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Old 11-03-2009, 10:07 PM   #771
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ZR2+Z28=ZR8

if you solved for R....?

ZR2+Z28
R2+28
R+14
R=-14

So (Z(-14)2)+((-14)28)
(Z(-28))+(-392)
Z+(14)
Z=-14

So ((-14)(-14)2)+((-14)(28))
-28+(-392)
-420

Assuming my math is ok the birth of a ZR2 and a Z28 would be a -420

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Chevrolet Leno Camaro SEMA Concept car (with Pedders suspension) unveiled by Jay Leno

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If you have followed our threads, you will know that we are a preferred vendor for GM, and have had the honor of working extensively with GM on the 2010 Camaro and other projects in the past and are working on future ones as well. This is a great honor for Pedders! The engineers we are working with are seriously first class and is a honor to work with them!! The install of this twin turbo is beyond good!. It is flawless and perfect. The guys at Milford are SERIOUSLY beyond perfect!!

GM made a very special Camaro for SEMA for Jay Leno. Guess what suspension system is on the the Queen of the Show? PEDDERS!!!!!! In fact, EVERY GM Camaro that GM made is riding on Pedders!!

Here is the data that was released tonight that we were present at the press introduction:

Powered by a twin-turbocharged version of the 3.6L direct injected V-6 that is standard in Camaro LS and LT models, Leno’s Camaro blends high performance with surprising efficiency in a racing-ready package. A pair of Turbonetics T-3 turbochargers blows through a custom air-to-air intercooler, force-feeding the engine about seven pounds of boost and lifting its horsepower level to about 425. That’s about 40 percent greater than stock and in normal driving (when the turbochargers aren’t making boost), there’s virtually no penalty in fuel economy over the non-turbocharged 3.6L engine.

“Jay’s Camaro offers style, performance and efficiency in a big way,” said Dewar. “It delivers the power of a Camaro SS on demand, but with the fuel economy of a V-6.”

Supporting upgrades for the turbo system include a larger-capacity Be-Kool radiator and a custom exhaust system, as well as a Centerforce-supplied clutch and pressure plate for the six-speed manual transmission. The tubing for the turbo system is powder-coated blue. The powertrain was designed to deliver consistent, controllable power for both the street and race track. In fact, road racing was a primary mission for the car during its development.
Additional vehicle also support its racing intent:
• Brembo six-piston brake package
• Pedders coil-over lowering kit
• New front fascia with custom fog lamps and integral brake cooling vents
• Air extractor-style hood

The exterior styling of Leno’s car is the most radical of all the Camaro concepts at SEMA. The front fascia and hood are one-off creations as are the unique upper and lower grilles and the ground effects package (including a rear diffuser). The heritage-inspired vent styling in front of the rear wheels has been replaced with functional brake cooling ducts.

THIS IS THE Z/28.
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:58 PM   #773
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425 hp isn't enough for the 3.6 L DI v6 with TT. seems too low.
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Old 11-03-2009, 11:59 PM   #774
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THIS IS THE Z/28.
and you are wrong.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:06 AM   #775
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Chevrolet Leno Camaro SEMA Concept car (with Pedders suspension) unveiled by Jay Leno .....................

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Old 11-04-2009, 04:23 AM   #776
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425 hp isn't enough for the 3.6 L DI v6 with TT. seems too low.
Aftermarket probably low. Keep in mind new ford 3.5L is 365 HP. So this is up 60 HP. Plus rule of thumb is 10 HP per pound of boost so 12 pounds of boost would put the Camaro at 424.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:17 AM   #777
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Aftermarket probably low. Keep in mind new ford 3.5L is 365 HP. So this is up 60 HP. Plus rule of thumb is 10 HP per pound of boost so 12 pounds of boost would put the Camaro at 424.

Thats because of the tranny in the 4 wheel drive vehicles. Expect to see more when they hit 2 wheel drives. Also its not really fair to compare what they did with an aftermarket kit compared to a warrantied car off the line that weighs 4400#s with awd.
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Thats because of the tranny in the 4 wheel drive vehicles. Expect to see more when they hit 2 wheel drives. Also its not really fair to compare what they did with an aftermarket kit compared to a warrantied car off the line that weighs 4400#s with awd.
The Ford engine is 365 hp if it's in a bicycle or a tank.

How is this an aftermarket kit? Who makes it?
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The Ford engine is 365 hp if it's in a bicycle or a tank.

How is this an aftermarket kit? Who makes it?
Its going to be more in a rear wheel drive only application. Thats why it matters. Its not the engine stopping them from more hp its the tranny of the awd models the current engine is in.

There is one turbo v6 that just showed at sema. Can you show me where you can buy this through the GM website? I dont consider a it a GM item when no one can buy it.
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Its going to be more in a rear wheel drive only application. Thats why it matters. Its not the engine stopping them from more hp its the tranny of the awd models the current engine is in.

There is one turbo v6 that just showed at sema. Can you show me where you can buy this through the GM website? I dont consider a it a GM item when no one can buy it.
If 365 is manufacturers published numbers, it's at the crank, so the drivetrain it's turning doesn't matter.

Jay Leno bought it.
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Wow... N3 was up early today... I guess a 6AM meeting with the Deutchland Team would do that to you.

Question... back to the House of Z... we have seen a couple of different hood combos... the TF2 BumbleBee hood remenicent of the Baldwin Style hood with the front facing bug catcher, the current hood with a flashback to the ZL2 hood... and now Jay Leno's hood. So for combustion air intake which is the better choice?? The ZL2 is non functional and would take a little work to collect air from the cowl and bring it to the front of the engine (unless you could turn the manifold 180 degrees )... the TF2 hood would force air in but increases drag and probably creates a bunch of dirty air... and then we have the Jay Leno hood. First blush it would appear that we have air going over the top of the openings in the hood and this would create a low pressure point over these openings... would not appear too efficient... but would reduce drag issues? Thoughts? What am I missing? It appears that the air box is sealed to the hood when the hood is closed?? Thoughts?
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This would look so good parked next to a brand new Z/28.....





HELL YEAH! A jacked-up Silverado with an LSA next to my Z28?

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425 hp isn't enough for the 3.6 L DI v6 with TT. seems too low.
How much lighter is that car, really, than an LS3/L99 car? Those turbos and plumbing are going to cost additional weight. The powertrain and chassis will have to be beefed up. And to "only" get about the same power as an LS3? Not even worth it, IMHO. If this is Z28, I'm getting an SS.

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HELL YEAH! A jacked-up Silverado with an LSA next to my Z28?
They have an LSA in that truck?? Must have missed that one. Sweet
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How much lighter is that car, really, than an LS3/L99 car? Those turbos and plumbing are going to cost additional weight. The powertrain and chassis will have to be beefed up. And to "only" get about the same power as an LS3? Not even worth it, IMHO. If this is Z28, I'm getting an SS.

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