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Old 12-06-2009, 09:15 AM   #1633
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Scary sometimes........................well most of the time....................just don't like to admit to it.
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Old 12-06-2009, 11:24 AM   #1634
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And has Shno has not been around much, I think we have to add something to this thread to keep it relevant.

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Yes the convertible will help. In this game like most retail while it's hot gotta keep fanning the flames.
What ever became of GM's interest in a track pack? This would have great press. I can hear it now:

The only thing that allowed the Mustang GT to compete with the Camaro SS was the Camaro's lack of a track pack, but now all that has changed!
Historically we've had FE2, FE3, FE4 suspension options.... Where IS that FE4 option hiding?
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25 degrees

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I'll see what I can do.... Last year we where wearing shorts and T shirts at Christmas.... I'll have to get my Camaro sooner to do a little global warming I guess...
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:02 PM   #1635
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Ok then lets occupy ourselves with this question.

Assuming IF there is to be such a Track Pack or FE4 option what should it include?

So with no Z28 "news", lets focus on the Chassis for a bit.

What do you think?
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:34 PM   #1636
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Ok then lets occupy ourselves with this question.

Assuming IF there is to be such a Track Pack or FE4 option what should it include?

So with no Z28 "news", lets focus on the Chassis for a bit.

What do you think?
Good question.... Let's use the 3rd gen 1LE's as a good example. Faster steering ratio, balanced/adjustable set of sway bars to help reduce/eliminate understeer, re-valved dampers and stiffer springs (a bit shorter if possible), 15" rotors up front and wider tires/wheels all 4 corners... For a start

I don't know if GM would be willing to revise bushings, but according to aftermarket suspension guys the rear cradle moves too much.
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:51 PM   #1637
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This time??? yes you would be the stalker...


Yeah I don't do well below freezing.... I'm from the southwest.... Nice and warm... ok F'n Hot but you get my meaning...
Heh, you and me both! From AZ, and NC isnt all that good on staying warm :p

its low 50s right now... suppose to get to like 31 tonight...
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:17 PM   #1638
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Good question.... Let's use the 3rd gen 1LE's as a good example. Faster steering ratio, balanced/adjustable set of sway bars to help reduce/eliminate understeer, re-valved dampers and stiffer springs (a bit shorter if possible), 15" rotors up front and wider tires/wheels all 4 corners... For a start

I don't know if GM would be willing to revise bushings, but according to aftermarket suspension guys the rear cradle moves too much.
Bushings are not too hard to change. Sometimes it is as simple as a durometer change. In other cases they can need complete redesigns which is a tool modification or change.

Is your thought the brakes need upgrading from the Brembos?

Is a package similar to the Corvette Z51 enough?
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:37 PM   #1639
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Heh, you and me both! From AZ, and NC isnt all that good on staying warm :p

its low 50s right now... suppose to get to like 31 tonight...
NC aint bad. was stuck in iceland before NC. lol. btw congrats on joining the worlds greatest air power.
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:40 PM   #1640
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Bushings are not too hard to change. Sometimes it is as simple as a durometer change. In other cases they can need complete redesigns which is a tool modification or change.

Is your thought the brakes need upgrading from the Brembos?

Is a package similar to the Corvette Z51 enough?
In regard to brakes, I think it would be nice to have the extra performance larger rotors would give, mainly for the guys that like to corner... alot! !Z28!

From what I know about the Z51 option, I think it would definitely be worthy of the FE4 designation.
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Old 12-06-2009, 05:56 PM   #1641
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Bushings are not too hard to change. Sometimes it is as simple as a durometer change. In other cases they can need complete redesigns which is a tool modification or change.

Is your thought the brakes need upgrading from the Brembos?

Is a package similar to the Corvette Z51 enough?
Not sure what is included in the Z51???

Why not turn to Pedders as GM has for the show cars. Subbing it out may prove not only simpler, but more profitable. It seems more & more Manfacturers are doing this.
It gets instant street cred when performance cars have aftermarket brands used as made for manufacturer upgrades.

The same tried and tested Xa coilover system with beefier sways, & some urethane bushes in the right locations all from Pedders.
CTS-V brakes. Special forged wheels 20X9 all around with 295/35/20 tires. Faster/more weighted steering.
Freer flowing intake and exhaust. Basically a GS version of the Camaro! And a BIG plus it's all bolt-ons

If a niche vehicle like the Vette can support a; Base, Base convertible, GS, GS Convertible, Z06, & the ZR1, is it not simple to believe the higher volume of the broader appealing Camaro would produce even better sales volumes by expanding it's marketability?

Have Whitacre give me a call.
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:06 PM   #1642
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If a niche vehicle like the Vette can support a; Base, Base convertible, GS, GS Convertible, Z06, & the ZR1, is it not simple to believe the higher volume of the broader appealing Camaro would produce even better sales volumes by expanding it's marketability?
Only a niche vehicle like Corvette can support so many trims and options. They don't have as much of a price ceiling, nor return-on-investment to worry about. (especially not 5 years into the generation...).

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Not only is that one of the mos accurate things you've ever said. I will do everything in my power so that I never will...

The fact that you can say that makes me jealous....but....I call it "a more well-rounded life experience".....
BUT...even if I move out of state, I won't be going far...you WILL be visiting me in the coming years. Muhahaha, then you'll understand!!!

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Ok then lets occupy ourselves with this question.

Assuming IF there is to be such a Track Pack or FE4 option what should it include?
Lightweight rotors, stiffer, Z06-like (race) suspension, thicker tires, and more aggressive brake pad compounds. Upgrading the calipers, I think would be more show than go. I mean, the car already stops as quickly as a Z06 Vette: 4 pistons on all 4 corners is more than enough....maybe paint them a special color?
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:53 PM   #1643
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Upgrading the calipers, I think would be more show than go. I mean, the car already stops as quickly as a Z06 Vette: 4 pistons on all 4 corners is more than enough....maybe paint them a special color?
The larger calipers would be ideal for track use. I always wondered why they put 14.4's in the back... Always figured there's a set of 15's in a box just waiting for that FE4 upgrade. !Z28!
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I don't think of ,say, magnetic ride in a track pack like setup.

I see stiffer setup... Sway bars, etc maybe a true coilover... and the higher steering rate.

I don't know enough about what suspension components do to really express what I think should be there.

But I certainly want the understeer eliminated. And I want that balanced/stiff feel that breeds the confidence to throw it around if you get my meaning.

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I don't know enough about what suspension components do to really express what I think should be there.
But I certainly want the understeer eliminated. And I want that balanced/stiff feel that breeds the confidence to throw it around if you get my meaning.

The trackpack (if there is one) should make the car feel "tossable".
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The trackpack (if there is one) should make the car feel "tossable".
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:08 AM   #1647
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Well howdy there gang! I should have never believed our uncle when he said he was done bouncing me around the middle east..... I dont like him right now lol. Im back and it looks like I have alot of catching up to do!

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Well howdy there gang! I should have never believed our uncle when he said he was done bouncing me around the middle east..... I dont like him right now lol. Im back and it looks like I have alot of catching up to do!

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Hey smack! Glad you're well. Reminds me of a joke... I'll save it for later

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