short Box 2WD Sierra with the V-Max 6.0 and 2500 brakes... "No, not an approved combo", came the word. It was a proper-length driveshaft away from being buildable. "We'll order 1,000 to start", we said.

[silence]

Ford Tremor. Dodge's new entry.

How many Z/28 turndowns might consider one of these?!

SIR TRUCKS-ALOT
__________________
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2013, 09:56 PM   #13831
JusticePete
 
JusticePete's Avatar
 
Drives: Camaro Justice
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 14,907
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zfatuated View Post
Not Pete (actually I am, but not that Pete), but the answer is that the bigger the sway bar, the more the suspension setup and/or design is compromised. Proper car setups have stunningly small sways. Big fat sways are compensating for a defect somewhere else in the suspension design, for example low spring rates.

A properly sprung and dampened car can use much smaller and lighter sways. Small(er) sways are yet one more piece of evidence that the Z/28 was properly designed for its mission in life.

Attached graphic is the sway bar (and one of two attachment links) off of an F3 car, it about the length of a long cigar and half the diameter of one in the center section.
Nice theory.

Proper? Proper would be a 1500 pound F1 car. We are talking about street cars. In particular we are talking about a 4,000 pound car track ready with a driver. I don't deal in theory. I deal in data, facts and results. 27mm front bar, 32mm rear bar. 12kg coils front and rear. coiovers, camber plates, 300 pounds of nitrogen pressure with independent bound and rebound in a track ready 3980 pound 5th Gen Camaro delivers the FASTEST ROAD COURSE TIME at the OPTIMA Ultimate Street Car Invitational.

My Camaros were the First to be Fast and have been the fastest since we started back in 2009. There isn't another suspension company or car builder that can say their 5th Gen beat my 5th Gen. Not once. Not in 2009. Not in 2010. Not in 2011. Not in 2012. Not in 2013. There isn't an opinion or theory that can change that. TEAM Camaro built the baddest axx factory hot rod ever in the Z/28. I built the baddest axx street version of the 5th Gen back in 2009. Lingenfelter and I built an even faster version in 2011. It got faster in 2012. It got faster in 2013. We don't have the most power. We have 600 NA RWHP. We beat cars with more than double the RWHP that weight 700 pounds less.

For the record, I think the Z/28 is absolutely and AWESOME factory hot rod. There is a reason thee aftermarket exists. We can do things that by budget or law cannot be done at the factory. Thank you Al O and the entire Camaro TEAM for providing us with a phenomenally capable 5h Gen chassis. We couldn't do what we do without you.
__________________
JusticePete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 07:29 AM   #13832
Zfatuated
 
Drives: BAC Mono
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Reno
Posts: 470
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete View Post
Nice theory.

Proper? Proper would be a 1500 pound F1 car. We are talking about street cars. In particular we are talking about a 4,000 pound car track ready with a driver. I don't deal in theory. I deal in data, facts and results. 27mm front bar, 32mm rear bar. 12kg coils front and rear. coiovers, camber plates, 300 pounds of nitrogen pressure with independent bound and rebound in a track ready 3980 pound 5th Gen Camaro delivers the FASTEST ROAD COURSE TIME at the OPTIMA Ultimate Street Car Invitational.
No offense intended, at all, in my post toward the fine builds you guys do, and the products you produce. No slam was intended towards your business, I think what you do is awesome! By proper and compromised I was talking about a single-seat, rear engine car :-) Anything else is compromised for a road course. As you noted in your post. My apology for not being clear about my thoughts.

However I do stand behind my previous comment: "Small(er) sways are yet one more piece of evidence that the Z/28 was properly designed for its mission in life." (i.e higher spring rates/lowered roll center/better weight distribution/high-quality dampening)
__________________
2014 Z/28, White, "Queued For Production". TPW Apr 28.
"I wasn't asked to make it cheap...I was asked to make it FAST!" Mark Stielow, the new Z/28.

Zfatuated is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 11:29 AM   #13833
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
LOWDOWN's Avatar
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 3,799
The original GM proponent of the "BIG sway bar/'soft' spring" (actually anti-sway bar is more apt...) was one Herb Adams and his very small team. His work on the Pontiac Trans Am, early-'70s, is legendary, culminating in, what was at that time, THE best handling OE F-Car. His VSE enterprise and its FireAm and CheVerra programs, post-GM, were an exclamation point on his understanding of F-Car-based solid axle suspension.

Justice Pete, you and all the folks involved, including LPE, deserve to Popp some spirits (and I'm sure you did!), based on your '13 OUSCI results. Congrats! I wish I could have stayed over for the event. Next year...

Pete, every suspension system has its idiosyncrasies. Big bars, in many cases, do in fact compensate for other compromises, just as the reverse would be true. Solid axle architecture generally calls for a lighter spring DEPENDING ON SURFACE OR MISSION, and to compensate for that (again depending on other variables), a bigger bar allows the softer springs to follow the road surface ("give" if you please) while affording more controlled vehicle motions in the turns (assuming road course is the venue). High-banked ovals take a different set-up, and so forth.

