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Old 01-11-2007, 11:11 PM   #26
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I didn't have time to read thru all the thread, but let me say this:

The Camaro will NOT be out in 2007.

Period.

The new Camaro is based on a clean sheet of paper. The Challenger, on the other hand, is based on the Chrysler 300.

When you use an existing architecture, you can reduce the time it takes to bring a car to market.

Keep in mind that we only approved the new Camaro in August of 2006. We will start building new Camaros in the 4th quarter of 2008. That's 25 months.

Not bad for an all-new world class architecture.

Even if a miracle happened and we could get it engineered and tooled, we don't have a plant for it until late summer of 2008.

So........don't listen to what you hear from some people. There are many people out there making claims.....but when you investigate, you hear something along the lines of:

"......well, my uncle's neighbor's sister's son's best friend's brother sells coffee filters to the GM Tech Center and HE KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING AT GM!!!"
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:44 PM   #27
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I didn't have time to read thru all the thread, but let me say this:

The Camaro will NOT be out in 2007.
Period.
The new Camaro is based on a clean sheet of paper. The Challenger, on the other hand, is based on the Chrysler 300.
When you use an existing architecture, you can reduce the time it takes to bring a car to market.
Keep in mind that we only approved the new Camaro in August of 2006. We will start building new Camaros in the 4th quarter of 2008. That's 25 months.
Not bad for an all-new world class architecture.
Even if a miracle happened and we could get it engineered and tooled, we don't have a plant for it until late summer of 2008.
So........don't listen to what you hear from some people. There are many people out there making claims.....but when you investigate, you hear something along the lines of:

"......well, my uncle's neighbor's sister's son's best friend's brother sells coffee filters to the GM Tech Center and HE KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING AT GM!!!"
Thank you very much, Scott.

While it might take 2 years to have the concept roll off the line as a production vehicle, it will be worth the wait. This just gives us all the more time to put the pennies away in the bank and save up for the big daddy of them all!
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Old 01-12-2007, 02:26 AM   #28
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I didn't have time to read thru all the thread, but let me say this:

The Camaro will NOT be out in 2007.

Period.

The new Camaro is based on a clean sheet of paper. The Challenger, on the other hand, is based on the Chrysler 300.

When you use an existing architecture, you can reduce the time it takes to bring a car to market.

Keep in mind that we only approved the new Camaro in August of 2006. We will start building new Camaros in the 4th quarter of 2008. That's 25 months.

Not bad for an all-new world class architecture.

Even if a miracle happened and we could get it engineered and tooled, we don't have a plant for it until late summer of 2008.

So........don't listen to what you hear from some people. There are many people out there making claims.....but when you investigate, you hear something along the lines of:

"......well, my uncle's neighbor's sister's son's best friend's brother sells coffee filters to the GM Tech Center and HE KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING AT GM!!!"
He has spoken, sacrifice the virgin…

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Old 01-12-2007, 05:29 AM   #29
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Old 01-12-2007, 07:45 AM   #30
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The Camaro will NOT be out in 2007.

Period.

Even if a miracle happened and we could get it engineered and tooled, we don't have a plant for it until late summer of 2008.

Finally some trustworthy information. Thank you. I'm tired of all the rumors...I just want the car to be awesome no matter what year it comes out. It's actually better for me anyway...I'll have time to save for a sweet one.
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Old 01-12-2007, 08:24 AM   #31
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I didn't have time to read thru all the thread, but let me say this:

The Camaro will NOT be out in 2007.

Period.

The new Camaro is based on a clean sheet of paper. The Challenger, on the other hand, is based on the Chrysler 300.

When you use an existing architecture, you can reduce the time it takes to bring a car to market.

Keep in mind that we only approved the new Camaro in August of 2006. We will start building new Camaros in the 4th quarter of 2008. That's 25 months.

Not bad for an all-new world class architecture.

Even if a miracle happened and we could get it engineered and tooled, we don't have a plant for it until late summer of 2008.

