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Old 10-22-2009, 01:51 AM   #29
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In the end V8 users pay much more. The only real difference is the vibration that comes from a superior motor. And it only matters to those who know.

Great thread.
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:13 AM   #30
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Because mods's add power By your logic, why mod any car?? It's only a few extra hp
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:44 AM   #31
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Well, I guess unless you're doing forced induction, modding isn't really all about power.

It is nice to add a little extra kick to your car, but mostly just to personalize it.
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:27 AM   #32
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After trying to fully absorb the CAI results thread (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48202) my understanding is that the CAI by itself doesn't do all that much dollars per hp but instead opens the door to fully utilizing other mods down the line (long tubes, hi-flow exhaust, even forced induction). The stock intake will eventually become a restrictor plate once other things are added to the engine's "respiratory system". Now I could be totally off base with this but the CAI seems to be the first logical step in fully exploiting what the engine will eventually be capable of.
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Thanks Kelso, even us noobs can stumble upon some logic once in a while
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:22 AM   #33
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L99 tune 22 HP, 42 Ft.Lb. torque for $200 to $300, is great buy, some have shown tune plus headers adds only 4 HP, will be watching for Vararam results or any other CAI, but will they add over tune, CAI for $400 10HP, 10 torque, tune wins.
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Old 10-22-2009, 11:06 AM   #34
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you can spend a few thousand on suspension and the car handles totally different...and the pest performance mod in my mind is a driving school...but anyway..I dont believe in NOS, turbo's or superchargers...but I do believe in more cubes head work cams etc...im a n/a guy to my core
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:46 PM   #35
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L99 tune 22 HP, 42 Ft.Lb. torque for $200 to $300, is great buy, some have shown tune plus headers adds only 4 HP, will be watching for Vararam results or any other CAI, but will they add over tune, CAI for $400 10HP, 10 torque, tune wins.
Absolutely, but to continue to play devil's advocate:

1)If an added 120 HP from an engine upgrade (V6 to V8) gains only tenths of a second, 20HP gain will do almost nothing. (IE. DON'T BUY THESE THINGS FOR ADDED POWER, because it's trivial)

2)From what I'm really hearing is that unless you plan to add a major modification (which >98% WILL NOT) minor upgrades like CAI and headers are cosmetic mods only.

3) The weigh difference Change in the V6 vs V8 camaro is only 2.8% but the power difference is 28%. If the power to wt ratio idea held up, we should see a BIG performance difference because the weight change is trivial but power increase is huge!
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:49 PM   #36
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I'd say buy your aftermarket stuff to personalize your car and enjoy it! Take Power gains with a grain of salt. Buy the CAI that looks cool to you and the exhaust that sounds good to you and don't worry about the numbers!!!
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:06 PM   #37
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Because it's more than just hp. Vehicle weight and unsprung weight have a huge impact on performance. The SS weighs 3860 lbs, the V6 weighs 3750 lbs. The SS also has big heavy wheels; it takes horsepower to get that weight moving. The V6 has smaller lighter wheels which make it easier to get up to speed. Gearing also plays a part in acceleration.

Power to weight ratio (PWR) is what you really want to look at as opposed to just the horsepower. If you start reducing unsprung weight on the V6 that car is going to start getting fast; it already has a decent amount of power actually.
People with the RS package (which is most people) have the same tires. reguardless for having a v8 or v6
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:23 PM   #38
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Absolutely, but to continue to play devil's advocate:

1)If an added 120 HP from an engine upgrade (V6 to V8) gains only tenths of a second, 20HP gain will do almost nothing. (IE. DON'T BUY THESE THINGS FOR ADDED POWER, because it's trivial)
I'm confused, the quickest stock SS is in the 12s and so far it seems V6s are in the low to mid 14s. That's a lot of tenths.
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:26 PM   #39
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I'm confused, the quickest stock SS is in the 12s and so far it seems V6s are in the low to mid 14s. That's a lot of tenths.
Yeah, the difference between the V6 and V8 is significant.
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I'm with you. I love the z06. I hoping to get one in early spring.
I miss my Z06 . But, gotta send the kids to school.
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Old 10-22-2009, 03:18 PM   #42
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...The Horsepower between the cars above varies more than 120HP and yet the performace of each of these cars varies only by tenths of seconds in a quarter mile and maybe less in a 0-60 run. (WITH OVER A HUNDRED HORSEPOWER IN DIFFERENCE)!!!
drtwo -

This is a great thread you started, but the base premise is somewhat misleading. The data below is an "average" from multiple magazine articles, i.e. Car and Driver, Edmunds, etc.

For example when Car and Driver tested both models here were the numbers:

V-6 0-60 5.9 seconds
1/4 14.5 seconds at 99 mph

V-8 0-60 4.6-4.8 seconds (Auto and Manual Combined
1/4 13.0/13.1 at 111/109 mph (again Auto and Manual Combined)

The variance in the 1/4 mile is not tenths, it is 1.4/1.5 seconds and 10 mph and again in the 0-60 times it is a full second+. That is the 120 hp difference.

Now using software such as Desktop Drag, DragSim here is the difference that some simple bolt ons/good power tune could be worth: (This would be similar to 1Camaro70's post #34 above for $200-$300)

2010 Camaro SS L99 Auto

Stock:
400 hp, 410 lb-ft, 3900 lbs 0-60 5.2, 1/4 mile 13.21 @ 109.6 mph

With Tune and/or simple /CAI-Exhaust Mods:
425 hp, 441 lb-ft, 3900 lbs 0-60 4.9, 1/4 mile 12.91 @ 112.6 mph

These seem to line up pretty well with the "average" times being posted on the site. Overall increase: HP +25, TQ +31; 1/4 mile 3 tenths and 3 mph.

No argument, just some numbers for everyone to think about. There is an appreciable difference in performance with simple bolt-ons. In the end, it's what each enthusiast wants to do to make it "their" Camaro.

P.S. drtwo, I am envious. You have both a Camaro AND a VRod !!
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