To me, suspension design/engineering is a fascinating area of vehicle dynamics, and an area where "tried-n-tested-n-proven" is the ultimate and only answer...and I believe the Lingenfelter L28 proves this beyond reasonable doubt. After all, it was Justice Pete's "square 305" setup that Team Camaro adopted for the Z/28...
__________________

Last edited by LOWDOWN; 11-10-2013 at 11:43 AM.
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 12:06 PM   #13834
2cnd chance
It Will Be Mine
 
2cnd chance's Avatar
 
Drives: A Z51 or a 2014 1LE?
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Road
Posts: 5,817
Pete, that's a big CONGRATULATIONS!

Will it be televised?
__________________
2cnd chance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 04:30 PM   #13835
tramtwo
top side of the square
 
tramtwo's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 1LE
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: N'Awlinz
Posts: 6,346
Help!! My user name has been snatched!!
__________________
tramtwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2013, 06:07 PM   #13836
tramtwo
top side of the square
 
tramtwo's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 1LE
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: N'Awlinz
Posts: 6,346
Quote:
Originally Posted by tramtwo View Post
Help!! My user name has been snatched!!
OK I'm back.. whew

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk
__________________
tramtwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2013, 11:41 AM   #13837
JusticePete
 
JusticePete's Avatar
 
Drives: Camaro Justice
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 14,907
Lowdown,

You are correct about Herb Adams. One of Herb's Trans Ams was running at the OPTIMA.

2cndChance,

It will be televised.

All,

My frustrations with GM Performance Parts and the C5 community are running high. I think GMPP should be selling packages out of the production parts bin and that bin is deeper than it has ever been. The 1LE. ZL1 and Z/28 suspensions are packages designed for use with related parts. The 1LE bars will work with any square wheel and tire setup. The ZL1 bars will work with any staggered setup. The Z/28 bars will work with the Z/28 aero, springs, dampers and square tire package. Put Z/28 bars on a SS and they are a poor match.

1LE owners are installing staggered wheel and tire setups. Do the new 5th Gen Camaros come with an instruction manual?

We love 12kg coils on our road course cars. 12kg rear coils are a disaster on 500 RWHP drag Camaros.

If you run 315s in the rear buy a 28mm factory bar to run with your stock front bar. You can build a nice Camaro out of the GMPP parts bin, if you give it some thought.

The Z/28 is running OE ZL1 or 1LE sub-frame bushings. Really?



Good thing I can immerse myself in work that I love
__________________
JusticePete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2013, 11:52 AM   #13838
tramtwo
top side of the square
 
tramtwo's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 1LE
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: N'Awlinz
Posts: 6,346
Quote:
The Z/28 is running OE ZL1 or 1LE sub-frame bushings. Really?
They had to leave you room to improve it Pete!!
__________________
tramtwo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2013, 03:10 PM   #13839
2cnd chance
It Will Be Mine
 
2cnd chance's Avatar
 
Drives: A Z51 or a 2014 1LE?
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Road
Posts: 5,817
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete View Post
Lowdown,

You are correct about Herb Adams. One of Herb's Trans Ams was running at the OPTIMA.

2cndChance,

It will be televised.

All,

My frustrations with GM Performance Parts and the C5 community are running high. I think GMPP should be selling packages out of the production parts bin and that bin is deeper than it has ever been. The 1LE. ZL1 and Z/28 suspensions are packages designed for use with related parts. The 1LE bars will work with any square wheel and tire setup. The ZL1 bars will work with any staggered setup. The Z/28 bars will work with the Z/28 aero, springs, dampers and square tire package. Put Z/28 bars on a SS and they are a poor match.

1LE owners are installing staggered wheel and tire setups. Do the new 5th Gen Camaros come with an instruction manual?

We love 12kg coils on our road course cars. 12kg rear coils are a disaster on 500 RWHP drag Camaros.

If you run 315s in the rear buy a 28mm factory bar to run with your stock front bar. You can build a nice Camaro out of the GMPP parts bin, if you give it some thought.

The Z/28 is running OE ZL1 or 1LE sub-frame bushings. Really?



Good thing I can immerse myself in work that I love
Cool! Can't wait to see it.

No doubt you have to have a suspension that's all in sync. Also one that's properly set up for your needs.
__________________
2cnd chance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2013, 07:01 PM   #13840
Number 3
Hail to the King baby!
 
Number 3's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 ATS 2.0T & '13 Audi S4
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 7,795
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete View Post
Lowdown,

You are correct about Herb Adams. One of Herb's Trans Ams was running at the OPTIMA.

2cndChance,

It will be televised.

All,

My frustrations with GM Performance Parts and the C5 community are running high. I think GMPP should be selling packages out of the production parts bin and that bin is deeper than it has ever been. The 1LE. ZL1 and Z/28 suspensions are packages designed for use with related parts. The 1LE bars will work with any square wheel and tire setup. The ZL1 bars will work with any staggered setup. The Z/28 bars will work with the Z/28 aero, springs, dampers and square tire package. Put Z/28 bars on a SS and they are a poor match.