So........don't listen to what you hear from some people. There are many people out there making claims.....but when you investigate, you hear something along the lines of:

"......well, my uncle's neighbor's sister's son's best friend's brother sells coffee filters to the GM Tech Center and HE KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING AT GM!!!"
If indeed it is being released on this timeline, people are going to get tired of waiting for this car and will end up buying Mustangs and Challengers instead, and it will be GMs loss if they don't get it out the door sooner. Alot of your potential customers who are desparate for this car won't be able to wait too much longer. Alot of the 4th generation F-body owners are in need of a new car and won't or can't wait too much longer, as their cars are getting older. And the Challenger and Mustang provide very attractive alternatives. GM will be playing a major game of catch up (that they won't win) as Diamler Chrysler and Ford will have firmly grabbed the muscle car market by 2009. The Camaro will finish a distant third. Dumb strategy, period!
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Old 01-12-2007, 08:26 AM   #32
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Thanks to Scott for setting the record straight.
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Old 01-12-2007, 08:49 AM   #33
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I am totally cool with it coming out in '08. I just want to see a freakin production or close-to-production version soon. Although I know that will not happen until this time next year as they unveil it at the '08 NAIAS.
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I am totally cool with it coming out in '08. I just want to see a freakin production or close-to-production version soon. Although I know that will not happen until this time next year as they unveil it at the '08 NAIAS.
Me too. I sure hope the Fbodfather was merely towing the company line by insisting on an the '09 release. For this car to be profitable and get off to a good start, they have to get it out by '08. Everyone knows the die hard chevy guys will buy it no matter what. The key to the car's success is to attract buyers beyond the die hard Fbody community (ricers, fairweather Mustang fans, etc.). If not, it'll face the same problems as the 4th gen.
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Old 01-12-2007, 10:31 AM   #35
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Guys, I wish it would come out sooner as well. I, for one, will have no problem with waiting for it to come out in 09. It actually fits my "planned schedule" better. It won't loose it's luster for me. Sure, Ford will be getting the most business right now. If Dodge gets their Challenger out, it will sell quite a lot as well. But, you have to look at it this way......The majority of people already have a favorite in their heads and are already set on what they are going to buy. They won't go ahead and buy another manufacturers car because they have to wait another year for their original choice vehicle to be released. It will happen for some, but not the majority.

Yes, GM needs to speed it up. But, would you rather have GM in the boat it's in now, or have no Concept Camaro at all? I would rather have it take 2 years. Why? Because I know it will be the best damn musclecar short of the Corvette. That's why!
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Old 01-12-2007, 10:55 AM   #36
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Guys, I wish it would come out sooner as well. I, for one, will have no problem with waiting for it to come out in 09. It actually fits my "planned schedule" better. It won't loose it's luster for me. Sure, Ford will be getting the most business right now. If Dodge gets their Challenger out, it will sell quite a lot as well. But, you have to look at it this way......The majority of people already have a favorite in their heads and are already set on what they are going to buy. They won't go ahead and buy another manufacturers car because they have to wait another year for their original choice vehicle to be released. It will happen for some, but not the majority.

Yes, GM needs to speed it up. But, would you rather have GM in the boat it's in now, or have no Concept Camaro at all? I would rather have it take 2 years. Why? Because I know it will be the best damn musclecar short of the Corvette. That's why!

You're right about them waiting two years to get the car right. That's true. If they want this iteration of the Camaro to be more successful than the last, one of the things it has to be is significantly better in build quality than the competition. That's for sure. But Bob Lutz has said himself that in order for the business case for this car to be successful, they have to sell between 100,000 to 150,000 of these cars a year. If they don't firmly capture the market before the competition, they won't sell between 100,000-150,000 Camaros a year. This isn't 1969 anymore. The car market has shifted alot with alot of different imports and luxury performance sedans for people to consider as alternatives. Muscle cars are a much smaller specialty market. In order sell this number of cars, you have to grab the market share before the competition does. If they don't get it out by '08, they run a high risk of the car facing the same demise as the 4th generation F-body, and none of us want that to happen here.
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you know what sucks!!!! i saw a picture of a concept mustang - and wholy f*ckin sh*t does it look like the camaro.....

what the hell's up with that?!?

i'll scan it and post it here later 4 u 2 c
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Old 01-12-2007, 01:56 PM   #38
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you know what sucks!!!! i saw a picture of a concept mustang - and wholy f*ckin sh*t does it look like the camaro.....

what the hell's up with that?!?

i'll scan it and post it here later 4 u 2 c
You mean the one on this thread
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nope!

this one (borrowed from popular mechanics)

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Ah, that's the Giugiaro mustang concept - http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344
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all i can say (about that mustang concept) is:

WOW!
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That thing looks like @ss. Let's try to keep that in that Mustang thread.>THX
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lmao. ok I just got off the phone with my dad. he's getting the same story from the dealers in east tn. the camaro i coming out at the end of this year. but the dealer here in fayettenam thinks that it will be out in 08 at the earliest like me. so who knows what's really going on. only the people involved with the actual project know.
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