1LE owners are installing staggered wheel and tire setups. Do the new 5th Gen Camaros come with an instruction manual?

We love 12kg coils on our road course cars. 12kg rear coils are a disaster on 500 RWHP drag Camaros.

If you run 315s in the rear buy a 28mm factory bar to run with your stock front bar. You can build a nice Camaro out of the GMPP parts bin, if you give it some thought.

The Z/28 is running OE ZL1 or 1LE sub-frame bushings. Really?



Good thing I can immerse myself in work that I love
GM has been notoriously poor at "aftermarket" management. But one mans ignorance, oversight and stupidity can often times lead to another's success.
__________________
"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley Link to Every Camaro photo I've taken in Hi-Resolution
Number 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2013, 07:57 PM   #13841
JusticePete
 
JusticePete's Avatar
 
Drives: Camaro Justice
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 14,907
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 3 View Post
GM has been notoriously poor at "aftermarket" management. But one mans ignorance, oversight and stupidity can often times lead to another's success.
__________________
JusticePete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2013, 08:50 PM   #13842
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
LOWDOWN's Avatar
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 3,799
Sometimes that knocking sound you hear is NOT a con-rod...sometimes it's a VISA terminal...
__________________
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2013, 09:05 PM   #13843
OldScoolCamaro
ZL1 pilot
 
OldScoolCamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 ZL1, 1973 Z-28
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: In the WAYBAC machine somewhere in Jersey
Posts: 4,861
....Herb Adams is a name that rang a distant bell in my mind.....
__________________
In Scott We Trust...all others must show proof.
OldScoolCamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2013, 02:01 PM   #13844
2cnd chance
It Will Be Mine
 
2cnd chance's Avatar
 
Drives: A Z51 or a 2014 1LE?
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Road
Posts: 5,817
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro View Post
....Herb Adams is a name that rang a distant bell in my mind.....
You mean Mr. WS6!
__________________
2cnd chance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2013, 02:08 PM   #13845
2cnd chance
It Will Be Mine
 
2cnd chance's Avatar
 
Drives: A Z51 or a 2014 1LE?
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: The Road
Posts: 5,817
Been years since I've had a Chicago deep dish pizza...just plain awesome. Fortunately the place is 10 minutes from my house and they deliver!
__________________
2cnd chance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2013, 05:29 PM   #13846
Number 3
Hail to the King baby!
 
Number 3's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 ATS 2.0T & '13 Audi S4
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 7,795
A great weekend back in The D. Saw a Tahoe and Suburban, a C7 Convertible plus a Cadillac ELR. Also on the way back a Kia Cadenza. Very cool lighting in the tail lamps. Nice looking car but too bad it's FWD.
__________________
"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley Link to Every Camaro photo I've taken in Hi-Resolution
Number 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2013, 06:48 PM   #13847
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
LOWDOWN's Avatar
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 3,799
The "hold" for ZL1 and 1LE production through early-February should be a broad hint as to the earliest date Z/28 production "may" commence...
__________________
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2013, 07:54 PM   #13848
OldScoolCamaro
ZL1 pilot
 
OldScoolCamaro's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 ZL1, 1973 Z-28
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: In the WAYBAC machine somewhere in Jersey
Posts: 4,861
^...in my mind I felt there was some connection as well....
__________________
In Scott We Trust...all others must show proof.
OldScoolCamaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013, 10:28 AM   #13849
Scarrzz
No Fear-No Limits- Camaro
 
Scarrzz's Avatar
 
Drives: Suzuki Hayabusa
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Louisiana, CO, GA, TX, etc.
Posts: 1,906
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro View Post
^...in my mind I felt there was some connection as well....

I thought I heard some gears grinding...
__________________
.
__________________________________
................................................The Faithful are Watching.
Scarrzz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2013, 05:25 PM   #13850
LOWDOWN
Downright Upright
 
LOWDOWN's Avatar
 
Drives: Daily
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cruisin'...
Posts: 3,799
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarrzz View Post
I thought I heard some gears grinding...
Scarrzz! Where ya been, Buddy?
__________________
LOWDOWN is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Tags
"number z", 2014 700hp z/28, 3/27/2013, 75k, super de duper z thread, what'z up?, where's our z/28, why no big z?, z/28 spring 2014

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Camaro vs House? P. Ham 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 82 05-20-2011 05:03 PM
House approves $2B more for 'cash for clunkers shank0668 General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 3 07-31-2009 04:36 PM
3rd Annual Corvette Open House at MacMulkin Chevrolet-WELCOMES the ALL NEW CAMARO!! MacMulkin USA - New England 2 04-11-2009 09:16 AM
White House Approves $17.4 Billion Auto Loans to GM & Chrysler josh1147 General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 97 12-29-2008 02:21 PM
White House says auto loans deal not imminent camaro5 General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion 11 12-15-2008 11:44 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.